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i wanted to ask you if you were the real evoli from years ago, but this is clearly an evoli map lol
yeah... it was a long time for that. I Tried my best
real evoli ?
yeah ik
they caused so much pain and suffering to me and all my friends when we were just starting out
the maps itself from old are indeed not some starter player could handling it... but i also was the only one who uses the assets that way... so lets say only suffering one "time"
This time the mapper is alot Player friendly and not stupidity faily. I hope it fulfills the tasks for DDNet, but I'm not quite sure. Anyway, feel free to test it.
If you need any adjustments or have any specific preferences, let me know! and have a nice day
clearly old style, entities are badly use when it's not needed
it's not the style the current ddnet search
$decline
This command was not found.
is this the intended solution ?
Your map submission has been declined.
and this is how every novice ends up looking the same
imo the special tiles are done in a fun and actually pretty nice way
yeah the way out there is intended
its a bit difficult when using dummy
so the style is so old, that means its already a decline for ddnet? also im not sure what u mean with "entities are badly uses, whent its not needed"
most novice today are simple and straight forward
and rarely have special entities
so that kind of simple?
yup
the design, gameplay, structure, part themself have an old style, and ddnet have evolve, but it's well done, part work well and the switch part are not broken, but can be more develope. for entities, i understand that you want the switch for particular part, but most of the time it's too much with it's not needed, and same for stoppers also it's mapped for novice and also not rly adapted for them with all those switch
there are more complicated ones that require more brain like easyright
but again, barely any specials
adapted for them with all those switch agree, but for example tele 12 is surprisingly fun with those draggers
i dont think it should be a straight up decline, maybe remove a few too confusing and/or hard parts ?
Well. The Theme itself is for Switched, and a Puller itself. Also can you show me some parts for example what is to much for stoppers or switches? So write it down for my next map. Or try to improve this one.
bad decline, this if finally a novice map / low mod that isnt just hookthroughs everywhere. i like the gimmicky feeling of the pullers instead of these stupid gimmicks we have nowadays
playing trough the map more
def a moderate
novice arent able to do half of this
i think the testers as a whole should vote on this instead of only 1 tester declining it
100% novice aint doing this
around 70% trough, heres my thoughts so far
entire map feels like a low moderate if every part was nerfed for novice, either take away the nerfs or make it proper novice
teleports should be more informative, for example i have no idea where the one below me goes, add arrows maybe ?
dont use special shields when youve only got a single weapon, use normal shields
novice maps dont have noobfilters anymore, but its an amazing solo part, could be repurposed
spawnpoints on the ground is better for speedrunning
i found the 0 delay switches on this part to be awkward, add a 1-2 sec delay to the bottom one ?
just fyi there are votes for declines on some maps before a decline when a tester thinks that the decline is obvious, they wont wait for a vote on it (would be alot of time effort to vote on every decline)
parts without any special tiles are indeed quite outdated and a little bit boring
thx for letting me know the issues... i will definelty try to improve them.
you dont have to mark it as checkpoint teles
no reason to take away the player's freedom like that, only makes it more awkward to catch, especially with lots of players
as stated before, way too hard for novice, and the special tiles dont really help that much
do you also think this is an obvious decline then?
every novice ive seen has ignored all teleports (tele 13) that take you back when you can freely walk back
you mean the help itself is useless... cuz they dont run into it? hmm...
nah
when they fail they will just take the long way back
and not notice the tele/ignore the tele on purpose
imo sth like this would be better, since speedrunners will reset their run anyway on fail
in spots like this its awkward to get the tee into the corner, giving more space is an ez fix
you should place 2 of each tele for large groups of players
dont put them sideways xd
so if i would fix all the problems you mentioned and try to reworkd it... may the map still have a chance or ist totally rejected?
i feel like this dragger pulls the tee back too much, hard catch
idk, i dont have the tester role
i personally find the switches and stuff really fun, but the testers dont really like them
maybe better if you redid it in a modern style ?
im not really good in designing stuff so thats where my limits stuff are. but trying to map something in this style.....
its like anthony said, most maps have hooktroughs everywhere nowadays
it gets a little boring but theres a reason for it
for me its not a problem to improve alle the bug fixed i happy do this ....
to say it simple i should use hookthroughs instead of switchs/draggers....
guess i need to redo a map than... welp guess i try it than.
imo you should make a generic novice map without any switches, just to get a feel for it
then make one combining the modern style with the fun switch gimmicks
and the visuals are "classic evoli" style, but imo it looks bad compared to maps like mint and eventide
try adding only grass_main and generic_unhookables, and experimenting with those
that sounds like an difficult task to me. it basically says this " throw up your old knowledge and try to create something better" Welp... i can see what i can try to create. thx for the advises thought.
for example, i made this menu screen map for myself using the tilesets i mentioned
i think you can agree too that it looks much better than this
throw up your old knowledge and try to create something better pretty much xd, novice today are designed to teach the player how to play, moderates and brutals offer much more freedom
i have to say yes it looks better. but for me it would be to much design. maybe its my skill issue but i like it simple. i will see if can find my syle with a modern one.
nah, its easy
just time consuming
i placed random grass tiles, overlapped some unhooks, used hooktrough where normal unhook didnt look as good, and then added random objects everywhere
i think this map would require alot of work to get into a releaseable state
the map itself is not the problem to rework. it wouldt for me take less fixed to make is playable. but the problem know, that i map an outdatet version of my mapping skills back 10 years ago, which is for now no anymore needet. That said finding a new Mapping style to match for the new DDrace is for me pretty difficult task.... To say it in less words. For Now the Map is Impossible to get reworked, its better to start a new one.
even though my map is to old for the "new" ddnet im still pretty happy about. that some people like it. ^^
take your time, dont rush
you can still rework your map after a decline and send it again, technically it would be possible to rework this map, but it would take alot of effort, in testing it would take the time from the testers, but anybody who thinks they can make this map releaseable can help Evoli to work on it
the entire map is old style parts with fun gimmicks and outdated design, it would be such a big rework that its better to make a new map and copy over some ideas from this one
can this be considered an oldschool map
i dont think so
whats the requirement for being an oldschool map
even with a reworked design, the parts are to outdated. it no way to make a sunken ship great again
the best way is a new map
initial "release" before ddnet started ig 😅
also i would feel a bit old to release "new" map seeing ending up in oldschool
i think you should try to implement the gimmick u have in this map into a new one 🤙
if youre still down to map after all these years
hmm i can try... but it will take some time. i think i just stick with ddnet_walls and see what i can cook.
hmm i think with this kind of set up im able to create a map. i think someday there will be something.... thx to you guys for helping me
Don't feel discouraged, your maps and your way of mapping are quite unique and definitely still appreciated by many people! I just played the first part and immediately recognized the style again. So good luck with your next mapping attempts, I'm sure you'll be able to leverage your mapping skills to the new meta somehow <33
real index is back too? what a week!
It feels for me really couraged enough to hear it from good old Friend. Also i Appreciate you enjoed the map 🤎 It will be hard but i try to evolve myself!
||(This if funny because "Evoli" is the german name for "Eevee")||
if you want we can go through the map and i give you more detailled feedback about the parts
good map
It sounds like my map still has a chance to get released. Anyway, I don't mind hearing some feedback about the map itself and the parts
i would rather suggest to make a new map and maybe keep some ideas 😅
thats the part where i need to ask a question.
From Cammodude and Vena i got some Advises to improve the Map. Would you mind to give me some hint, which Ideas in this Map are rather Ok to map in the next map and which Parts are simply outdated ?
on this map it's not that easy i can, as i offered, go through the map and explain my opinion, but there are many strong opinions against stoppers/pullers etc. i suggest to make a new map, because imo some parts don't work with the spacing you chose and it would be easier to replace the parts with more space
sure i can always hear some hints and tips to improve it.