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invisible freeze tile

remove speeder so u can go back and help others who failed or just struggle

hmm, and maybe add tele for all holes not only for specific ones? because as i observed newbies can easily loose control so its kinda sad fail if you play for hours just to fall on a random hole

i didn't like the failparts and the confusing structure, the map should show you in which direction you go

i didn't like the failparts why? does a novice map only includes unfaily parts?

and the confusing structure, the map should show you in which direction you go theres is actually no way to go a wrong way in my eyes

the part at the right side of the map is open to the right, also there are some holes, for me those holes are different directions people might try to explore (but they wont find anything there)

leaving them open can be confusing

well the left side is unfaily cause of tele, and im currently closing all holes

your map is for beginners, right? if they fail and wait to get hooked out, they don't learn, also i don't like perma death in easy novice maps

i would put a wall of unhookables at the right

so there is only one possibility

fixed freeze bugs, deleted stoppers at the end, closed all holes with tele and changed the 50% mark of the map with some unhookable blocks

hmm

X means bot down?^^

It means there's a problem with the map i think

your map is for beginners, right? if they fail and wait to get hooked out, they don't learn, also i don't like perma death in easy novice maps in my eyes every map should be a challenge, even for beginners... they dont should think that they can finish everything without watching what they doing, otherwise you would have no "in between" novice and moderate...

im pretty sure that this map is novice 1 or 2 but still a map who can be finished by a newbie

i saw that upload issue on multiple maps, so it's the bot most likely

actually yes xd

lemme try again

well idk

i don't like the idea of letting them fail, i don't think that that is proper gameplay for beginners. that's maybe just my opinion.

well i understand you, but in my opinion the fail spots in this map is so tiny^^

i think its ok

So its still on an old version, but this is the visual bug i have

and if i look at the extracted tileset, its tile borders are smoothened

took another gras main cause idk how to fix it xd

think you have to apply a borderfix

will be ok for 3-4 star novice i guess

think you have to apply a borderfix

idk how to do that^^

map looks clean maybe rework 2-3 parts to make them less faily

and thats it

download mapping graphic tools on ddnet.tw/downloads and drag your grass.png over the tileset_borderfix.exe but im not 100% sure it will fix the issue with your tileset

hopefully the gras main is now fixed

Unmarked freeze at the left part of To 3

minor changes with darkoort

changed a bit

some small changes with bumm

final version hopefully 🙂

freeze is pointless here

no freeze in stoppers in entities

entities problem here too

unfreeze on edge

also move tele 12 ^ >

to the up right platform

should put unufreeze on edges thru whole map if u have unfreeze

looks odd

entities bug here

plus just use tele for antifail instead of this weird unfreeze on the ground thing

too hard

fix these automapped things lol

bug bottom left

screen 1: its fine, it shows you the size of the tee (i like it) screen 4: added unfreeze on all edges screen 5: i deleted tele 12 yesterday there cause like this its easier, but added it again screen 7: this unfreeze isnt weird, its fine for me i will not change it to tele

other stuff i didnt mentioned is fixed

u could replace freeze with grass and have 2 routes to avoid blocking, i just didnt like the freeze since it might confuse players on what the freeze blocks are (since they do not hace much of an effect when unfreeze is right below)

its up to u tho

i will leave it like it is i guess

fixed 1 part

fixed design bug

2x start and 2x finish line? xd

1 is enough

I guess i have to say it again: in this map you used grass tiles and block as hookable. That can be really confusing for new players. I agree with Coke's suggestions.

Actually I won’t change the parts again, I had this all and changed it cause everyone is saying something else^^

I would release the map like it is 🤣

should fix second screen, u can juust move freeze one down at least so its harder to fail

Lol coke

no changes no rls from me

😛

I changed everything posted above, just take a look on everything... when u tester have different opinions then test together... lol I’m only fixing cause everyday another is testing the map, when all tested 1 time than next round starts 😅

idk about others, just saw the newest version

Map was nearly ready for release then you add parts and make it too hard for noobs

and some bugs

and some bugs

u didn’t found bugs in screens actually 🤔 Maybe second screen but I can fix this 👍

Map was nearly ready for release then you add parts and make it too hard for noobs

I didn’t added new parts 😳

second was just an example

you added new parts yesterday 100% i played this map in the original form

all tiles should be recognizable for novice players

all tiles should be recognizable for novice players

makes no sense to me there is no screenshot with a bug... just suggestions for improvement 🤔

both parts are new and too hard

No lol, there were in since beginning 🤣

maybe i didnt see them sorry

could be true as i played the map the first time only half and overlooked the rest

Maybe^^

sorry for spreading false info if it isnt true

for me they are too hard for noobs

if it’s the only thing that needs to be change I’m doing it sunday, I’m not home the whole weekend 👍🏼

I point out what is important for me, if it is not changed there is no rdy from me

Or no more testing on this

Well I won’t mark unfreeze, cause everywhere is unfreeze where u have a chance to touch the freeze

Tele Mark is good as well in my eyes

Second screen I will fix

Again, second is just a example

There are more parts like this

U are a tester... give me the whole package of screenshots if u think the parts need a fix

I don't have to keep posting the same mistakes

Not important really, but i saw how new ppl play this days and im 60% sure some 1 or 2 will fail here, hehe as i said not really important, just an opinion :3

When you see the screen, you can see that the map has even more parts with the same mistakes

First screen : do it without unfreeze or mark it, That only confuses new players.

Mark unfreeze at the second and the last screen too.. It confuses

agree, by its difficulty of the map, is more like for learning and see what does what, if there is some unfreezed tile not marked they will not understand why cause, 1. they are news and 2. they dont play entities yet

here too, just in case coke didnt send

U are a tester... give me the whole package of screenshots if u think the parts need a fix

parts are good, i really like the map structure/parts, just some small details u should consider for novice players as they arent good at the game at the beginning, and also really clean nice design ^-^

fixed some stuff coke mentioned

missing unfreeze marks still in

i already said that i will not mark unfreeze

hm

I think it's important to mark everything in basic novice map like this. And that way beginners don't tell themselves they've been magically unfreezed. Beginners don't know the difference between design and entities yet

i think its not important, cause everywhere, where u can touch freeze is unfreeze

if its marked it will look ugly because of the gras

and it will make no difference if its not marked or if its marked

It's because filler part with just a vertical line of freeze is a bad part and then you have to put unfreeze everywhere and that's why it looks so bad

The basis of the problem is the part

The part was very controversial (also a nice blocking spot i guess), maybe you should think about removing the part.

i can just remove the freeze of it

but funny that nobody said anything before, but know all dont like it xd

think*

ops

I don't think unfreeze needs to be marked, it's pretty normal in ddrace to get unfrozen once you hit the floor after doing a part

I would remove the hookable stones though, noobies might not understand that different color = hookable

missed a sun

I don't think unfreeze needs to be marked, it's pretty normal in ddrace to get unfrozen once you hit the floor after doing a part

if its needed i would delete all unfreeze slots, i dont mark the whole map, thats just exaggerated

it's only needed to mark unfreezes that are used in gameplay and optionally floor unfreezes that will be used in speedrun so they don't need entities

floor unfreezes that just make gameplay smoother can be invisible

missed 2 corners

i think map should be rdy now

missed one unhook xd

Are there any further issues with this map? Else i will make it ready. I would suggest 3*. Any other opinions?

I agree with that

fixed last part

3*?

yes

good^^

Is this unfreeze edge wanted? looks weird

without it looks even weirder so i just placed it there xd

k, the rest looks good o:

changed the logo

pls change mapper name to Savalic^^

done

$ready 3

what about stones being both hook and unhook? wasn't it an issue before?

i dont think its an issue since they are different colors and there are some hook tiles that are 1 wide and impossible with grass layer

creditsbysaadi image isn't used anymore - remove it

oops

$reset

make the bg bigger or move it

the white outlines should be inside

yea

sadly we kinda have to make full test multiple times to be sure nothing went wrong while fixing

ok since I can report more

• one more thing, maybe it's just me, but I can't stand the way you did unfreezes xd

let me show just a few examples in what situations I would add unfreezes, it would look better in entities too:

I will Fix that all

your unfreeze Screenshots only matters for going backwards, I just placed them for going from start to finish 🤔

(Except last one)

But it can take a look on all unfreezes

I hope you checked whole map

And fill them up

as I said I showed only examples

I will take a look when I fix it tomorrow

fixed Saaviks screenshots

you forgot to remove this (saavik mentioned it earlier)

For me the map is still very unbalanced, you have some basic hook trainings and jump through freeze parts, but you also have some more complex movements in your map, which don't really fit to that other stuff. Also part 12 is still tight for t0.

Any other opinions about this?

honestly? You’re coming every time with something else.... I remember last time, where we tested the map, you said it’s fine now... You never said it’s unbalanced???

The map isn’t unbalanced, it’s fine like it is and you know that many people said this. I don’t understand your problem right now...

Are there any further issues with this map? Else i will make it ready. I would suggest 3*. Any other opinions?

👆🤣

removed unused image

I told you that it's unbalanced in DMs some days ago, but you didn't want to change it and i didn't feel like forcing you. Please don't make jokes about my criticism. I am serious.

I'm serious as well and you didn't! The parts you said are comparatively difficult are changed. So you should stop joking around, lol.

Map was ready yesterday, so many testers and other players are fine with the map I guess - also I don't change parts anymore, cause parts are good like they are now. There are now two options; If you find bugs, I will fix them and then map will be released or decline it.

I just took a look, the parts from our DMs are mostly the same now. I am not joking around, i played the map again and talked to another player for his opinion about it. This was our conclusion. We also don't really like the map because it is unbalanced as mentioned.

Either you're joking or trolling or your have fluctuating opinions 🙂

release it like it is or decline it

I changed my opinion, yes.

like 100 times in 2 days

isnt this a bit too dangerous?

(in my opinion, just me) i think this is a bit hard movement, for newers?

compared to the previews parts, hooking a tee for speed up they wont really understand it

first 2 screenshots r nearly to start, third screenshot u can still hammerfly up

ik, but still tho that movement compared to the entire map, which is just jumping and some easy hooks in which they can wait and point its a bit taugh imo yh xD

and the last screen ik that too, just mentioning some stuff that comes in the mind quick or what they would try to do

replaced ht with unhook in last screenshot of quix

why dont you just remove it? xD

if u want to keep it like your way and much easier, (blue) make it ht, (red) remove unhook and freeze so u can hook others up :3

some changes on a few parts

With the setting : I don't change parts anymore you won't get far here

well, u should read the whole stuff welf and i wrote :) also, if u open your eyes you can see that i changed some parts 😉

As it it rn i give it novice 3 or 4

added 1 part + changed some small details and made a part easier

missing unfreeze mark

mark solo

after that, i think its rdy

fixed cokes screens

$ready 3

a few small things, I won't reset the map so hurry up

fixed saaviks screens

that was fast xd

im mapping anyway, so i fixed it xd

map is then rdy?

sure

it is ready xd