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Map 🐞: Debug output is too long, see attached file.

please use low detail

What do you mean?

low detail mode

Should I put it in all textures?

only on those that you dont need

keep tiles and background

I have no idea which ones need it and which don't

make sure that computer doesn't blow up while keeping necessary graphics

https://ddnet.org/guidelines/

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I think I have done well

Please fix that.

High detail looks fine now at a first glance.

Also skipping the start line might be possible with multiple tees, best to close it below.

I think I've fixed it

replace tiles that are set there

I know it is forbidden, but it is only for the finish line. players will not be affected as they cannot interact with this area. Can I do it this way anyway?

is more fancy

You would need to do some sort of indication for that

Still not everyone could get the clue

What if I put up a sign saying "think before you jump"?

extra troll points if you put a spike there and tp the player to an area that looks like the spawn

It’s forbidden for a reason. Also I don’t really see why it would be necessary to keep. You could hide it a little bit in design but everything relevant still has to be indicated.

On top of that I’m not sure how realistic it is but the editor gives you a warning that your map will break if new tiles are added in the place of empty ones.

i think its better to add a simple wall if the player wont understand

i forgot what i was supposed to type

Maybe fix this btw

I hope it's all fixed, I'm sure I've deleted all ids 127

D:

I can't find the id 127 anywhere, not even by teleporting to the coordinate.

I am 100% sure that I have deleted all ids 127

corners 😦

there are no corners

atleast bugs are gone

I'll try to implement https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-discordbot/issues/87 soon

ok, I've looked at the map, and it has really nice design, very good job, I don't know about bugs or parts that need to be fixed, but the map looks really good

Thank tou very much, I spent a lot of time working on this map, trying to take care of the details and make it fun, I'm not sure if my content is well done since it's my first map

we're holding back vena as best as we can, this map looks promising!!

I look very good for your first map, considering it looks better then most peoples 20th map

i wanted to decline but map is long i'm lazy to test

idk if this is a set up but if is, it doesnt work

imo the platform is to small

the beginning should be more open for t0, you can block the whole map if you go afk here, takes like 0 effort. waiting 3 seconds for unfreeze on tower and the left + right hh+hf while tees are falling down is not a good start (tees might block each other). some straight (instead of back and forth) hammerhit/hammerfly stuff with more space/freedom for fun would be a better start for your map

your map seems to be a t0 map but your 2nd part is a longer drag which is usually considered as a 2 player part, especially this part seems to be 2p. also i advice you to avoid too many special tiles in t0 to fix cheats (it's considered a bad style for t0 maps)

this is a novice drag and really slows down everything, it doesn't really fit into a t0 map, it's just slow

idk if i did the part how its supposed but the swing touch the unsolo, maybe lower the plat 2 blocks

quite tight for t0, it seems like the death tiles are random, it's not fun like this

idk this filler, just personal opinion XD

i think u dont need this unfreeze

i am confused by this part, the catch doesnt make sense to me, you can just go down solo and hook your teammate from there

I'm working right now, but you should know that I'm reading everything and taking everything you tell me, thank you very much!! When I get home there are things to change!

i didn't check everything yet. imo the map has some spacing issues. at least sv_pauseable 1 should be there so you have one way to dodge other tees (you have to make sure this doesnt cheat anything). maybe avoid more special tiles and keep things a bit cleaner (less details for entities, less random kill tiles). some stuff seemed novice or quite slow for a t0 map, maybe add more actual t0 stuff over tight faily stuff.

i aprove less faily stuff

I hope I got it right this time

lol

i never think about that XD

^mini skips

it seems need dj

cant find a better way to throw the tee without touching the killtile

dont know if im doing this in right way

can remove the unfreeze or the platform

always fail to swing (dont mind the thing happening in the last second)

ah ok im not that creative

^skip

fixed

you can keep it imo, I think it's surprising for them to see this moment

fixed

i found a way back, 0/10

That skip is there intentionally

I must fix that

thanks for helping me uwu

ignore that 10 years ago thing

oh it really works

can u join the sgp testing server coz im kinda lazy rendering these demos

I'm a little busy right now 👉 👈

I have taken the decision to completely change the map, I have read the comments that have been made and I came to the conclusion to redo the map from 0. The first change of many that I want to mention is the change of color, since I found it very dark and difficult to distinguish some things.

The main reason for the rework is the space of the map, I have tried to make it comfortable to play in T0. The map has the same length from beginning to end, but I have deleted and reworked new areas.

These are examples of some of the many changes I have made to the map.

Zones eliminated

New areas

Those were some of the changes I made. But there are still many unmentioned changes inside the map that were not worth showing because they were small things.

your design is not 1.2mb, the filesize can be massively reduced to about 600-700kb

You are being nice, it could be even less there is nothing

okay

minimal effort 600kb

I didn't see much of the design but most of it had issues

The leaves spawn mid air

The light and the tree in the cave are too bright

Even though the background is silhouettes, did you ask for creator/owner's permission?

Also the distortion animation on the mapper quad is kind of awkward

The map conveys a sense of peace and calm, while the distortion in the image evokes aggressiveness

Pipou thank you very much for checking my map... okay first the background... i guess you mean the mountains... i took them from the internet... i don't know how to communicate with the creator second the artistic design of the map I have another person who is helping me we are taking into account what you say, the animations cost us a lot

:o

omg i would like to know how to do it

wrong side

I like the map, deisgn is simple and well done

very nice colors

I didnt like the map. For me main reasons because there TOO MUCH long common hammerfly without anything in it which is very boring to play and feels very slow if u cant pseudofly consistently and there too much free space in general which makes its not possible to restructure (or it will take too much time which is not worth doing imo).

You also used special tiles a lot (solo, "u cant hook others" tile) just to force few seconds of gameplay and fix possible cheats which is not good because basically if you will think a little, u can force the way you want without these tiles.

I pointed two general reasons why i think its not releasable but there more problems with many parts (works bad / too punishing / boring) which i wont post here because it will take too much time and in the end u wont be able to fix it all due to my point cuz there too much free space so u cant restructure the map without putting inhuman effort into it.

Hold parts also dont work well and we died on all of them when were playing map for first time, they are unintuitive to do

I would decline the map if it was the first test and you didnt put effort into changing anything here yet, but since someone posted feedback and u was fixing lot of stuff already i wont do that instantly, maybe someone from testers will have motivation to point out all the stuff or agree with me and decline the map

You are the first tester who did a full test

from what i heard in game and what i see here, i think a decline is better, focus on a BIG rework or a new map

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Okay, I'll try harder next time

is the full test in the room with us

this is a wall of text wo even a screenshot of the boring fillers or any of the many problematic parts

By "full test" i meant a review on the full map in the given way. Please don't be too exact with my wording ._. Maybe i misunderstand you and you rather want to express that the mapper should get more information about the decline

well what is mapper supposed to do w this feedback

i think they can decide whther its too much effort, they seemed willing to fix everything else

but they cant read kickers mind.. next map will have same issues

don't let them bully you, your map was beutifull, I loved looking at it

hi i noticed few things. ofc this might not be reason it was declined

good filler, i like that theres multiples ways and u can get help from t0 to cheat the end. u should model every filler after this one

like for example netx filler, its a big empty space. why does the freeze randomly change width? what even is the hookable on top XD

i like that u can get help in t0 again, but imo better add other way wher eu let them do speedfly into aled to skip whole part or so

thats it for fillers i wont review the rest but keep in mind most people cant pseudo so care not to map 10h of hf. i think u only need small changes to ur filelrs to make them rly nice

i wont test this drag with dummy but generally t0 maps hsouldnt use special tiles like no hook, and still skippable. also u should force one way to take speed, rn u have hookable and ht

also it looks like u randomly change the block structure throughout the map from 3x3 to 2x2 or so. every tile should be placed with some thought behind it, try to think abt making ur parts match with the rest of map. i think that part couldve looked like this for example

idk why starrt of this part so weird with crossing each others path, here is one of 10 different ways u could do it

also troll swing without dj bc u have to stop studdenly to take hook. and the move with groundhammer was mapped for 2p, its terrible in t0, at minimum u should have wider plat to get others. at least whole part is faily so u dont have to worry about going b XD

i stop here for now. imho map doesnt look like too much effort to rework as it seems like u enjoy mapping

mb someone else acn look at some of the rest