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It's back once again

wtf i thought this was released

no it got declined or maybe in waiting

i did too i thought it was that one coke t0 map whatever it was called

Was on waiting too long

woow

it 28 right

i think i need do some, like make it grow to 29.

How is it related to the map ?

nothing

i just wanna to said it map sooo cool

Either you test and give proper feedback or you keep talking in

okk

need my delete it?

Remove it, it's too random

That's a bit tight (hook range)

The freeze at my crosshair is bad. Remove it or make it 2 tiles wide so you can actually swing

Another random kill tile

That kill tile at the top

I couldn't hit that one but I'd just remove it

its to prevent a cheat

Oh what's the cheat

what u mean here? how was the part done

hook a tee from middle just down

Do a paint 😄

u mean both freeze tiles or just the left one?

Adding a edge there could help in t0 or a platform

in t0 or 4p u can just hook in middle of the hookable

and drag down

That part is good but it's weird without indication

cireme did it solo?

Yes

i already made it a bit visible with the hookable tiles

onle one up bcs u have to hook there

Lol, well you can't guess

maybe only leave the hookable that is needed

i added somthing that fits the design idk

as i said its to prevent a little cheat there, anyway have to check it once again

That doesn't always work

its more a solo jump

Not very t0-friendly

bcs of kill tile?

We did multiple setups and the idea is good but it's bad in the end

No, because both use the path down

ok i can add a other way up

will check it myself again

That part is awkward for many reasons

The kill tile is dangerous for nothing

The swing is far from satisfying (you can easier die as 2)

Level the ground on the left

Maybe it's just me but it looks like that part could be hell in t0

You are asking people to actually play 😄

Vicious unhookable

More unfreeze at the top

Not t0-friendly

Too tight (the fact that it drags you up into the freeze)

Not t0-friendly

The kill tile prevents to instantly do the part, it kills the flow

It's a tad too dangerous

Not jumping or jumping too late results in death

A platform down could help

Dying there is very frustrating

Is the solo really needed ? You still need to pass one down

The hook down could be longer not to cheat

Another solution for t0

Yeah the last ones have to do the part bcs of the solo

arent those silly fail parts a characteristic of new-ish t0 maps? a lot of newer t0 maps have an annoying fail part before finish. ofc only cause a lot have it, doesnt mean its good, still, these silly fail parts are what makes these maps interesting imo

I just thought you could pass 2 down right and cheat anyway

When I add it like this yeah but it's too cheatable, I will take a look tomorrow

U won't try in old version to go both down 😁

Idk, in 99% u will never hit that

Just do it with dj

yea, there are other t0 maps with way failier last parts

I made it viable

$waiting

I tried some ways there, if I remember right ravie told me that ppl will never do the part that way I want. So I made it with the solo, with solo u have to do the part 2 times

My second idea was a setup with some kills, idk

But I used solo in that way bcs it was more t0 friendly, u can go back up there if the last tees fail the part

I'll show you tomorrow

B4 it was like the same but a bit easier

idk what to do here, i marked already

:<

tbh that was the idea of the part, its at 50% of the map, should i still change it?

I think so

Make the drag down longer horizontally

so you can't just hook from the left

isn't that obvious what to do ?

No, the hooks aren't obvious

this too, u rly think i need to change it? its at tile 2890~ (3/4 of the map)

explained the right way of doing this already, idk we have already added a platform to sit. what should i do there (same like the other part, very far into the map, imo no problem)

The tunnel in the middle is too crowded

The platform doesn't really help

Everyone has to wait in line, 2 mn each

its 3 tiles, how can u just hook ur mate down

already said something about this

this too, idk. i want to leave it like it is

as i said, idk what to do here. i like both ideas, as it was b4 or ur new part and the solo part

all other things fixed

i forgot this, idk i like it 😄 never hit it

this too

this too

I'll look at the map after

But because you don't hit it doesn't mean people won't

I wouldn't leave the possibility to die so randomly

done

done

moved this whole thing 2 to the left

added a few new things here

i moved the kill in the middle 😄

i dont see a reason to remove both kills

done

idk what to do here, i already marked the spots to hook. maybe u have a better idea

i just removed the part

as we said in dm's i leaved this untouched for now

new part here

done

leaved this for now as i already said. i like the solo bcs more tees have to do it but i also like the other ways so idk what to do

done

done

leaved this bcs its in 3/4 of the map (3000tiles)

moved this 1 tiles up

leaved this bcs its very far into the map and idk what to do 😄

u have to show the way without kill here, i dont think it makes any difference

talked already to you that i remade this (now its solo)

i like this, u can hf or jump solo if u want

closed this

Talked in-game

Waiting for the last fixes (design mostly)

Reminder : 4*

$waiting

also changed the design of the map a bit

Do you still want to change anything

?

I will look again today

i think thats it for now, i still have time until rls to edit something 🙂

$ready 4

Awesome Coke!

Awesome my ass

tf is this shit

there are some good parts

but the rest is dogshit

my god

so we basically accept any shit that a tester gives us?

🤨

🤨🤨🤨

is bad

Most people who tested it had no complaints about this map.

So

consider the opinion of 1 against the opinion of many

what exactly do you dislike about her?

send a screenshot of a part what you dont like

rly?

Nice joke

Ouch

This is bad joke

$points Kazuma

We did, just not here

(I meant in game directly)

Then mark me all the good parts and then all the bad parts. I don't think u know how 10% works, but I wait for ur Screenshots

It's not worth much but will be interesting to see it

That map is meh, not bad nor too good. It has some good parts but it isn't built in a way that is fun to speedrun nor to play in t0. It lacks room at some places, some parts are too crowded (see here : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096795549828657232/1103464120054992896/image.png). The flow is often ruined. It has tight corridors where it shouldn't and doesn't have any where it could. That map is just another so-so hh map, still better than mult0map. Coke is aware of all of it, I already told him about the issues but he loves it just as much as he loved mult0map back then. Friendly reminder : I meant to decline mult0map but Coke told me (followed by many of his friends) that the map was awesome and that it would be the new trend. I let him know what I thought of it, how bad it was and that we shall see if was right (which I didn't believe and you know the result now)

The map is 50 50. It's ok since we didn't have a hh map in a while. I felt for Coke, trying too hard to make it a good map, reworking it several times so I went for 51 49. Ravie told me if it weren't for me, he would have declined it already which is totally understandable.

That's the kind of reply that isn't very helpful. Point out the problems and be constructive

Decisions aren't taken lightly at anytime, for anyone

Being a tester doesn't grant you any privilege, besides having the responsibility to test and ready/decline maps

Dude is barely a player (not a mapper nor a tester), yet he knows better than anyone

Yes we have already noticed that always everything must please 100% everyone when we / I map something. Strangely enough, other hh maps have been released that had hardly any parts and only bad filler 😁 I know that my maps/parts are often too hard for the normal player, but that's how I like my maps

For me it is hard to map easy parts, as they often seem too boring to me myself

You can't satisfy everyone, there will always be haters and lovers, but hh maps often target a very wide range of players. Hard hh maps are fine but there are some unwritten rules to get that feeling they convey. I agree mapping easy parts is harder than it looks

I'm curious what hh maps you are talking about ? We haven't had any in a while and I can't recall any that fit your description (at least that come to my mind)

dalbychsipivo was a map that fits

ravie told me if the parts are good the filler doesnt rly matter

so we have 32 parts in here, some of them rly big

Also, I got stormed with insults in my DMs. The guy is actually Kasus, a friend of Papotav, misstrip and tortilla

https://ddnet.org/players/Kasus/

You know now the roots :D

He seems to be mad that a tester (here Coke) gets his map released despite being 50 50 (as I called it)

While his friend tortilla got a decline for his hh map

Just saying, nothing and coke got their map declined..

Yeah

Veto

I wanna release killtaps

He kept repeating "tester privilege" numerous times

Didn't know we had a tester privilege

Who told him

Most of the time(I’d say 95%) maps by testers are well structured and clean design, is not perfect so requires testing ofc, but have much less problems than other maps. That’s one of the reasons why this map is being released

Tbh I think if you're a tester it's fair if your map can get released easier faster since you put in a lot of work. But please of course you will have a bias when someone you know or are associated with posts a map, that's beyond human control. That's why some procedures require anonymity and such. Doesn't mean that any shit map will be accepted ofc

Kazuma shaming me

think this map has been fully declined twice already,coke has been fighting for this map a long time

stop it pls

Not rly, I posted it and had no time to fix

Just for the record, I wanted to decline this map. It has plenty of problems that I've pointed out on the first submit, most of which aren't fixed (I guess fillers got nerfed a tiny bit, which is good but doesn't really save the map). I think we'd be better off without another map that isn't really playable in t0 nor in team, but others seem to think it's good enough so let's watch it get played for points by a few pros and forgotten. At least it has a cool design.

Exactly my thought

yes i know you like to badmouth maps of us and personal opinion has a lot of value as i already pointed out. i still find it funny that i fixed parts the way one wanted it, then the other saw it and i should change it back..the way it originally was

there are over 2000 maps, not every map has to be played every day

How is my honest feedback "badmouthing"?

it is related to all feedbacks and maps from us/myself

But I always point out basically the same things and you never listen

https://tenor.com/view/rainer-winkler-drachenlord-gif-20033428

Is that you?

its very famous reality star

best adult content creator

one is enough

henkopenk

This is what happened to milky way no?

Don't know, I haven't tested or even seen that map

My point exactly, it got released then after the first week immediately was forgotten

Hh players will usually stick to the few maps they already know

I don't wanna offend anyone but it feels like similar thing to multimap players xd

They never leave that map

Not true, I see a bunch of different t0 maps in rotation, but the unfun and stupidly punishing ones are forgotten

I guess I just prefer harder hh maps

Well also I haven't been on populated servers recently due to having a ton of work so I can't judge much

But all I remember is ppl being on stronghold, back in time, days,sky

it's clear that maps that noobs can do on their own are more likely to be online than hard maps. there are still far more players who are much worse than average

I guess if you wanna keep making maps that few people want to play and telling yourself they're all noobs then go ahead

i just said that u need in some maps a pro to carry, in other maps is no pro needed

And some maps are just terrible and 99.9% of players that play it dont enjoy it and only do it for points

(insert mult0)

this map will be forgotten in a week maybe less

when tunezones release im going to make the best t0 map ever

Better try a nobo t0 map

With switches and puller everywhere

I told I'll map the way I like it, maybe you don't know how many maps there are. we have to make maps that are played 24/7 ik, but it's not the case in 99%

If u mapping a bit harder or use parts where u need brain, u filter automatically 50% or more of the players xd

tunezones already exist

i know

i want the stable release into vanilla

0.6 vanilla?

its a great map

what's this for ??

we can just pass below

who cares

who cares

who cares

so are we not gonna talk about how romkanerom‘s body seems to be stuck half way into the wall????

unimportant details

outside of the red circle (i watch youtube alot)

Just for the record, this map is already the biggest "hit" of 2023, just 3 days after its release

Just for the record, some "testers" thought it would do bad, because it actually did something unique with t0 maps.

Good map Coke. Love u. Uwu.

What is the unique thing I'm corious

holes in the map?!

Hi corious im dad.

Daddy

Coke making new uniques experiences for hh maps t0 lovers I just have to say Thanks

Coke can give you a unique experience on any map if you take enough

It will prolly land on top 5 here which is kinda crazy considering its a 5* brutal https://ddnet.org/stats/maps/brutal/

nvm, 58 finishes XD

t0 hh players really will play anything

Give em gores

This is a 4* btw, which might be my only complaint since the map is insanely faily especially in team

nah rating is fine

just too many underskilled try the map wich make most parts really hard

was that a joke or not i cant really tell

considering he finished map twice within 3 days im pretty sure he wasnt joking

the map was so bad it overflowed the integer limit and looped back to being good

map mapped by 2 negative mappers making it a positive map

Pretty sure the only thing keeping this map played was the fact that pros kept playing it because they need finish

pros play incoming confirmed?

stop being haters

biggest hit 2023

why is the channel still up

delete it kill it

why u still up

took long enough for pataros 2s channel to go down

corneum started mapping :)

nope

Many pros had finished after the first two days but still continued playing on day 3, 4, 5, etc.

Hm, every time i've checked a teestroyer server, i've only seen it up becuase there were atleast 3-4 pros in it

I think cendren was the main one keeping it alive since he still needs finish(?)

Or am I wrong on that

Cendren didn't want to finish, he always finished for others

Ah I see

Its just a fun t0 map I like it