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Got hyped by the name, sad the design is generic

The Qu'Tan is an awful mob and your map seems really good

not lore accurate

decline

peak name generic design

relentless 2

why 300 stoppers

relentess less 2 was already made in 2018/19 and has never been posted

A better question is why stoppers exist. They don't look like they're needed for parts like that.

I think you did the part wrong xd

https://ddnet.org/testlogs/show/relentless_2

oh shit, already forgot about that xd. thougth we didnt post it, because jao told us its bad

no we're feedback resistent 💪 time to repost 🔥

agree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FcCu0TNjbE

this seems more like an insane map then a brutal

I don’t see this being lower rated than 3* insane as well

Changed server type because there’s just no way

Minecraft sound

hm i checked the video and say:

• map sometimes tight with out reasonings.
• some times u dont know about dj u need use or not.
• i dont liked first solo(screen)
• i dont like where u take jump just for a second. (screen)
• too much hammerwalls with no reason.
• ending with kills also dont like
• forcing spec for finish also dont like
• I don't like the one-tile-wide structures either, as they look outdated to me. ||This is a tip for further maps||

but i liked map. short and challenging that what i like. Not to much hh and boring stuff.

credit to chinos for finding skip

works wo plat, but with jump, imo better flow

Ratablaster

Fixed some design stuff, didn't fix the skip because I think is harder than real way, changed the last part for better flow, same as in clip.

Here you can take dj

Remaked one part (b4 solo) and the solo (by hurricane). Fixed the stuff mentioned above btw I think it's very disrespectful that you guys put the map in $waiting without a single real test/feedback by a tester. the map got moved to Insane without even played it, u can't judge only bc the video imo... moved to Insane means that it will take more long for be tested...

the solo is completely out of place, setup spam on a map without setups doesn't seem good to me, solo itself is rather awkward and precise it doesn't suit the map at all

This part is very easy to skip

maybe add unfreeze?

besides that, some moments are random/extremely unobvious

little skip

1 side ht marked as regular

i'm totally not a fan of this 1 tile kill way, it might be inconsistent (death of a lag spike or something), also using spec is very lame, i highly recommend to remove spec at all, it's rather not needed imo, i really like the map, another masterpiece from colo

you might want to teamforce the map since it's all duo play and in t0 people will skip and stuff but the map doesn't really seem playable in t0 so it's not that crucial

i also really didn't feel like this map deserves insane difficulty it's short and pretty fair mostly

The map is good, but it's really short. Maybe it's not Insane but brutal 4–5 stars If it was longer, it would deserve Insane, but maybe I'm wrong

remove refill jump it's not needed

Fixed the skips, added the unfreeze, removed the solo and back to the old one, and removed the refill jump. I wont make it 2p force, I like to ppl can play and skip it in t0 if they want, its super unplayable in t0 tho so its fine for me. And about rating, I submit it as a Brutal and I keep my idea, its max Brutal 5* since its short map.

1 side ht marking looks very bad, and honestly is it even matter making it 1 side? suggestions for better look (made with quads (apparently according to rules quads can't be used to identify gameplay tiles))

missing killtile

corners between freeze and wall which is unseen on the rest of map

another corners outside of map

part is brokenn

i suppose corners are missed intentionally but still

i once again advice to get rid of spec on the map since it's not needed at all. suggestion for last part

Fixed everything and deleted last part for better.

COLORS UPGRADE

can take dj

suggestion for both tower skip and hammer skip

another free tower skip in 3+

Is this not (supposed to be) 2p-forced?

I don't have an issue with allowing t0 and mapper wants it, there are just these 2 tiny skips (I forwarded messages to him) and some parts would be wonky with more players

2 more things we have found, red - unmarked freeze, yellow - kill tile to force rehook on the right

hooking on the left makes you bonk into unhook

(also sent it to the mapper)

quick corner check beige marks are only the two instances of this type of unfreeze on the entire map

changed it to 1* since it got significantly nerfed

pls no

dont make this another control incident

or hostile 3

someone else can rate it higher, I don't really mind, to me it's somewhere between 1* and 2*

not higher than ins 1* imo as well

I quickly looked at the map, and i think it's definitely above 1 star, at least 3 for me. If it being t0 affected the difficulty, then I don't think this map will be played in teams of more than two people, much like Catharsis and Hostile 3. The map has a lot of failing, tight timings, and if you compare it, for example, to Control, which is also 1 star (although many players disagree with this), then this map is a couple of heads higher in difficulty. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't want another underrated map, like we've seen many times.

^ I agree

hmmm i guess we can go slightly above 1 star... The map is very faily yea, but still all the moves are pretty simple compared to other insane maps. Theres nothing complex about performing each part, just that its faily like on many other maps. I can agree on 2 stars but 3 stars does seem way too much to me for these types of parts. In comparison to insane maps with much more complex parts, a 3 star rating isnt justified for me. hostile 3 - 2 firestone - 2 new gen 2 - 3*

I think 3* would be too much as well

Change the stars in https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/392853737099624449 to 2

Is the logo made with AI?

thx

changed this kill to freeze, apparently kill jumps don't always work, I've been granted permission from Col-oCo-lo el loco kenzito banito

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random fail fix

why does the twmap thing show as a shell command? is there a CLI or API?

looking for this? https://gitlab.com/ddnet-rs/twmap-py

otherwise ask patiga ig

that works ^^

thx

cli, https://gitlab.com/ddnet-rs/twmap/-/blob/7e5e62097ea5ff031c683816c4278554589fe10a/twmap-tools/src/bin/twmap-edit.rs

cant find a way to use this for optimizing mapres. i managed to find the way to remove unused elements tho.

do i need to extract group and layer by layer? or how

if you just to use the optimzation, I recommend the cli I linked

the optimization thing isn't in the python bindings currently, apparenly

hmm. ill launch the cli from a subprocess then. thanks :)

Thx, declining right now.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/664768224373506060.gif?v=1

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map is not up

The map was released under the name "Qu'Tan" which doesn't match the submission name.

was that a typo or something?

requested by colo colo, i'm assuming the bot doesn't take << ' >> into account?

It was never changed in the first place. It's a legal character too.

ah no he said its about file submission

he said he can't submit a file with '

so the process is to submit wrong filename but rename manually on the channel?

Pretty sure I fixed that a long time ago

I guess we just forgot to rename the channel after the fix.

The channel topic contains the actual map name and is used as the source of truth when checking

and marking channels as released.

oh nice you found the issue