https://ddnet.tw/testmaps/?map=Tremor

HQ Oldschool map

one of the best mappers

For sure its somehow skipable if Konsti post it

it is not as far as i saw. Most people know that i am a big oldschool fan and released bunch of it as tester

lmao it actually has a huge skip xD

fixed the fullcut. it skips literally 90% of map and is kinda easy to do. You can still get out of the map now but not in again

add red tele and new ht?

Hf removing all ht parts and thinking of something new 😄

• unfreeze in to teles

We dont change oldschool maps except for huge bugs

no rdy from me with blue tele+old ht+no unfreeze in to's

i hope you are trolling

i would barely agree to add unfreezes but not even that

but there is nothing worse than f*cking up OLDSCHOOL maps with red tele and new ht

its even jaos opinion about oldschool

these are things you can change without changing the gameplay

then the map is not quite so annoying

it changes the gameplay

we have released a bunch of oldschoolmaps and teles and HT werent touched in any of them

I changed it on the last oldschool map

which

redneck rampage

these small changes only make the map more playable

yea oldschool maps dont have the same standards as new maps

such things shouldnt be changed

s dumb

why not change them

it doesnt hurt anything

i released Eruption, Easy_hard 4, Pirateworld, last chance, Triple kill and some more with jao and didnt changed it

also released adrenaline 4 again and didnt change teles there

how is adding unfreeze "fucking up" an oldschool map

i didnt talk about unfreeze

i talk about new ht and red tele

red tele > blue tele too

f4

blue tele so bad

where blue tele are needed they can remain natural

old ht idc really but i prefer new ht

since old vs new ht doesnt have as much gameplay effect

it doesnt make sense to change maps that are older than ddnet with tiles that only exist on ddnet

god damn

I think it was left like that because nobody wants to do the work.

if its not needed to change (what jao said) I think the mapper/publisher can decide o:

no it wasnt

what do u mean tiles that only exist on ddnet lol

how does it make sense to not change too

i dont get it

red tele and new HT only exist on ddnet

so

this maps are older than ddnet

how can u add tiles there that doesnt exist

using the map editor

no

i would rather decline an oldschool map if someone changed all those things lol

i agree to give them more flow by adding unfreeze or so

but not change the tiles

nah you shouldnt change anything unless its really needed to make the map work

oldschool server is for archiving maps not to make the best playable maps

just cause the map is old doesnt mean it cant be fixed imo

its not like all oldschool maps are national relics that must be protected

there are relicts

but w/e

no lol

of a time before ddnet

and ddmax

ye they are relics, they should stay the same for nostalgia reasons

yes and adding red tele destroys it

yes

it does

i missed the time when the tele would bug out and keep my hook on tees

so nostalgic

make 2 versions, rls one optimized on brutal/mod/insane and the old one on oldschool so u both are happy 😄

it make maps less annoying 😄

ur not an oldschool player so u cant relate 🙂

those "bugs" are features in oldschool maps for example in speedruns

i remember saavik changed teles in maps and made them unplayable

i played before ddnet ddmax etc. i prefer red tele and new ht 😛

but its on ur hand

yes thats ok to prefer and its standard in modern maps

i dont use blue tele too

but were talking about 8 years and more old maps

so

keep the skip`?

no

it doesnt make sense to keep skips which lets u skip complete map

because the use of oldschool also is to show old mechanics and ideas

and for this u have to play map

u can keep the ht bugs with new ht

😄

the point of oldschool server is to have the "oldschool experience" as close aswhat it was X years ago

changing all that entirely defeats that purpose

actually not

only the one way hook

but old ht gives way more angles than new ever could

and yes its also viable to make a revamped version of the map to fit todays standards and make them more mainstream but thats a different approach and almost every oldschool map have the approach of keeping things as intact as possible

on sleepy 2 there is a part which gives u 20 seconds in a speedrun because of that

i mean we released a total rework of an oldschool map with LichKing on Oldschool

you can do that but its not really an oldschool map by this

if u want "oldschool experience" just play the other 200 oldschool maps that are basically the same

old tele sux

wtf

old ht sux its so unintuitive

but whatever

oldschool is one of the most creative map kind

i dont play oldschool so idc what gets released i guess

ur talking about ddmax

and f4 lol

oldschool maps are free to be released, no matter how bad they are as I experienced in the past

why is this not ready for release yet

this map is not trash

i didnt say its trash

TheZyZya made really nice maps also in ddnet times

ok ive not remembered playing them so i couoldnt say

but imo oldschool/ddmax maps are so unfun

why do all maps i post end in big discussions

ddmax is mostly unfun because its often out of trashy purple panic parts

id say oldschool > ddmax

man if u dont care dont cause unnecessary drama

ty

i wasnt even the one who started talking about it

i just saw it mentioned and gave my opinion lol

it wasnt even drama either lol it was just debate on what to change

nobody threw insults

it was a waste of time

tbh

well now we can say that its not needed to change these things in the future so not all that was a waste

so in the end theres tons of messages here now and we keep on having the fullcut fixed but not doing a change to the gameplay right

those old tiles are still compatible and work the same way they did years ago so why would they be changed?

cuz they suck

No u

I'd say nouis sucks

Actually choose this map cuz The moon looks like

When unfreeze in to teles

illegal

I thought the same for a long time, but idk after a long time playing "perfect" maps adapted to a lot of standards, it's nice to play some mess with creative ideas

fixed edges sometimes being a gametile and sometimes not. Only fixed the design, so the gameplay hasnt been touched

i remember saavik changed teles in maps and made them unplayable

what? I didn't

I didn't do ANYTHING to oldschool maps

But in ddmax

I didn't change teleports in ddmax

just a cleanup in editor: unused images, too big layers, wrong backgrounds

entities bugs

so what do you mean with unplayable now

Pretty sure it was u

$ready 3

make the layers smaller!!!

wtf xd

Problem with last screen?

made the layers as small as possible (893x599) before was 1000x1000

unsolo is just funny

cursed unsolo