#Jazzy_Sandwich
"Jazzy Sandwich" by Jimmy Jazz & Soapy Sandwich [Dummy]
DDNet 09/19/2020 10:26 AM
@Soapy Sandwich

this is your map's testing channel! Post map updates here and remember to follow our mapper rules: https://ddnet.tw/rules

triki 09/19/2020 12:21 PM
triki 09/19/2020 12:25 PM

1 why just no put dummy on prepared place. what a waste time for noob through every fail. 2 why just no put buttons with same tp tiles?

Soapy Sandwich 09/20/2020 1:58 AM

Thanks triki for the test, not sure what you meant by number 2.

Tridemy 09/24/2020 5:57 PM
ALittleHappy 09/24/2020 6:10 PM

(blue) cp 1 not needed (already at orange)

Deleted User 09/27/2020 3:32 PM

Cool map u 2 🙂 found some stuff:

Deleted User 09/27/2020 3:33 PM
Deleted User 09/27/2020 3:33 PM
Deleted User 09/27/2020 3:33 PM
Soapy Sandwich 09/28/2020 12:47 AM

Fixed design bugs and looked for some more.

Done all the changes above except for the ending tile placement. I think it is ok as is but if people do find it really weird will gladly change it.

Cøke 09/28/2020 6:31 PM
Soapy Sandwich 09/30/2020 2:25 AM

Tested with Welf looking for more bugs. Several graphic glitches fixed.

Thanks again for the test too

@Cøke

, fixed the issues you found.

Animefan 10/14/2020 8:45 PM

left side: you need to get dj for every try here? it's a bit boring gameplay, i would raise the platform. you can add buttons where the dummy is, so if you accidentally go into the hookthrough (because of lag or anything), you wont be fail.

Animefan 10/14/2020 8:46 PM

left side: can you add a back tele? i hit cp 4 and was fail. then this part was too easy compared to the others? it looks like the part was harder before and you nerfed it? xD

Animefan 10/14/2020 8:47 PM

the whole part: idk it felt a bit random. i know the map is about stuff like this, but it didn't work always for me. i guess that's the prize you pay for pullers :x can you add unhookables at the yellow thing? it felt weird bumping into them. ofc you can keep it like this, but i don't see why xD

Animefan 10/14/2020 8:48 PM

the whole part was weird for me, am i supposed to rocketfly? am i supposed to throw my dummy into tp and then randomly catch him in the middle? also you should add unfreeze xD

Soapy Sandwich 10/15/2020 11:04 AM

Thanks for the test Welf

Image 1: Added switch and raised platform Image 2: Added back tp to both sections and un-nerfed the part Image 3: Removed more unhookable above the marked yellow section Image 4: You shouldn't fall into where you are there so not sure if i should add unfreeze there. It is a rocket fly part. during the fly the dummy gets pulled away from you and you must regrab and continue the fly.

Thanks again

Soapy Sandwich 10/15/2020 11:04 AM
Animefan 10/15/2020 11:34 AM

You don't need to rocketfly? I was able to throw my dummy, then rj to the right and then start the rocketfly. The puller made me think that rocketfly is wrong, because come on it was dragging my dummy away xD

Soapy Sandwich 10/15/2020 11:51 AM

Yeah but it gives dummy back XD its kind like that XD

Freezy 10/15/2020 12:52 PM

The part is fine like that, I saw people try it in different ways but that shouldn‘t really matter since these are most likely more difficult than the original way

Animefan 10/15/2020 1:32 PM

yeah it's okay, i was just pointing out that the structure will/might lead to a bit confusion, but it's playable

Soapy Sandwich 10/15/2020 8:25 PM

True, I guess I feel there is a fine line between good and bad confusion. I often really enjoy maps that are confusing as solving the parts can be quite rewarding.

Just not 100% sure what makes confusing parts fun.

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:41 PM

I'm sorry wtf

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:42 PM
Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:42 PM
Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:42 PM
Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:42 PM

I see it's intended, but why...

Cøke 10/19/2020 11:53 PM

Turn OpenGL on and off

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:54 PM

?

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:54 PM
Cøke 10/19/2020 11:55 PM

It's OpenGL bug, but already requested

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:55 PM

what's that bug

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:56 PM

The offset is wrong I guess?

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:59 PM

ok, this part is bugged

Дядя Женя 10/19/2020 11:59 PM

I can't undestand exactly what's going on here and what's an intended way to do this part

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:00 AM

but it bugged for me

Cøke 10/20/2020 12:00 AM

Turn opengl on or off and look at it again

Cøke 10/20/2020 12:00 AM

😄

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:00 AM

no no

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:00 AM

I mean gameplay

Cøke 10/20/2020 12:02 AM

It is a rocket fly part. during the fly the dummy gets pulled away from you and you must regrab and continue the fly. Like soapy sandwich already said

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:03 AM

this part seems complicated

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:03 AM

to figure out

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:08 AM

yes, unfreeze is needed here

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:09 AM
Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:10 AM

And I also think you can make it unfailable too

Дядя Женя 10/20/2020 12:10 AM

ofc stoppers needs to be more downwards

Soapy Sandwich 10/20/2020 2:31 AM
Soapy Sandwich 10/20/2020 2:34 AM

Thanks for the test

@Дядя Женя

, tweeked rocket fly part to make rocket fly seem a bit clearer XD

Didn't fix the bushes floating cause they look good to me XD Is there any way I could prevent that graphic bug from happening?

JimmyJazzThe1st 11/10/2020 8:24 AM

hhhh release xD

louis 11/13/2020 2:53 PM
louis 11/13/2020 2:53 PM
louis 11/13/2020 2:53 PM
louis 11/13/2020 2:53 PM
  1. unfreeze on ground?
louis 11/13/2020 2:53 PM
  1. uh maybe 2 more unfreeze to the right, i overshot it some times
louis 11/13/2020 2:53 PM
  1. switch in tele?
DarkOort 11/14/2020 2:27 PM

Really fun map but there are some problem for me :

  • I think you should mark every cp
  • Mark at the beginning that tele with heart = back way
  • CP 1 : Fun to play nothing to say on it (just that you don't need speed to put dummy in CP 66)
  • CP 2/3/4 : ok
  • CP 5 : Really Fun
  • CP 6 : The good way was hard to find but it was fun (Maybe put rocket ~2 tile down ?). Mark that the dummy need to go in tele 9 at the end
  • CP 10 : Looks unbalanced to me I couldn't do it
  • CP 14 : Ok
  • CP 15 : Platform of respawn is too small. I think the part is unbalanced (too easy), but still fun to play it
  • CP 17 : Platform of respawn is too small. Couldn't not do the part (looks bad mapped), maybe I didn't get the right way to do it
  • CP 19 : Platform of respawn is too small !! Fun to play
  • CP 22 : Platform of respawn is too small and the throw is annoying
  • CP 23/24/27 : Ok
  • CP 29 : Hard but fun
  • CP 35 : 20 minutes to find the beginning xD. Part is not really good (annoying hook)
  • CP 36/43/50 : Really Fun !
DarkOort 11/14/2020 2:27 PM
DarkOort 11/14/2020 2:27 PM

I haven't yet looked to see if there are any errors in the switches

Soapy Sandwich 11/30/2020 5:28 PM

Thanks for the tests

@louis

and

@DarkOort

,

Louis: I did all your suggestions.

DarkOort: -I only marked cp's that are important for the player to know about. -Added sign saying heart is back at first back tele. -CP1 I'm ok with not needing speed for part one. -CP6 Added more marking for dummy to go into tele, lowered rocket by 1 and only kept rocket on wall to encourage players to do it a easier way. -CP10 its not that hard of a part imo I can send a demo of it maybe? -CP15 Platform bigger, removed CP17 to combine both parts so there is no platform at cp17 anymore. Replace blue tp with red tp at cp17 to make it line up easier. Had to do a low hammer in the past to get over in time. -CP19 Platform bigger -CP22 Added a cp for dummy so you dont have to do the initial throw anymore -CP35 Part starts off the same way but removed the annoying hook, it is a lot easier now so adjusted it's ending slightly.

Дядя Женя 12/21/2020 4:48 AM

Any news about the map? I'm really looking forward to the release, had a lot of fun playing this one

murpi 03/09/2021 6:56 PM

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

murpi 03/09/2021 6:58 PM
murpi 03/09/2021 6:58 PM

you're unable to hook your dummy if you fall into the "you can't hook others" tile then in tele

Soapy Sandwich 03/10/2021 12:17 AM

Sorry murpi didn't mean to ruin your day man 😦 Added hook.

Cøke 03/18/2021 5:27 PM

u can just go this way, without doing the part

Cøke 03/18/2021 5:29 PM

u can leave it if u dont care

Cøke 03/19/2021 11:57 PM

close this pls, red=unhook, green=tele, blue=arrow

Soapy Sandwich 03/20/2021 1:38 AM

Made changes to part 19 to remove skip. For the rocket fly, I didn't want to remove the fly in that section by closing the box the dummy is in so I made the skip harder instead but it should still be possible as a speedrun strat. Hope that is ok 🙂

Sorah 05/23/2021 1:18 PM
Sorah 05/23/2021 1:18 PM

still buggy bush in HT

Lwai 05/23/2021 1:33 PM

good map why not release

Soapy Sandwich 05/24/2021 9:20 PM

You have a good eye

@Sorah

XD Fixed the bushes

PopCorn181 06/21/2021 5:47 PM
@Soapy Sandwich

bush

Soapy Sandwich 06/21/2021 7:31 PM

is it worth fixing that or should we just decline now XD thanks

@PopCorn181

ill go fix

Soapy Sandwich 06/21/2021 7:52 PM
Sorah 06/25/2021 1:50 PM

off switch 12 not marked

Sorah 06/25/2021 1:54 PM

don't like that you throw the dummy in somewhere but have no idea where he comes out you have that atleast twice

Sorah 06/25/2021 1:55 PM

sometimes you mark checkpoints sometimes you don't should keep it consistent as possible

Sorah 06/25/2021 1:57 PM
Sorah 06/25/2021 1:57 PM
Sorah 06/25/2021 1:58 PM

used 2 different tiles for

Sorah 06/25/2021 2:00 PM

mixed again with endlesshook off and collision off isn't marked either

Sorah 06/25/2021 2:05 PM

what is this switch for ? once you get there switch 9 doesn't matter anymore

Sorah 06/25/2021 2:08 PM

here it is suddenly used for hookblockers one tile to mark 3 different things is not nice

Deleted User 06/25/2021 2:19 PM

i have some screenshots too (didn't finish my test yet but since we are at it anyway i will just post them)

Deleted User 06/25/2021 2:20 PM

can you put unfreeze on the platform or remove the freeze on the ceiling? when you are unlucky and go into tp at the same time at your dummy you might bump into freeze

Deleted User 06/25/2021 2:20 PM

can you add unfreeze?

Deleted User 06/25/2021 2:21 PM

this cp was very confusing to me, not marked and it's like a random checkpoint. maybe you have an idea how to make it more obvious what will happen

Deleted User 06/25/2021 2:22 PM

i hammered my dummy into this tele and it didn't feel good 😅

Deleted User 06/25/2021 2:23 PM

that puller on the bottom was hooking me when i tried to do the part (i used grenade to get more downwards momentum), can you add laser blockers above it (or something compareable)?

Sorah 06/25/2021 9:36 PM
@Pulsar

stop with unnecessary reactions to my message if its only to bother me.

murpi 06/25/2021 9:37 PM

^ actual warning, please refrain from spamming reactions. It unnecessarily extends the chat which makes everything difficult to read

Soapy Sandwich 06/28/2021 2:37 PM

Thanks

@Sorah

and @Deleted User for the test

Sorah: Marked switch 12 Marked important teleport locations Checkpoints are only marked if they are important for the player to know about them. Went through map fixing all the symbols. At teleport 10 losing endless marked because it isn't important for the player to know. Switch 9 makes the previous part less faily incase you fall in.

jkjk: Added unfreeze. Random checkpoint I am not sure how to mark in a nice clear way. I think it won't cause much trouble though. Not sure how to make hammering dummy into tele not feel bad xD Added blockers above the puller

Deleted User 06/28/2021 2:42 PM

I thought about moving that tele 1 to the left (deleting 1 hookable), but didn't write it down since i assumed it's obvious, sorry 😅

Soapy Sandwich 06/28/2021 4:16 PM

Didn't really wanna get rid of hookable either

Sorah 07/08/2021 4:32 PM
Sorah 07/08/2021 4:32 PM
PopCorn181 07/08/2021 4:35 PM

bush :/

PopCorn181 07/08/2021 4:36 PM

in this area

PopCorn181 07/08/2021 4:37 PM

3 here

Sorah 07/08/2021 4:42 PM
Sorah 07/08/2021 4:42 PM

this door at the stoppers doesn't have the circle around it

Sorah 07/08/2021 4:42 PM

maybe you wanna add it ?

Sorah 07/08/2021 4:45 PM

there are 2 other "doors" at the beginning which doesn't have them either but those are freeze lasers so idk what your rule is for that

Soapy Sandwich 07/12/2021 2:39 AM

Fixed the design issues, didn't add circles on lasers, only the doors. Also wasn't sure what the error was with your first 2 screenshots

@PopCorn181

, did fix the 3rd one though.

Thanks for the tests.

Akoska 07/12/2021 5:09 AM

he found a bush bug (1st pic) in that part (2nd pic)

PopCorn181 07/12/2021 1:07 PM

that 3rd picture was rly fcked xD

Soapy Sandwich 07/12/2021 8:37 PM
@Akoska

Don't see the bug XD As far as I can see there is nothing wrong there.

Soapy Sandwich 07/12/2021 8:38 PM
@PopCorn181

slightly but really doesn't look that bad imo. although it feels like you think any holes in bushes are an error XD

Deleted User 07/12/2021 8:43 PM

in 2 months this map will hit the 1 year mark

Soapy Sandwich 07/13/2021 1:21 AM

not sure why it moved to the bottom of the list?

lynn 07/13/2021 1:30 AM

yea what the heck

Deleted User 07/13/2021 1:30 AM

i assume the bot did stuff

Deleted User 07/13/2021 1:31 AM

or someone did comments and deleted them

lynn 07/13/2021 1:34 AM

the bot had its frontal lobe removed so i doubt it is capable

Sorah 07/13/2021 1:56 AM

this to test something with the broken bot

Deleted User 07/13/2021 1:57 AM
@Soapy Sandwich

this answer was for you

Arrow 07/13/2021 2:25 AM

suns in unfreeze are no needed?

Sorah 07/13/2021 2:40 AM

no

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:15 AM

edge,cp4

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:16 AM

cp 6

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:17 AM

cp 12

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:18 AM

cp 15 maybe

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:19 AM

+

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:20 AM

cp 19

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:23 AM

cp 24

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:25 AM

cp 43

Ciniminix 07/16/2021 8:26 AM

50

Soapy Sandwich 07/20/2021 3:31 AM

Thanks

@Ciniminix

fixed all the bugs you found.

Patiga 07/20/2021 9:01 AM
Patiga 07/20/2021 9:01 AM
Patiga 07/20/2021 9:02 AM

these stoppers are not rotated correctly

Patiga 07/20/2021 9:08 AM

(they were mirrored at some point, instead of only rotated)

Soapy Sandwich 07/21/2021 11:21 PM

Fixed the stoppers thanks

@Patiga
lynn 07/21/2021 11:24 PM

is this already an issue in github?

lynn 07/21/2021 11:24 PM

seems intuitive to make this work

Patiga 07/21/2021 11:24 PM

not sure

JimmyJazzThe1st 07/24/2021 12:04 PM

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. What's next.

Knuski 07/24/2021 11:07 PM

checkpoint here needs to be marked

Cøke 07/24/2021 11:33 PM

missing light?

Knuski 07/24/2021 11:42 PM

$waiting

JimmyJazzThe1st 07/25/2021 6:43 PM

Coke i love the gif xDDD

Thanks guys i will have a ready version for you tomorrow.

Cøke 07/27/2021 1:13 PM

Okay

@JimmyJazzThe1st
Soapy Sandwich 07/28/2021 3:59 AM

Jimmy forgot to yell at me to fix. Done the changes.

Knuski 07/28/2021 11:37 AM

$optimize

DDNet 07/28/2021 11:37 AM
Knuski 07/28/2021 11:37 AM

$ready 3

PopCorn181 07/28/2021 2:59 PM
stompie 08/08/2021 11:18 AM

release on 14 August!

Cøke 08/08/2021 11:42 AM

i think no

Cøke 08/08/2021 11:43 AM

a dummy map was released yesterday, other servers will be added first

TearlessAbyss46 08/08/2021 1:19 PM

release on 19 September for 1year anniversary of being posted

I.K.U 08/08/2021 1:45 PM

release on 2022 September 19 for 2 year anniversary of being posted!

Akoska 08/08/2021 9:03 PM

Don’t release!

JimmyJazzThe1st 08/09/2021 11:35 AM

1 Year anniversary. LOL.

perrodecerro 09/11/2021 6:08 PM

nice fail

texnonik 09/11/2021 6:11 PM

Hook and hammer

perrodecerro 09/11/2021 6:12 PM

dont work

Genex 09/11/2021 7:13 PM
@JimmyJazzThe1st

nice design bug lul?

Genex 09/11/2021 7:14 PM

down left

Genex 09/11/2021 7:14 PM
JimmyJazzThe1st 09/11/2021 8:35 PM

Thats soapy. I didnt do those changes.

JimmyJazzThe1st 09/11/2021 8:36 PM

But yeah doesnt affect gameply, still weird xD

Genex 09/12/2021 1:04 AM

xd

Cøke 09/12/2021 11:32 AM
@Genex

i am always looking where the bug is in your screenshots, next time only 1 screenshot and marked what you mean. should not be so hard

Cøke 09/12/2021 11:35 AM

There are a few bugs and 'cheats' but you picked the one that is the most pointless XD would not even be worth a mention for me

Genex 09/12/2021 3:20 PM

Still a bug ^^

murpi 09/14/2021 7:37 AM
@Soapy Sandwich

Dummy needs to touch startline, please send me a fixed version asap

murpi 09/14/2021 8:02 AM
murpi 09/14/2021 8:02 AM

thanks