https://ddnet.tw/testmaps/?map=Ton_2

missing corner and entities problem :

idk what is that xd

skip here

u can ez get out of the map but im missing a part to get in the map. fix pls

basic_freeze and generic_clear need to be embedded

idk what is that xd

that’s a little message to my very best friend in the game. (He is aware of the sign)

fixed everything you noticed

fixed everything

i only watched out for design issues i will test gameplay later. This is what i found:

if your holding strict to your design style you would have to delete this

and here are some missing style corners

fixed

An amazing map which will make much fun in big team 0 groups or for good 4p teams and maybe some 2p teams. Its hard and faily but contains Creative parts. Its a good Sequel of Ton. Hope to see it released. For the rating id say 2 Insane but its very faily in the FunCat gores for example, maybe its also worth 3

prevent tower

part is really hard so maybe remove kill to and add kill where u could do tower

would appreciate a winner room or something where ure not freeze after finish o:

I dont rly like the design, doesnt look good imo.

at start of map u can cheat urself outside of map with skipping trough kill. So add kill or blocks there to prevent cheat times

same here

there are plenty of bugs like this in whole map. look at everything for urself and fix the missing freeze tiles

its not rly safeable here. maybe remove the high freezes (except the one where u could tower)

not really important but u could skip here with a hand full of tees

no need to change the finish room

Ton 1 has exactly the same finish. And the bigger skip is wanted

this is Ton style

twoer possible t0

wtf

No mapper gives a fuck of more than 3 tee Towers in a team 0 map

add /spec to map

this part gay and faily aids, maybe move RED more down or make mor space in BLUE

no need for hook + swing cause u can dj there and then hh left, think its easier than the 1 try for the person who hooks to get under the block on right side.

this part gay and faily aids, maybe move RED more down or make mor space in BLUE

Did u do the part with hammerhit or like it is supposed to do? xD

like its supposed to

I did it first try with Darkoort

I did it 5. try, but I just give advice its his choice if he changes something

died here a lot in this kill, in t0 a lot of ppl will rip here with kill

Map was nice to play, t0 very popular so a lot of ppl will play this, only the things i posted with the screenshot were annoying. Its not really long so like insane 1, maybe even brutal 5?

died here a lot in this kill, in t0 a lot of ppl will rip here with kill

The only way you die here is when u miss ur hook while another tee jump in

But I can remove kills, leave only 1 for tower

its not rly safeable here. maybe remove the high freezes (except the one where u could tower)

I also can thin out some of high freezes but it's pretty saveable currently if u start hh successfully

would appreciate a winner room or something where ure not freeze after finish o:

Also i'd prefer to not change my finish, as i have the same one on Ton.

Just advices from my point of view, what u do with it its your choice o:

at start of map u can cheat urself outside of map with skipping trough kill. So add kill or blocks there to prevent cheat times

could you pls point where exactly you can OoB at the start of the map

bcs I honestly think it's impossible i might be wrong

u tower, 10 tees go in spec, they unspec, u go on them, all hold hammer, u hammer them, u will get so much speed that u get trough kill at top

But

/spec doesnt work

on the map

yeah but u should turn it on anyways

I dont get you, u asked to add /spec, to make that skip skipable?

bcs it doesnt work without it

This has nothing to do with enable spec, i testet with other ppl + tester

They said u should add spec too

for what

So theres the cheat then u have to prevent

yeah sure i can

I could just make the ways to get back to the map nearly impossible

instead of putting kills everywhere

no need for hook + swing cause u can dj there and then hh left, think its easier than the 1 try for the person who hooks to get under the block on right side.

that's rly useful notice, thanks

btw how to add /spec on the map? ive never done it

I dont know but Ive been told in map settings sv_pauseable 1, but dunno how to get in these settings maybe u can ask someone else or try to find out

do u have a time rn? could u join the server real qucik

trashmap.ddnet.tw:8612

3322 pw

oh! btw since /r is able for practice on ddnet, more of those parts are ez after few tries. Just saying

this part gay and faily aids, maybe move RED more down or make mor space in BLUE

for example this one

/r is ofc only active for testing the map on normal server, u wont get a rank with it xD so it doesnt matter for gameplay.

u find server settings in right down corner in the editor. Write sv_pauseable 1 and press Add.

I dont get you, u asked to add /spec, to make that skip skipable?

lmaooo

thx mate. About /r i mean you could practice any part u need, b4 actual race

less bores plz

also i cant rly see finish

also gores needs some places where players can stand / spec

imo

a lot of it is gores, try integrating ddrace into gores parts

also i cant rly see finish

wym

like its hard to see in design

it's literally the same finish as in ton1 i wont change finish, nothing wrong with it

fixed

it's been 2 month .. jesus

Damn this map best

This map is ready...

f3f3

FunCat Ehrenmann

the mapper contacted me in the middle of the night and told me this map is supposedly ready to ship, did he message you yet?

yes#

ah ok

You should change the design like this

Those were the last two things I saw that were problematic

dude

u didnt even find that

It was me to figure it out

did u post it

It doesnt even give really an advantage. There are 2 parts to get in the map again, one is 3 parts behind and one near to the end where you only have one try and need to be rescued from inside. So its more and easter egg than a bug

update

$ready 1

do we really want to relese it?

it has a lot of annoying parts and a lot of this boring waiting 0 skill parts:

and 80% of the time you hammerfly or hamemrhit

whole map felt very boring and repetitive to me

I was doing all the time the same

also long 'gores' part at the end where you don't see what's under you and where to go and if there is a hook

dude lady Saavik

u released shitty trash tons of ddmax crap

And calling this masterpiece boring

There are a lot players here who are waiting for that map because they really want to play it

You called her a "dude"? Or is it normal to use it like this?

yes

sexism

like on every maps discord channel everyone has a different opinion about a map and everytime u gonna discuss the same things over and over. o:

thanks for testing gameplay, since others seem too fixated on finding corner/entity bugs

np I do what i can after studying

let's listen to what t0 players want

я бы закрыл киллы, слишком большой пунишмент если не сделал, парт легко фейлится, куча народа в т0 будет умирать тут

good map

and 80% of the time you hammerfly or hamemrhit

this is how t0 maps look like 🙀

ты похоже не так делаешь его, даже с вик хуком не уронишь в килы. Его изи можно сделать 10 раз из 10

it's very annoying, not gonna lie

impossible part

why is the map open?

allowing full map skip

$reset

impossible part

it is possible

it's fucking annoying, not gonna lie

be more constructive jesus, no one asked you if you like the map

everything else is fixed

it's fucking annoying, not gonna lie

there a lot of towers u can make by falling at wall for waiting others, this is common thing for t0 if that was the problem

be more constructive jesus, no one asked you if you like the map

and I didn't answer the question + the explanation is on the screenshot, isn't it constructive enough instead of just telling you to fix it without any reason?

I was constructive about whole map before and could not give a fuck about this map, but as you can see now I accepted the fact that people want this map

last thing: everyone is kinda asked to write here if they liked the map, especially testers

there a lot of towers u can make by falling at wall for waiting others, this is common thing for t0 if that was the problem

I would rather say every map has safe spots to wait for the rest / spec next parts

almost whole map is just hookhammer, such waiting spots is totally fine for this map

especially insane server

finish not rewarding at all is sad Sure, you can make a map where you don't touch the ground, it would be possible to play it, but why being mean to players

let's make 1-tile finish on maps, it's reachable so what's the problem?

making tower from 2 tees by wall is so hard to reach? ur example is bad

its insane map

and i was talking about waiting spots in general on that part, i would also make some space to stay at finish but i dont think its necessary

and I didn't answer the question + the explanation is on the screenshot, isn't it constructive enough instead of just telling you to fix it without any reason?

I was constructive about whole map before and could not give a fuck about this map, but as you can see now I accepted the fact that people want this map

last thing: everyone is kinda asked to write here if they liked the map, especially testers

you are the only person here swearing and complaining about t0 map, we are all aware of your thoughts about t0 map, stop saying how annoying it is, everytime you ask to fix something.

finish not rewarding at all is sad

Sure, you can make a map where you don't touch the ground, it would be possible to play it, but why being mean to players

let's make 1-tile finish on maps, it's reachable so what's the problem?

you can make anything you want, so does anyone. It's free world of your imagination. But when you try to cross everything into your own tastes it's sorta not cool

ddnet already has large of numbers of trash/annoying/bugged maps in my opinion. They were released in different years, and no one is going to delete/remove/replace them - which is obv cool, bcs it is a unique creation

In my map i just tried to make minimalism design and game tails. Remove all bugs and annoying parts. For me annoying parts means something separate I suposse

ofc guys u mods/admins decide what will be released

but dont forget many ppl have their own tastes and points of view

did you forget? stop attacking me

im not @ing you anymore

just discuss

if you personally dont like me by some reason - your right

wtf I don't know you

but dont mix it with my map

aight

????? I don't

u prob just forgot

I'm talking only about the map, even about only one part, idc who mapped it

we have argued on Procodex servers years ago

alright

I got you, you find t0 or this gores part annoying

but it's not bugged and well made. I tried to place safe spots

but it's edges

no, you don't get it

I give you suggestions and explain them

i fixed finish

do what u want with it

i fixed all u ask

and answering previous things:

except the part you called impossible which is passed 10 times in a row by 2oo

you are the only person here swearing and complaining about t0 map, we are all aware of your thoughts about t0 map, stop saying how annoying it is, everytime you ask to fix something.

I like t0 maps, and I report issues just like everywhere else, without extra repeating and reminding it's annoying I never declined t0 boring in my opinion maps just because I didn't like them because I know exactly ppl often don't agree with me

you literally said 3 times how boring the map is and how annoying it is

I got it at the 1st time

you can make anything you want, so does anyone. It's free world of your imagination. But when you try to cross everything into your own tastes it's sorta not cool

doesn't look like I can share my opinion on things to change .-. I just try to make parts player friendly, you can always ignore my suggestions or ask someone else

I fixed literally everything that ppl asked me here, even I wasn't agree with it

Im loyal and I accept others points of view

jsut want it to be released already

4 years after the 1st ton

ddnet already has large of numbers of trash/annoying/bugged maps in my opinion. They were released in different years, and no one is going to delete/remove/replace them - which is obv cool, bcs it is a unique creation

old maps are bad because I couldn't test properly

but dont forget many ppl have their own tastes and points of view

so why is my taste wrong

I didnt say it's wrong, it's ur taste

there're maps which are not in oldschool

having bugs/skips

just saying

except the part you called impossible which is passed 10 times in a row by 2oo

oh nice that 1 player can do it, when I played it with a friend we gave up, asked another 2p to do it and they gave up too = impossible part from my experience

2oo is top50 or 100 player with 10+ yrs exp, he did it, and admit it's 100% playable.

I don't know why u didnt passed it even once

that's actually very bad what you say

that you need to be top50 to pass this part

when average players struggled hard with it

that's simple part which requires knowledge of physics and mechanics of the game

nothing special

I dont rly understand

me too

can you record a vid of it?

the tee under u bouncing untill he stop shaking in area of 2 blocks up only and the tee above u just moving >>

the under tee release and catch him

that's it

anyway, you seem to hate me for something I don't remember at all .-.

wait what

I dont hate u

I fixed everything

just i dont like "the language" "it's fucking annoying"

that's it

I thought it was formal topic wasn't it?

uh idk, is it? best regards

so what's all the drama for

edited

there's no drama, i fixed, i uploaded, currently waiting for next steps

in my opinion there is no necessary to make a platform at the end, but you can take a look at the one I made if it's okay

I won't

someone else do it

someone knowing better

okay this is funny

you don't want to see fixed part of your own comment

you reset the map and know dont want to take a look at what you asked to fix/add

I dont rly understand your politic

Aight, here's the fixed version. All updates Lady Saavik was talking about

everything else is fixed

ops

here it is

reset was only because of the full skip and it should be reported by the ppl talking about it on the server, not by me

OK now this is unfair:

he did exactly the same as me but didn't receive a bad word ;f

and he also said the word annoying: "only the things i posted with the screenshot were annoying"

unfair moment

on my old computer when i was hitting the finish line i had a screen freeze for like 2 seconds, so that end wouldn't work for me

and he did the problematic part withing 5th try too

"would appreciate a winner room" isnt the same as the platform to be rdy to get back to help ppl, I wanted make equivalent finish as in the 1st ton.

and for that part ppl also noticed that it's playable and nothing extra wrong with it

The part isnt too hard nor too faily, everyone just doing it wronf

Its not a hammerhit

Did it with darkoort first try

something is wrong then if nobody understands the part

we didn't make hammerhit

lmfao

Delete Justice 2 nobody understands the way

yea only mappers

And the startlineskippers and fullcutters that got rank1

on my old computer when i was hitting the finish line i had a screen freeze for like 2 seconds, so that end wouldn't work for me

it happen for me aswell every time

its when u have too much demos. Maybe copy all ur demos to an other Folder so ur demos file is free

ok

Whats the problem now? This was was announced for release and just Lady Saaviks ego move let us wait for 2 years now?

what? there was full map cheat

It wasnt full map

And u could only do it with help

many ppl were on server back then, I just reported it

What can be intended by the mapper

still, someoone would use it

Yes and

it was full map

nobo

Its a team 0 skip

It wasnt

well it skipped the whole map

it's forbidden in map rules

idk what else ud call it

it didnt skip the whole map

ok 2 tiles at start and end

99% map skip

u couldnt get out that early

What can be intended by the mapper

"ye keep making up more random stuff without any proof"

ya u can

theres a hole literally 20 blocks from start

Still u couldnt get in without help

lmao

stop being so mean to me

stop talking shit then

it was not only me who reported the cheat

check capricorn pls dont waste ur time with trolls

Still u couldnt get in without help

yea just make the cheat with 2 your friends, that's how cheats sometimes work

wat

as I said, I didn't reset the channel until the cheat came

It requires that some people play The map legit

To that part

yea

and grab the cheated tee and finish with him together

Yes and?

Its cool

??????

Ton also has that

once again

let's repeat mistakes

Team 0 skips are cool

big cheats aren't ok

ok skips

In Shockwave i have a big skip with 30 tees

30 tees, not 3

or even 2 if you rly want

u need bigger groups which make u slow. This map is hard and faily

but anyway

Its fixed right

idk, didn't see

Why is it not ready

here it is

I didn't see the fixed version

he posted lol

I DIDN'T SEE

THE

MAP

ok?

we frogive u

kurwa

I literally uploaded 2 times bcs we were talking and it went up quickly

make it ready again?XD

what does it take so long jesus, the map already was on the release que

its too hard to ready it again

when ready

pls make it ready ... i fixed the reason u reset'd it

I can't check it

why?

should have released today ...

pls make sure anyone that "the skip" is fixed, and make it rdy again ... it's been months

still possible to go through, right?

???

there are ways to go through death tiles xD

upwards???

yea

yes

superhammer

but anyway it doesnt matter

it does, because some players care for this (i don't care actually xD)

whats the problem? it was already ready

big cut fixed

it doesnt

as i mentioned it wasn't fixed

because u cant get in at end

oh

2lazy for screeny

and even if not, if FunCat doesnt care about his map being able to skip (and its already much effort because u get only one by one through) it could stay

Fixed anyway, getting out of map is cool tho

if konsti wants it to stay it should definitely be fixed

agree with jao

theres nothing to fix

lmfao

u can skip 2 parts with a lot of effort (more like impossible because /spec isnt enabled) and with random luck

theres no sg and u cant stack without spec to get through kill upwards

100% fixed

theres nothing to fix

totally agree

it's obviously absurd

there's no way to skip the map

but anyway I added 2 extra death blocks in every path

go $ready

f3

stop asking for it

please don't ping testers

like dont ping the role

stop asking for it

stop being incompetent

imagine wanting to get your map released and insulting testers real 200iq move

please don't insult any tester

as lady saavik mentioned, she resetted it, because other players found the bug, this map is in a weird situation, i will try to do a check and make the map ready, as soon as i find the time for it

The thing is

This map was made ready and only resetted because of the "skip" FunCat only fixed because Saavik thinks it must be while FunCat wouldnt care about. Its done now and the map should be made ready again because nothing else changed

I know the situation is annoying for the mapper and i am sorry for this. I guess i should've taken a look at the map earlier.

u made it ready so it should go to u

He can do that, too. Yes.

As mentioned before, some players don't like big map skips. The fact, that the mapper doesn't care, is not really a factor here.

its not a real big map skip because it works only in team 0

stop being incompetent

??? any tester can ready it, as I said it's impossible for me to see the fixed version now

Amol maps like always have a big team 0 skip

Shockwave has too, Ton has it even for teams

But it doesnt matter cuz the skips are gone and the map is tested

it would be incompetenf if I didn't report the cheat

I will be able to review the map at the end of this afternoon.

and understand that I have more things to do in rl

After replaying it, is it really insane ? The only complicated place are the end gores and 1 tiles hook. Classic hh and parts and easy.

It's shorter and easier than back in the sky which is brutal

I rate it Brutal 4-5 max

this spot is too easy to troll, need to do something about it

lmao

also kill is hard to see near the bottom of the screen (on 4:3 displays it can be almost invisible)

i disagree with ravie here, lol

i disagree with welf here, lol

pls explain us why tee 2 and 3 would go down and tower

its literally stupid

the point is, you can simply sit there and the rest can't progress unless you call a mod

Thats often

Also

I wouldnt say its brutal

you can block like that in alot of other maps afaik, we can't avoid those parts anyways, idk why we should force a fix in this spot

because this is a t0 map

should definitely be fixed

t0 maps suffer more from trolling and blocking

then he should also fix this

and this

its the same

lmfao

nah you can't afk block on a tower

imagine this is how the map is

u cant spec so u would see the blocker

in the first screen there's no reason to not make more space as well

a bigger plattform would make it way easier too troll and block

Yea cus u cant know if the person down will troll u once ur down

ye

But u wont go if theres one on the single block

i told ravie this ingame

and then he started insulting 😔

with dummy you can do this pretty reliable, its at 30% of map. Do it with 2 and u can fly to start. From there u can get a lot of tees out easy. And fly to 60%, where u skip in the map.

Overall i think this map should get the Ultranova treatment

this is Ton 2 and not Ultranova 2

I dont see any reason too make the parts easier or softer

yea but having people out of map at start in general is pretty map breaking imo, just lets everyone skip 60% easy

oh nvm i thought you meant something different

imagine having a map being released in months which actually takes a few days

Can anyone explain me why the map was ready and I was asked to fix the only skip, but every time I upload literally the same map it’s being tested again and the whole thing ?

So if there was no skip it was released day ago and no one seemed to worry about that moment ☝🏻

Yeah it's a bit weird, we found skips after the map was resetted, i am sorry for this confusion 😦

Its not "easy" for people that arent used of finding 100% ways to skip kills

Its pretty much random and u have to get both tees through same time or u die

and thats too much effort for skipping 30%

and i think FunCat doesnt even care about such skip

How is that real to go thru the 2 blocks kills?

At lest at this point

And if so where you can get back to the map?

on shocktsunami i made a part where u fall through 4kills in a row

Yeah but it’s huge af

You jump for a long distance

From

1kill one space 1 kill is like skipping a single kill

Server requests ur position exactly at the middle

its a bit harder ofc

but still easy

Alright

Alright

I will replace kills with death deep freeze

ah

Place deep behind kills

Its not skipable

Or solo?

Nah

Deep is cool

Aight

how many lines?

6 to make sure

If kills could be skipped anything could be

Nah

u cant skip freeze or deepfreeze tiles

one line is enough

Sure?

yes

Definitely

only ninja can

Fuck I’ve been playing for 13 yrs and still don’t understand how tw physic works

teles would work too

He dont use tele

No tele

On map

invisible blocks?

Yeah I can actually put blocks under kills

Like regular visible

Just under

nah

Lame

Just deep behind kill

u would skip kill but still be deep

its funny

Konsti huge troll

u

why

Konsti is based af

Well we did it 10 times in a row, so not that random I guess. Also you don't skip 30%, you do 60%(for finish time). Noobs won't do it, but if somebody drags them out of map at start, they won't bother. so it's map breaking imo. But why do maps have to be mapped so open in the first place, it's never secure.

Well we did it 10 times in a row, so not that random I guess. Also you don't skip 30%, you do 60%(for finish time). Noobs won't do it, but if somebody drags them out of map at start, they won't bother. so it's map breaking imo. But why do maps have to be mapped so open in the first place, it's never secure.

how u get back

You fly to start or wdym

How the skip works ? Yeah you can oom but what next

Fly all around the map to the start. There drag fresh tees out of the map, there are normal holes. They have afresh time. Those can get into the map at 60%

i wouldnt care about such skips tho and ik its possible to do it very safe. Anyway it would be fixed with deep behind the kills

How the fresh tees are supposed to finish the map?

They still play 40%

u can help get tees out of map at start

Which helps them skipping more

but it sounds more like a fun team 0 skip

That isnt OP

Yea idk where the border should be for a skip as well.

How they skip it if you can’t back on the route

but if u mind its not possible anymore with deepfreeze behind the kills or not really worth the effort

They can get in before the gores parts

Here in

Aight

Through kills ofc

i think such skips are at mappers decision

Its not too easy its not OP and playing legit probably easier

And u still are not safe to get a much better time because u will still be In team 0

Well yea, you can't Startline skip. And team ranks are not really affected. So overall it's acceptable

And this can take time

But prepare for me doing this

Fixed everything

At this point I fix everything you ask even if I dont accept it

why don't you just close the map

instead of making 10 ppl busy with finding possible ways to go through kill tiles

its super boring, i like the theoretical possible way to might do it. And i talked often with FunCat, he dont even mind those skips hes been forced to fix. I took a close look now and it will still be possible to get out. But now its really hard and random especially because u have to get 2 through at same time, and really not worth the effort even though it would be fun i think.

Much people are waiting for this map a long time already and i think we should stop waste time by useless discussions. This map was ready tested and the only thing the reset and discussions were about was possible ways to skip in team 0 Lets end this

but telling us to hurry up brings nothing

some players (me too) had a lot of hype with the release of this map, maybe that's why we are hurry, in my case I don't have any fun map to play and that's why I was so excited that Ton 2 was going to be released yesterday, and idk why we are still waiting for release or at least for a $ready if skip was fixed days ago

skippable maps are a serious issue and if you want more maps, you can help at testing. it's just hard to find skips in an open map and that's why i don't like to test open maps.

please stop complaining. we found some huge skips and we needed to fix those before a release.

if you want to see fun maps to play, just help at testing.

yes ofc skips are a problem but the fullskip was fixed 10min after u did reset, then some guys find new ways to get out but imo there are not worth "skips" there are annoying af and need a lot of time, the main reason for reset was the fullskip, another skips are mapper decision, so why still waiting for ready? the map was tested and the main problem was fixed

why are other skips mapper decision?

the map was tested but after that ready the map was still skippable, so we needed fixes. i don't know why that is so hard to understand. just stop complaining.

you could also complain to the mapper, because he made a map that is hard to test

why are other skips mapper decision?

bc it's a skip boring and annoying, its more difficult than finish the map legit, so in my opinion I think the mapper can decide if he accepts that the players use that more difficult way (not worth) to finish his map

if it's harder than the other way and takes more time, it's not a skip

imo skips are bad for "any" map. It ruins the system of "racing" and "timer" + isnt fair cause some ppl can do the skips but i might not be able because i dont have such pro friends to play it and to do it... that means i cant get rank bcs of skip? hm.. (imo)

Well in my opinions skips should be balanced. The skips in this map are bugging through kill tiles and hf around the map to get in at a later part in the map. Small part skips can be cool tho.

could you change this pls

its now perfect for blockers and trolls

the one tile plattform was fine

When

can you make this map brutal?

i can't make this map ready because i can't move this map to brutal

It isnt brutal

Hh maps too hard to rate

We should make a hammerhit server type. Or even better delete them and open HHNet

Additionally I would recommend that you reduce the amount of kill tiles drastically to make it more pleasant to play since the kills really do nothing except being annoying here, then it would be brutal for sure but thats just my own opinion, so value it like you want

kills best

its his style. And its not brutal wtf welf

Few bugs that still could use a fix. Map seems ok just very difficult XD

missing corner near end

These blocks are should rather be solid blocks and not cut the 3 by 3 block like this.

I don't think you should only use half blocks and stuff in only one part of your map

These kill tiles kinda look like arrows the first time I saw them. Replace them with just a kill line I think would be better.

(The rest is optional fixes)

These 3 block opening in your map would look better if they all were consistent, some are freeze some aren't which to me looks a bit weird in entities.

I would at least recommend fixing the ones that are partly freeze like the following examples

I see only optional fixes, nothing what must be done

For the rest gameplay seems good to me and is ready once those fixes are done.

insane tho

Easter egg

I mean arrows

Everything else is fixed

I appreciate fixing the killskip, but it looks kinda out of layout now, doesnt it?

where ready

$ready 4 If you're wondering why I put only 4 stars for this map, I get bearing in relation to back in the sky which is brutal 5 stars and other back in something. Map is not really long and the only ,,difficult part'' is the last big gores part. And it's more because the majority of ddnet players are bad in gores. Faily part with killtiles can be easily passed t0 or not. If people disagree, you can present your point of view.

Totally disagree

This map will be fun but also a mess in team 0 and it will be hard to pass. And if the majority of DDNet players is bad at gores u cant say its less difficult because it would be easy for gores pros lmao

the most gores pros wont reach the gores parts because they would have to pass the DDRace parts first. So its a bad argument to say the gores parts are only hard for people that cant gores XD Its hard for people with bad aim to aim too

i think it is 5 brutal or maybe insane 1

it's not a hard map, just has random unbalanced moments

*its faily

it's not really more faily than other t0 maps, just some crap spots

Compare this to journey man 2

It’s brutal 4 too and It’s way easier than this

Should be 5*, the only reason to put it on insane would be to be on pair with ton 1. But since it's easier(shorter) and I'm not a fan of tons of hh insane maps, brutal is the way to go.