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spam better do it like this.

fixed no hammer spam

i think i fixed this as well im not exactly sure what the problem was so i just replaced the stopper

The stopper was mirrored which it shouldn't. :)

i should rotate stoppers instead of flipping them then?

Exactly.

distracted ... let's continue to test i think this is a little to long

I tested the first two drags and found that they are almost fine. They are a good challenge for brutal. but looking at them, I think you've got a spacing problem all over the map. Your map is tight with no reason on some places. 1 dont use 3 tiles hole its look bad. better do it 6-8 tiles. 2 places like this u can do longer, no need buld it compact 3 it's like the first one problem, 2 tiles wide is looks bad here. all this fixes didn't change difficulty, but now its looks way better.

all ur map like this with the same problem with spacing.

The spacing on this part is good.

also 1 unfrezze is enough

also "cto" better then "to" (checkpoints) but u can keep it.

gl)

1. shortened hookfly at start of map
2. changed most holes from 3 to 6 tiles. same with drops in between parts
3. 1 tile of unfreeze on tele now

1 idk im bad or what but this one is annoying 2 u need add 2 more tiles here

1 this is same mistake i mention before here number 2 its too short with no reason. 2 some times u can go under tile and its insta fail.

same mistake here. all this walls so small compare to tee. It's like Gulliver in a small world.

1 this one is too faily , maybe im noob (i do it 5 of 10 which is bad) 2 i dont like thiis speedups , better remove them and create smth different.

This part looks different(in bad way) compare to others also: 1 useless 2 always going here

really cool part but start little bit annoying so i a little bit rework it and starting enjoy. now u dont waste about 1-2 sec on start every time

feedback above + please spend some more time experimenting with design colors + concepts

1. fixed everything mentioned above plus a couple parts deeper into the map that also needed more room
2. added more tele to some parts to make them more readable

i havnt changed the design at all because im not really sure how to improve it yet

i know why u move spawn here and then forgot remove that. instead of move spawn use in f2 hot_reload and u dont need move spawn in this case.

1 i still have some issue with that can u send video? 2 look like tp too close need 2 tiles down. also idk how u doing this part so my tips can be wrong now.

not mark how many need rockets now this part way better

i cant do this one, too hard for me, so maybe this part unbalance cus map before was easer.

this start annouing why i need rehook(

i like this map) its bring me back to aim map by aoe but harder)

i thought you meant add 2 more tiles coming down. i changed it back and removed the 2 tiles

can you explain what exactly makes this part bad so i can change/fix it

ill try making this a bit easier. having weak on this part does make it feel a bit worse to play also

there is a bit of a difficulty creep as the map progresses (1-2 more hard edge hooks per part) so please let me know if its too much

fixed everything mentioned above

it was right , but it bring new problem where tp is too close

after changes its better

ah i was weak, u can use server settings where all will strong

this is solve problem with strong hook, ye u still have weak bounce(from each other) but on drag u cant bounce so dont care.

Idk if we really allow that setting, do any other maps use it?

why not? this is solve so much problems. btw on my map its needed.

1 i cant reach that 2 need more space for better speed 3 or if its hammer u need add wall 4 or if it double rehook u need rework it cus not its look like not supposed double.

1 i always wanna hook here can u add hookable, for me its more flow 2 if u wanna keep dif u can add more walls this is not need change if u dont wanna , its just what i pref.

all parts like this if player weak its gg.u defiantly need that or ur map is close to decline cus u have alot parts like this ye u can mark like "upper need strong" but its bad fix better rework part.

also i notice i use rcon tp(from admin console) on some part waht means ur drags parts have bad "back tp" or not enough for example here i think u need add tp more cus this corner tp is annoying to catch. also i saw same problem on first part, u need fix it on all parts

1 i think this have again this problem 2 idk if here need double hook if no need remove some upper tp|| maybe this one no need chanege at all|| 3 u need do longer that maybe +2-3 tiles for better flow 4 to keep dif u can also do it longer cus with 3 fix it will be easer 5 too many action per sec, give player breath i think +2 ht||not sure if u wanna force tp under ht but i dont like like it rn|| and +3 wall tiles will be enough

1 tp with no reason, u can rework it and keep idea rest: again all sosmall u need rework this part

i dont like this part cus 99% will fail here i think 1 i think u need remove hookable 2 add training zone before actual part will start.

1 idk i cant save dummy cus cant rehook 2 some times i touching this 3 if here need jump when fall its also bad cus cant react

i tihnk u have a lot of problem cus u combine first way with back way. better dont combine and its easer to map.

1 also avoid spam shelds, better do "check room" where u lose wepon if fall 2 this is better order

It still can lead to some unexpected outcomes excluding the bounce so it is generally better to not use it

this game have a lot of bugs so one more or less who care. also i tested many times my own map with that and its fine, consistent.

ive decided to remove the tele sticking out (so no forced rehook) as the part is hard enough without it imo. if the part still looks confusing i can map the way back in the other direction

1. i dont really see a way of getting the tee into the part without having the first two edge hooks skipped or greatly changing the shape of the map so im keeping tele. if you have a fix im not seeing let me know

1.fixed everything mentioned above 2.the entire map can be completed with weak hook now

3. i completely changed the part that requires the sg to be used

so ye i see its double rehook but looks like not, thats what i talk about.

is there a way to make it more obvious?

cause if not i can just bring the end closer

u know most way mappers add platform like this, this platform show its double but ofc u need rework this box u cant just like me add that.

yeah

i think ill just move the end closer

idk what u tried, but i see some ways.

ye i see its also double rehook, its fine. i just worried its not double and smth other, and waited confirm from u. so keep it.

if u do that it will not double and its worse, cus ur map is hard. and double is better. but as u wish

i think so too

ill try to come up with a way to keep the difficulty of the part but if cant then ill just move the end closer

dont get what u changed, u did wall longer?

i moved the floating wall to the right 1 block

ah u u about block what in on way,

i still dont get did u changed smth here?

no, i didnt clarify mb. i moved the floating hookable wall to the right by 1 block as you said you kept landing on it when you were dropping down

so then we still have third problem with dj

when i test ur map i didnt know it is 1 way or 3 way, so now i know its 3 and its work not really well cus have 0.5 sec to react

or maybe im just too bad, but dont think so, cus rest of map is fine for me.

i took this out so you dont have to dj anymore

i dont think it was problem) dj was fine just need give more time to react. ps im on my own server, if u join we can try solve this

whats your servers name

1. variety of small qol changes on many parts 2.improved gameplay of last 2 parts
2. completely reworked grenade solo

what about this?

3. until i know for sure sv_no_weak_hook can be used and that it doesnt affect gameplay anywhere else im keeping that the same
4. i reduced the length of that part by 1 block and i was hitting it consistently 1 and 2. i forgot we changed stuff there. what did we do?

1 two tiels right 2 +2 tiles or +3 not sure witch one consistent and comfortable more.

1. made the two changes mentioned above
2. changed color palette of map

made teleport slightly darker

1 idk what u did here but now its worse, i never said about length in this place, always about high and space number 3.(dont use from my screen, its just reference i didnt test it) 2 ok i tested a little bit more and find this one perfect place for stoppers (2 tiles from wall)

idk but i still dont like this hook here i think its unbalanced(too hard) u have about 0.3 sec to hook and also u need perfect moving.

im not sure but looks like we already did it good but u lost reference and trying create by remembering.

i dont wanna again do that cus u can again "lost it"

idk if i mention this but this rehook force is bad(

idk what u did but now i cant do this, i cheeked on old version and i did it with firs try. u broke timings or setup. but now its worse.

its easier to do the part with 2 hooks instead of 1. That is the exact part. i counted blocks in the demos i had to make it myself lol

the only thing i took out was this block

i didnt touch the rest of the part

1.moved stoppers to the left by 1 block on the first part and made second double rehook easier/more clear 2.fixed bad rehook at start of second part

oh maybe i was weak but after reload map i was strong thats why i first try it. idk so much parts are worst cus weak.

ok first part are good for me. second one is still dont like 1 I remember telling you to make it longer. but its still short.

platform mentioned above is now longer. had to rework the part a bit but it plays the same for the most part

u can open editor in a demo and load current map

i still dont like this hook. problem - its possible with 1 rehook (but annoying way)

1 start a bit annying, its not hard but spend too much time 2 pref different tp

cus u removed block, u need to to it larger +1 tile.

move this 1 tile left, cus sometimes i touch it

i dont like this start, its not smooth.

touched last edge

this one is not smooth

this doesnt really seem like a problem. using 1 hook instead of 2 is just a harder way for the part to be done. ill change the part so you have to use 2 hooks because the only possible problem i see is that people will not realize 2 hooks is easier than one and only try the part with 1 hook, making the part harder for themselves.

people will not realize 2 hooks exactly for this i dont like it.

1. Fixed everything mentioned above except the starts of 2 parts as im not too sure how to change them yet

2. chose to make the skip the actual part becasue i liked it

3. changed how this part looks. plays the same

ye good decision.

start seems still bad, not smooth, tight and ... can u send demo about start cus its seem like i doing that wrong cus double dj is annoying.

wow n1, that's the best edit you've ever done. I can see how much you've improved your mapping skills.

Even if we look at this map, we can immediately identify the old parts that you haven't touched. Because you're already building much better than when you first sent this map.

1 remove one more tp maybe two. 2 for me this is bad fail.

idk what u change here

u didnt test ur part? seems like no. 1 wrong tp 2 idk but u always have bad start setups on every part, try to save player time when he start part. for example this one, why i need 2 hooks for start this part? but if u move it like i said u donnt need two hooks only one.

better remove this ppl try this

repetitive and not fun edge hook parts, it's not like if it was some great or interesting type of edge hooke, just some basic and repetitive one. but in a t0 map so it's fully cheatable, the last triki screen the part is too precise tho. and parts are too tight

why the killtile is sometimes hookable in design and sometimes rly tiny spike

some speedup ? also u can use the purple off hammer to put hammer off in all the map directly instead of using the of hammer tile

all ends of parts using speedup can be replace with tele

imo it's not worse a rls, but let's wait other tester opinion

1. dont have to use dj for grenade part now
2. moved start of part to more convient place for player and fixed the 1 tele
3. removed the block people were trying to get to jump to
4. replaced all speedup with tele
5. replaced no hammer tile at start with the purple hammer off tile. im not sure how to send a server message saying there is no hammer (if its even needed) or how to force a 2 player team (if its better for this map)

i checked again with pipou and we agree for a decline, despite the change the overall gameplay is not in our standards

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thanks, but im probably going to scrap the map and salvage a couple of the parts i really like

Yes, I agree that sometimes this map is too tight for no reason. but this map vibe me to "aim" maps. Also aim maps cheatable too in t0, but they are good for t0 and 2 ppl at the same time.

the last triki screen Idk, but for me it's my favourite part of the map. This "precise" is reasonable for me.

not in our standards Do you mean edge hooks? So the map like Aim is not releasable these days?

if he fixes spacing it will be good, no?

It's a shame you didn't see how he improved the map. For me 10-15 "full rotation fixes" like before and map will ready.

for an "aim style map" to release it would probably be either very creative or flow very well which this map currently doesnt do, thats why it isnt good enough to be releasable in testers opinion i think

most off the diffictuly comes from precise movement not from actual interesting hard parts

there are definetly good parts

but theres way more parts that dont fit the current standards of the testers