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close the map here it's cheatable

same here

2 up is cheatable

this is cheatable and way easier

cheatable

-2 up = cheatable in yellow -red having only 1 coord (not the wall) for the hammer kinda sucks, tell me if you have another way.

this hook kinda sucks : in bleu, if you run with the hook you die in the kill tile in yellow, if you dont run, you are very slow and you need a rly tight timing for the rls or you die

nvm i find a good way

this type of jump is boring af

depend on which coord you are, you can run and hit the wall

kinda weird to have this freeze pillar on the structure

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its dj after hit

everything fixed and nerfed

how to most of parts

is this just hostile3 but not really

Ah y

late dj = death, idk if it need a change,it kinda suck in real run but it's easy to dj

it's even easier to cheat now just take the old version and add a kill tile upper

pls change this it's just not fun to play

$waiting

I would say, insane 2*

is it intentionally named necropolice?

and not necropolis

no

yes

tested by

most active testing member, $ready

new tester lets gooo

$change name Necropolis

An internal error occurred

hmm

$change Necropolis

$change map Necropolis

$change name "Necropolis"

$change name Necropolis

$reset

eh i need to reset to change the map name ...

unsolo after finish

start is pretty meh (maybe add unfreezes or 1 sec freezes to make gameplay better so u dont have to wait in freeze all the time), but other than that there is nothing really to change. add /spec otherwise no point for team 0 or is it supposed to be teamforce?

how this part works

ngl but compared to bit 2 (insane 3*) this isnt insane... some stuff need to be pixelperfect otherwise is rip

map is pretty annoying to play

same problem as hostile 3

im not sure if there would be a single player who would enjoy grinding this map for finish

at least one guy liked the map, and few others who played with me

there is nothing near to "pixel perfect"

i agree you wait too much at the start, i will add unfreeze

May be right but it feels like it.

Im talking about grinding the map not about testing the map and liking it

I bet a couple of people liked hostile 3 and it has 4 finishes wich is really low for a 2* insane

hostyle 3 need a rerate, and did u test this map ? it's not the same level

played 50% and saw the last 30%

u missed the best 20%

some unfreeze and improvements added

mark the unfreezes

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Is it so important? Any marking i try looks disgusting

just try to do them in some way ig

hm I agree some of the marks look kinda weird, what u think

should be ready after this

I check tomorrow, i'm not at home rn

Oh you guys want to release this? Don't get me wrong, I don't think this map is bad but I think in comparison to Hostile 3 it's lacking in quality and even Hostile 3 was only played by Cor and me (and paradise and Broke for money but I don't think that counts right here) Hostile 3 was a big flop and this one's quite obviously worse (if that's just subjective let me know but I don't think so) I would probably play it but it didn't seem like a good map that the community would enjoy

hmm relatively easier map but I agree kinda, maybe /spec can make it better so people would play it in team0 idk?

In my opinion these tight precise kill tile movements and advanced map length just don't go hand in hand and therefore make an issue

For example Hostile 1/2 were such kind of tight kill tile maps and those were rather fine An example for the other way around would be Adrenaline maps - those were also quite popular due to their lenght and fair failiness Hostile 3 combined both and therefore was way less appealing to the community

Yea I mean agree, map would be way better with freeze/killtile mix more imo. idk it's hard one

I feel like start is already pretty meh enough same goes to hostile 3 so no1 would play this in team 0 ig

I totally agree, either that or split it or something

I mean I'd really enjoy some more maps for the hardcore players but I don't think this one fits there quite yet

yeah or it would be played in team 0 the way Hostile 3 was and I don't think this should be the goal

Nah even if i agree about the quality, the map is way easier, that mean more team would play it, and t0 can be inresting here. The problem of "who play hostyle3" is more like, who can play it, it need good sync between the players, no error, and advanced skill, that why i think it's ok to rls this one, it's an easier version .

I don't think easier difficulty justifies that Especially I don't think the testing system is designed to have easier maps require lower quality standards (obviously even more important if it's similar to maps that didn't get good feedback) Anyway, I don't really think this map is that much easier As far as I can see 2 ppl want to release it and 2 ppl (IKU and Savalic are against it) - I don't really mind what happens to this map but there should probably be some more opinions about this

No, i was justifying the number of player by the difficulty of hostyle 3. But i understand that points, maybe it need a vote in tester channel.

Just wanted to point out that I think the overall quality of the map could easily be higher by not just being punishing kill tile spam or if so, splitting the map and therefore be much more appealing to the community (I still hope this is being released tho)

Thank you for considering that :D

Oh I forgot to mention Tested the map with the mapper yesterday and he agreed to do some changes (restructuring of the start, QoL fixes (including stuff that doesn’t work properly), perhaps also cheat fixes if he wants to prevent those)

Map will probably be a banger after this 🔥 But I think you can put it in waiting for mapper for now

ty

for letting us know 😄

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Literally this First of all i think maps like these need to have a playthrough attached in testing channel cuz right now 2-4 ppl actually spent (more like wasted tbh) time to test the parts and make their opinion on the map Secondly if anything, Hostile 3 shouldve been the lesson about absurdly faily and long insane maps - that is no one actually wants to play them (when rerate btw? making it 4-5 would not only encourage more players but also not overrate the difficulty of other insane 2 maps). And for what little testing i could do (just literally spectating the map lol) this one is way way longer than hostile 3 but more consistent So basically what will happen on release: everyone joins the map -> sees that its the same as hostile 3 -> leaves

Also what happened to the whole "not annoying" thing? From what i can see only 2 players actually enjoyed it (who are basically gods of ddnet btw) then 2 also very skilled players didnt and everyone else probably did the same thing that will happen to this map on release, so in the end it all comes back to the map not having a video Even if Im not good enough to play and test the map myself I can at least see how consistent the parts are just by looking at their completion

good take 👍

hostile3 3-4* tough definetly not 5

Lastly what the fuck is this? Is this map really on the same level as falling down, hellcore, etc? This is literally hostile 3 situation except weve seen the future this time

k fair since im not that good, but judging from finishes 4* perhaps

hostile 3 will be rerate as 3*

and this map is easy

insane 2 is good

hardest insane 2* i suppose

removed boring parts at start, changed 1 part, improved few parts

skip

fix

f

timecps fixed

Tested with the mapper, some QoL fixes, unintuitive part fixes and ensuring proper working of each part + some design aspects were addressed

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^

little changes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjRcQWCqIco&ab_channel=DoShik%2a

thanks for actually listening

while i still think its not 2* and some parts are too faily, at least like 95% of the map is cool

qol: i think here u can add kill tiels.

how is that a quality of life

Dw he only got expelled from trial testers because of his english

i dont think it's a good idea, they is many way to pass the part, and you can use this spot for it. it's always cool to have many ways to play a map/part

You'll find out how to do this part quicker

if the ways had the same level of difficulty, I'd agree with you. in this situation better close other ways. it's just my pov

what u mean?

if top guy has weak and jumps a little bit later than instant it will cause the part to not work

hammering here isn't as consistent as it should at least be and will sometimes lead to not even work and just hitting the killtile so please remove the upper killtile

too precise to let go off the hook because you need to hold just a tiny bit longer so you touch the wall. an extra tile would be appropriate there

remove this tile for quality of life

it is bad that you can even fail this jump if you jump too late

sometimes still fail

hammer is based on practicing and weird timing which is bad as a normal hammer just kills you

$waiting

i don't think it's so hard

what do you mean? falling into spikes? or the hook after?

i marked it on the ss

if you jump a little bit too late (red mark) you will bounce differently and from that position holding hook+D will cause fail

otherwise its perfect setup, just not for that case

if you enable /spec it would be fine tho

it's also much easier with strong hook

still qol change

hold d?

obviously

i'm pretty sure it's consistent enough

also not so hard, just a bit of practice

everything changed, except screenshots 2,3,4,7, pauseable added

I think you’re terribly misunderstanding something here. It’s not about wether you as mapper can do the part somewhat consistently or not.

The stuff pointed out is the bare minimum you’re supposed to fix and there will be yet more to come.

Regarding the 2 videos you posted: It doesn’t matter whether you can pull it off consistently, it’s just not necessary to map it that precise and weird and thereby force everyone who wants to play the map to practice it in and out.

This right here isn’t a wishing well and we are trying to make your map better and get it into a releasable state so I don’t quite know what this is about.

Please consider having a look at the above-mentioned feedback again and if not feel free to have another tester test the map if you think they‘d see it differently, as we are not putting it to ready then

idk meng no teamfinish is wild

this is ok, u need hame last second

im aware of that

all fixed

Include a changelog after uploading map updates (preferably with screenshots).

Include a changelog alongside your map updates (preferably with screenshots).

the solo at the end is way too punishing considerung u just went through miles of killtiles already and u are probably nervous as hell

the parts themselves are okayish

didnt blow me away

i dont really like this map but i dont like these hostile style maps to begin with

just imo

i think the hostile series is enough of tight kill tile maps for me xd

also this map has many "skip ways" where the skip way is easier and more intuitive than the actual way of the parts lol

for example: this isnt the real way even tho it seems way more intuitive to me

Include a changelog alongside your map updates (preferably with screenshots).

spawn skip better fix

talked with mapper $decline

Your map submission has been declined.

Wait a minute? Why did you decline? He fixed it so this map releasable, no?

He talked with the mapper and declined it so they talked about it and the mapper knows i guess ^^

I talked to the mapper and he said testers declined because discord ran out of channels.

testers wanted to clean up some maps and my map isn't that good for release so i'm fine with the decline

But u know why ur map bad? I just want to make sure you don't make the same mistakes on the next map.

it's not too bad, but there is some problems with structure and parts

if testers really had some opinion about map and decided to decline, i'm not gonna "fight" for release