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no bg for not HD

change this to no

make bg more left up and right just in case someone uses different monitors

strange part both can go down .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpoupUixhe8

Why would you do that if its harder and more faily than the actual part lol

(I mean just try to do it in-game)

fixed comments about the bg

small qol fix

^ added this arrow

sadly I am to bad so that is the only weird thing I found(I think the arrow placement is weird)

Thanks

I just cant find a better place there to indicate that you need to hold A there

I don't want to add an extra tileset with fonts only because of this one place

So I had to put the arrow somewhere there. Or use a quad with a text on it.

I can also use some other placement but idk where because if I move the arrow 1 tile up it may look like there is a speeder. So, to my mind, this place is not the best, but its probably “fine”

I'm not sure what would be better to do here, I'm open for suggestions.

I thought maybe something like hold a, but that is also not the best

or just leave this place empty

barely visible in design

entity bug

what exactly is not visible here?

all colors can be changed (but your test is more valuable if u can suggest something when u criticize)

tbh I submitted it for the gameplay test first of all (I want to focus on design fixes after the gameplay test if it will still make sense)

thanks

The light blue for the stopper is a bit hard to see is what I think they're talking about, which I kinda agree with

I think either a darker blue or something to contrast like green would be ok

okay thanks. I tried to find some green color but idk I don't like how it looks in different places

so I made it a bit darker

color of the stoppers, entity fix

very minor QoL changes (added more freeze to indicate how to align properly for the hook; some other small improvements)

Hey Please, change status to waiting I tested it with triki and decided to fix/improve some parts of the map.

So, please, don’t waste your time on testing this while work in progress. I will update it in few days.

$waiting

mapper? goat

Many corrections were made, empty spaces removed, and some parts were improved while others were deleted and replaced with better alternatives.

I also changed the colors. Now they are more eye-friendly 🙂

I will consider all proposals, however

maybe use other colour for death tiles, they kinda look similar to background (imo)

or maybe im colorblind or smt

Yeah maybe I would like to see some other opinions if it needs to be fixed and a gameplay test 🙂

• corners

• wrong corners

• wrong corners + corners

• missing freeze & unhookable design

• missing unhookable tiles

fixed almost everything mentioned above

(unfreeze+freeze cases are fine for me, but I fixed several such cases in other places)

Thanks for your work...

There were a lot of corner bugs :[

I've checked the map once again and made consistent design for unfreeze+freeze corners (before the update it was harder to tell what is a bug and what is intended)

make solo with front spawn in game . delete solo signs

here is corner everywhere else probably not have any corner

different rules

no idea how to complete this part , is it even possible same as this !?!

good part , but i hopped you need to hook from down and throw other tee up ( from left side ) . but it's solo part ...

bug

some parts are a lot easier compared to other parts , some parts are impossible ( maybe there is way i just don't know how ) , some parts need to use brain to complete part , some are realy making you do very precise task some not

this looks like will kill everyone almost if they don't know what to do (maybe there is easy way i have no idea ) . but for looks deadly

strange speedups for some reason

i told my opinion

i started vote on this map , so will see how testers will vote

fixes

fixed

fixed

This is fine, its made the same way as other similar places (screenshot attached)

yeah at first I wanted to do it like you described but then someone noticed its soloable

and I decided to keep both ways here because solo way is kinda faily (u need to jump in exact last pixel)

its just autopart (hold d from top)

fixed

this is for t0

this drag part above can be pretty hard so I dont want it to be too deadly

TLDR: design fixes applied; thanks for testing

noob ))

I forgot to answer on this The map was tested by different tees a lot of times, there are no impossible parts, if you need some help with them - ping me

bro had to say skill issue in a non-toxic way 😹

I just think it would be useful to receive a test from someone who plays t0 hh 🙂

(I mean every test is useful but as far as I know texnonik doesnt play such maps too often...)

I almost don't play this maps , most of them i don't like at all .

Yeah I understand

If its not a jao-*map, then its a bad map 😄

We tested it again with Dozz and Lemonchik yesterday, found 2 wrong corners I also added one minor QoL change (I extended this platform so you can jump right into the hole after the drag is done)

Together with Dozz and Lemonchik, we made a video on how to make every part of the map.

Maybe it can help with testing 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpoupUixhe8

We had a cool Lumpy moment btw 😄

Skip part

yeah there are a lot of such skips on the map

is not like a big ahh skip tho

w mapper made a video and even edit it

Yeah. Waiting for test. Please ping me I would help with testing it.

I noticed a small hole that shouldn't be there; fixed.

(those first two are only deco)

i would fill the full map or delete those highlight blue zones, because they dont rly make sense for the map, i kinda like more the full whole map because makes it more clean for the eye imo. but otherwhise if u delete the blue map will seem so skiny (this is just personal no need to change)

now this is maybe too easy compared to the other parts, if you go on big team/ pros teams, this part is easy done so i would delete the hooktrought from up and add some more difficulty to the other one from down

so if any1 fails, the save is risky and not a corridor

i just saw that at the very end there is a fun play jetpack nvm it 💀

• tons of visual glitches when u put hookeable near to unhookeable

According to what I've seen, this part is not easier than others, its really faily if you don't know how to do it

Speaking about the corridors, I made the intentionally the way they are, currently I want to keep them as is.

Upper corridor is needed because if a tee fails the drag at the middle of the part, then that "upper" tee will stuck there, and in this case he may block the part (I marked it as green on the screenshot), so he can just move into spec and then dragged out when the part is done.

Similar thing with the lower corridor, its just needed to rescue tees that failed the part, no reason to make the rescue process difficult, because the part is between those corridors, not corridors themselves. This is needed only for rescuing tees.

I checked the whole map and I found only 1 visual glitch I think...

I guess you changed the map file and some glitches occured, for example

These fat borders are expected I guess, its just happens because automap makes borders for unhook tiles, then it makes borders for hook tiles, so as a result two borders merges into one fat border...

Imo it looks fine but we can change it of course...

visual glitch fix

oh dam sry i just made it fast

forgot that i was using my version xD

yeah 😄 thanks for your comments 😃

bluish background, yellowish unfreeze and bluish stoppers don't fit this map when I saw the map run on youtube the first thing that came to my head is RED. If you would like I could give you the map file =]

Yeah we can do that, thank you

I like how these new colors work together

recolored version ty mister Tsin

I changed the spawn because I was asked to do so

But now I'm wondering if a lot of tees spawn in the same time, they will probably push each other and just skip the solo tile

Can someone comment pls if I'm right or wrong here

Yes it can probably be skipped. (Or annoying to get bounced) That's why you see things like this on Grandma:

^FYI

Okay thanks 🙂

spawn fix

i think it didnt upload correctly

also maybe a lil afk zone there? sometimes its cool on brutals

whats wrong there?

yeah afk zone is a good idea, I'll add it later

the spawn

unless u didnt change it

this is how it was before

something is not good here I guess?

i mean

did u changed it?

bc u said spawn fix and didnt change it

OHHH

I did, look at my recent screenshot

nvmmm sryyy

missunderstanding

i touhgt u was going to do like the grandma one or sm

but nvm nvm mb

idk I think thats enough

afk zone

btw there is 2 ways to get there if u only tought of aled/fly one

yeah but this red way is useless because u cant get unsolo this way

tru

removed these two holes

Include a changelog after uploading map updates (preferably with screenshots).

wtf is up with the logo

whats wrong there

what isnt wrong about it

could you please describe your issue

? logo looks perfectly fine

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeW9kNzMwbTcyMnV4dWJ5MGdyY21zczF1d3p5N3p3djF3OThqNTBjeSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/1Zbeweu52ZaQE/giphy.gif

a lof of QoL fixes I also rebalanced few parts, I made them easier

During my last tests, I realized that the beginning of the map was too difficult, but overall, players enjoyed it. To improve the experience, I introduced the following changes:

1. I revised the first section, as the previous version was somewhat blocky.
2. I added an alternative route to the top to split the players. This also makes the section less blocky.
3. I removed the kill tiles and added a way to rescue fallen tees.
4. Based on feedback that a part was too difficult, I made it easier.
5. Similarly, I adjusted the hookable area slightly to the left.

I marked all the changes on the screenshots: the old version is on top, the new version is on the bottom.

Hey everyone again.

If anyone tried to test the map and thought “playable with SUPER” and put it aside for later, please try again, since then the map has become way easier and less faily.

legend

This part is a bit of a pain to do, and doesn't feel as unique as the rest of the map

This is just personally speaking, but this looks a bit weird and random compared to the rest of the map

Maybe i'm doing it wrong, but the swing feels a bit too weird having to release d then press it again to not hit the freeze

Needs a way to get back up incase they are thrown too far back and they go too far into the freeze to be reached

(I did it on my first try)

Is this intended?

Hookable here would be nice if you go this way without dj

5:55 intended way

The way you did seems also good for me

Alright

That's all i can think of rn, i'm tired af

Feels fine otherwise though

Thank you for your comments, tomorrow ill look into it again and will apply some fixes

reduced file size (I nerfed map logo quality, looks still fine imo)

1.12 -> 0.717

If I put a hookable there, then this right route will be significantly easier, I dont like it. But I see another problem here, if a tee without a DJ will go first, he cant do part and can just block the second tee. I added a small platform to fix the issue. Now u can also do hh throw there.

hookable added

fixed as you suggested

I moved it right a bit. now it feels better I think

It depends on how you do it

At the moment I want to keep it as is

Thanks for your comments Draggory 🙂

I also might (not sure yet) change design to the very old version something like I had on the screenshot.

But it takes so much efforts, I'm not sure yet if its worth it. And I would definitely do it only if the gameplay is fine and acceptable for DDNet, so I wouldn't do the extra-not-needed-work. (This design is really VERY time-consuming). So atm we go with the current red design and these tiles.

don't know how whole map would look like but judging from this last screenshot it might also look nice =] however those bluish "mountains/ground" in backgroud could be a lil bit more greyish so they wouldn't pop up so much. With more greish colors in backgroud it would be easier for players to focus on "main stage" ^^

For now I just wanted to let ppl know that if the current red design is too simple/bad, it can be fixed. The main thing is to check that the gameplay is ok.

Speaking about the background, you are right, I'll find something, maybe just make it blurry, that will also work...

time cp was placed wrong

• corners

• missing freeze design

fixed corners/freeze design

thanks The Inadapted guy

would be cool if this was possible solo without dj

would personally make this hookable so ppl could launch themselves to the save zone

would make this 1 or 2 tiles wider since its a t0 map with noobos

i would prefer if u added some walking pillars here since this part is really punishing, its early into the map and really annoying to go save noobos all the times

pls move the freeze down 1 or 2 tiles

should also make unfreeze the way back or just delete the freeze there and add some hookable to the left there, this part is a death pit and its not good cause the swing is really clunky depending on height maybe also lower the freeze at the bottom so its easier to start hf

this seems really flow breaking and t0-annoying to me

its a bit uneventful to shape the hh path just using some freeze pillars

rework it so it also works well with weak pls or add a strong only sign

should be able to recover the dummy if failed

entrance basically impossible without dj

but you should have it there. fine for me

should be fixed?

having dj on hh map is not real. u will lose it helping someone all the time xd

im really not sure if this map is in a good state to be released in the near future tbh it kinda lacks a special part structure to me. since its just 1 wide tiles everywhere the map doesnt really have a personality, but thats not that important. the biggest problem to me is that most of the map appears to feel like filler parts (some of the fillers are good tho since the stopper stuff is interesting) as there arent that many "real" parts even tho the map is quite big and most of the parts themselves arent as impressive as one might wish.

1/2 red - parts i perceived as filler green - parts i perceived as "real" parts

2/2

in general

not all filler is bad

but u need to strike a good balance between filler parts and "real" parts

most filler hammerhit parts on this map arent as well shaped as on other hh maps by other experienced mappers

this part towards the very beginning of the map is way too tight since it has an edge, thousands will lose time and block each other here

i hope u can understand my opinion that i do not think its worth to rls the map at the moment because of the filler ratio

maybe a tester will think otherwise

if i see this correctly you can reach that place so you should also put the entities there i guess 😅

entities

i suggest (in the whole map) to do something like this, it looks better :3 (2nd is my edited version)

(not only where it's marked) these inconsistencies might trigger some people 😅 i suggest to treat triangular tiles always the same even if it doesn't affect the gameplay

just an example of what you could do to your background, i thought about lava and volcanos, so i added a glowing (i can send u this, but i only edited these 2 clouds xd); white clouds don't look good on that background imo; right now the design is very simple edit: didnt see that you already suggested reworking your design

theres 1 thing i want to add to this topic: since i dont want to just express negative things, i want to show you a "positive" example. my map (vacando) received lots of positive feedback by good players (dont wanna brag but its fax 😎) so i wanna show u my ratio of filler and "real" parts (even tho it might be biased since its mine ofc), maybe this will help in structuring ur future maps and i hope u notice a significant difference between them xd

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