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structure and space is not good, everything is too tight. the gameplay is repetitive are rly basic, not developed try to play some recent ddrace map to gain in experience and see how could looks an actual releasable map.

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I see we start again with bullshit so what is ddmax gameplay ? Suddenly drag parts became „ddmax gameplay” so what hammer hit will become „ddnet gameplay” ? Stop creating something that don’t exist you only confuse new mappers

ddmax according to vena (i think): slow, boring and uncreative drag parts repetition of structures beginner mapping mistakes bs ways to fail

Where?

for the 2 first i agree

btw i didn't know the reason was public xd, i always put normal reason and this time i was lazy, so just ddmax.

why are you pinging me?

what u mean “we start again” why u think like this?

vena used the d-word, he thought it was private not public

"I see we start again with bullshit" - given vena thought the reasoning is private and all of us testers know what he means when talking about it, i dont really understand why this has to be digged up every, single, time. it's like publicly trying to bash someone because a DM was accidentally sent publicly, the thought of possible discussion because someone says "the bad d word" is mentally draining.

The fact that they made a "d word" like it's bad and can't do comparison now days, that's mentally draining xDD

if I undertand correctly u (testers) started to decline maps with ddmax in reason but make it private so that only mapper and testers can see it ? If thats correct then this is even more pathetic than I thought also it makes the problem even bigger. I will write for last time many of new mappers don’t understand anything related to ddmax in decline reason because most of them play novice or just multeasy variations so they try to make their own version of multeasy because its the easiest way to make a new map. Whats the point of using ddmax in decline if new mappers don’t even know what ddmax even is also its disrespectful to all ddmax mappers. It also shows that map testers don’t have any respect to mappers that have their maps released on ddnet(both legit and stolen maps).

@louis.place u have been pinged bcs u done the same recently with decline.

later will edit that last msg so it will be readable( writing fast on phone aint my thing xD)

Don't call things and systems pathetic you don't properly understand or even know of tsin.

Mentally draining, as mentioned. Good luck with whatever you're trying to achieve here.

i have no idea what you try to achieve here melon. Im writing only to vena, louis and all map testers to stop this disrespectful way and stop using ddmax as thing. Also im writing it because I know that many mappers will read it and they will see what will happen to their maps after so called „standards” will change(their maps will be thrown into some category and will be disrespected in future). Many mappers already moved to other servers because of that which is a good thing 🙂

Tsin you don't feel offended when VéNa says ddmax, is that correct?

"Only to vena, Louis and all map testers"- which seems to include me.

TiL they're moving to other servers - last time I checked we actually advised a lot of mappers to seek help within and from other communities, so yes i agree - that's a good thing.

Also what map are you referring to when you say "thrown into some category and will be disrespected in future") - are you just referring to ddmax as a whole? Because then that's your problem if you see it that way. I don't see vena being disrespectful, just saying it's similar to an old mapping style, which again - is a good thing - but unfitting as of today.

last message from me - not only is this off-topic, but also a repetitive discussion Tsin seemingly likes to hold for multiple years from time to time now.

get on the ground and this time write it how for real everyone see it. If everyone would see it how you desribed it then we wouldn’t be discussing that

we are discussing this because one person (you) started the discussion

If they refused with the reason "ddmax gameplay" then mappers will see even more maps and discover that they shouldn't have the gameplay of a ddmax and thus make better maps!

great then how about they will make a new category "old standard" with maps from novice, moderate, brutal, insane and start using it as some kind of reference and stop using ddmax in disrespecting way. Maybe mappers of those maps won't mind(atleast to those maps they do own rights, as areminder ddmax and most of oldschool were released without permission of the mapper so those mappers didn't sign for this trash treatment).

as mentioned already vena didnt know the reason he gave was public, so this "treatment" was not intentional.

saying that something is disrespecting is subjective, all im seeing so far is you feeling that calling something ddmax-like is disrespecting

as i said, i thought the reason was private for tester with this new system, and we know between us what this reason mean instead of explaining with long phrases.

for the "old standards category" it's another problems, we (tester) don't have the power to create category or change things like this. and btw referring to my own message, https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1324130458224820314/1324139820116742194 i always say in this case, "play recent map" so it doesn't refer only to the old category like oldschool and ddmax but also older novice or moderate map...

i think in general maps older than 2019 or 2018 should be avoided when looking for inspiration

some old maps are iconic and have some good parts or cool stuff in it. i think some of the old stuff got lost over the years and it would be cool to have it modernized.

nah, just look at the last novice releases they all feel so uncreative, feels like copy paste in a lot of cases ngl older novice maps usually have a higher gameplay standard

the abuse of hookthrough in newer maps is crazy

Recently only colo-colo's novice map stood out, actually interesting gameplay

facts

if a novice tries to be creative it turns into a moderate

yeah, amybe its time to stop novice releases and get more moderate maps

can u link where i did it with decline?