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Hey guys. The map is balanced around groups of ~4 people, but can be played with 2 for an extra challenge.

The beginning is mapped so that a start in team 0 works fine.

remove this 1 tile hole. its rlly annoying

add unfreeze at totelecp 1 cheatable. just go up

more unfreeze

cheatable

unfreeze

more unfreze

u dont even need the rocket. just throw your mate into unfreeze

more unfreeze

add 1 more shield shotgun is cheatable

rlly nice map. i like it

I agree with the unfreeze parts to add more flow and shorten the waiting time! To the cheatable parts you claimed: they were all intended for speedrunners and its fun to explore these little ,,shortcuts'' :)

Oh besides that shotgun shield bug, that needs to be fixed

I think the cheats should be fixed too

the first parts are really good, later the maps is still good, but the layout of the parts gets a little bit weird. tested with

, told him some stuff to fix

Thanks to

and

for testing. I updated the map.

everything not gameplay relevant -> HD

first part cheatable

I think the map is not bad, but a little unbalanced ... you have mixed novice moderate and brutal parts

u can get frozen after the unfreeze here if u dont move out of the way so idk id fix it

too faily imo

skippable

actually both can just go below lol

what's the point of having parts here if you can skip any "interesting" thing

The point is to have multiple ways so that tees can spread in t0.

You can skip more on that part than your screen shows.^^

also you don't really miss out on anything great by going a different path here I actually liked the openness there

well you're missing out on the one actual part placed there

actually if you block a couple ways you could have quite a nice 2p gameplay there

Which part are you talking about, sry I don't understand?^^

The map is designed for groups not for 2p.

I was just saying that instead of a bunch of stuff that won't get played, you could have some actual gameplay there. I wouldn't count on this map getting played by so many people that the first part needs 5 ways

People will take the way that fits better for them, i don't see a problem there because it still needs some skill to do the part either way. Actually quite nice gameplay design

The thing is ravie doesnt like cheats or alternative ways

Yep, its his opinion, thats fine, everyone has different opinions i guess :)

I think to myself : why bother with 2 ways of folders if you only use the short way anyway. But I'm OK with that :)

Thanks to everyone who tested the map. I made a few cuts a bit harder.

u can get frozen after the unfreeze here if u dont move out of the way so idk id fix it

Well...stay active then. :P

too faily imo

It's 100%, if you do it right and there is an option to save in groups.

well every part is 100% if u do it correctly f(._. )z

:D I ment if you do the right order of movements. There is a big buffer.

I am unsure about the rating of such a map, the parts are 80% moderate... It seems as if you want to achieve brutal status by easy faily parts

Imo it is higher mod in groups and lower brutal in 2p. Idk how you rate this.

For myself I always rate map according to how many people it is possible with

I think if maps were judged by how easy they were in t0. then the whole rating system would be broken

It seems as if you want to achieve brutal status by easy faily parts

The goal was to engage group play. So there are many possibilities and ways to save or do stuff easier in groups.

You're right, most of the maps are easy to use in large groups

On the other hand there are a lot of cuts for pros to speedrun, which require skill significantly above the map's difficulty. So there should be some challenge for different kind of players.

I have not seen any cuts where you need a lot of skill

I do, but I won't spoil them.

Maybe we just evaluate the cuts differently, but if cuts are explicitly desired they can of course be

Sure, with different skill level some stuff might be easier or harder. That's subjective.^^

During the cut in part 1 you acted as if you didn't realise how easy it is

That one was just dumb, I fixed it. :D

Now you should require more than 2 tees to cut it.

Maybe we should rename it ,,The Way(s) Around'' 😁

bad visible logo without HD

entities off missing at the story on spawn

map looks fun and not claustrophobic

Thanks for your detailed test,

. Will take a look at it.

bad visible logo without HD

said everything needs to be HD which isn't needed. So half of the map does not look as supposed without HD.

I always disagree with him

I hate so naked maps where HD and non-HD is totally different designs

I like to keep small subtle details non-HD

like something in background, non disturbing doodads

I think it should be everything on hd that is not gameplay relevant. This has always been the case, why should every mapper randomly decide what is hd and what is not. I will keep this rule because I think it makes sense

There are no right rules for many things, so you do it the way it was said

This has not always been the case. The official rules even state something different. 😅

When jao was the testing leader he at least said so

and I always asked mappers to keep things like clouds, fog, one layer of stars...

hd = for better fps

but still want design?

A cave bg doesn't matter for fps. But a transparent generic unhook bg, does.

So the latter needs to be HD.

At least that's how I understand the rules, which I myself wrote. 😅

and I will stick to my rule :o

which also is - logo must not be HD

ye, with

's argument logo and such would need to be HD, too.

If it is spread over the whole map yes

I use entities for this map anyway because the design is not playable

I use entities for this map anyway because the design is not playable every map

hd isnt for bad fps its for when u want to see design without unneccessary stuff

so coke wins

"supplementary decorative layers that may appear messy or that may cause a significant FPS drop should be marked as 'Detail' in the editor."

I use entities for this map anyway because the design is not playable

Why do you bother about a bit cave bg and a few grass-doodads then?

Can we just stick to the rules and do not start a useless discussion about a few doodads, pls?

btw this design needs more contrast

you mean it should be more colorful?

no its just hard to see freeze against the dark bg

idk everything is a little dark

oh ye thats what we noticed to so whe played with the contrast a bit before🧐

too*

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/777505719716806666/777946035958841444 Yes, to force hf.

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/777505719716806666/777946058340040715 For people falling down from the above part. Starkiller suggested it, but maybe this one is a bit overkill.

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/777505719716806666/777946065659232277 If you swap the part the guy with cp6 will run through the cp5 so that to-tele work properly. It's only for special cases anyway and I made it that short to not have a messy screen.

I SAW IT

Small graphic fix for the logo (

🙃 )

All non-gameplay relevant decorations should be marked as 'detail' in the editor. Map credits are excluded.

Discuss the rule internally, pls. I just follow the rules.

I don't want to hear from every snd tester a different opinion about the rules, it's annoying.

https://discordapp.com/channels/252358080522747904/777505719716806666/778347615057084477 copied from the rules

Thanks for finally making it clear. I hope you just forgot to add the exceptions for the Logo or to state that a bg quad is needed (not needed for gameplay, but for non DDNet-Clients).

I edited the map with these exceptions and hope it's fine.

i think something like this is clear or not? at least you notice it yourself when you test your map

Two minor changes for graphical reasons.

The map should be (close to) be ready.

$ready 2

$ban

Well, the map is ready and only requires a Tester to post that ready command. Thus, it would be nice if one could do so.

❤️

Why i wrote ban ?

cp5 still missing

weird to tele placing here

missing unfreeze design here

I assume that you do not care about the cheats and skips?

It's still not missing.

What's wrong there?

Not needed.

The stupid ones should be fixed by now.

Ok then I will stay away from the map, if it is made ready by someone else I will reset it unless my points have been followed

If the mapper knows everything better I don't waste any more time

Coke is right

lmao

Are you mad, because other people have different opinions?

You are talking about very minor stuff. The map is ready for release since 1.5 months.

The only thing you need to do is that "$ready" thingy.

as you think, then wait for it

You dont actually need this cp's here. why double cp 6 if both cp 6 and 5 takes you at the same place. You can remove those.

yes delete it or set cp5 all the way up

Yeah that's basically correct. I added them for very rare cases where people want to switch parts. Then they will run through cp5 automatically. If not, nothing is wrong. Also it is better if people going back spawn at to 6 instead of to5, so that they wont block the part. tl;dr: totally irrelevant for 99,99% of all players.

there is no need for it because u can still take the tee out if u want to swap. Also what if they dont take cp againbecause its not fully up covered they can jump above it, you never know 🙂

also you wont need that cp further after that part

Then they just spawn at to6. Nothing wrong with that. It's just a minor quality of life for rare cases. You don't need these 3 cp-tiles there at all.

but why cp 5 there and cp 6 at the end xD thats the question you can just remove them both. No need for them at all

For a rare case.

what case? xD

If you swap the part, because top tee is too bad.

then why dont you just keep 1 cp?

with cp5 is enough

If the bottom tee spawns on the bottom it can jump into the part.

anyway, its just confusing. Better to keep only cp 5 so both just respawn top and thats it, there is no need for cp 6 at all

It is confusing if you go in entities and do a deep analysis of the part.

$waiting

What are you waiting for? 😅

You should know that pressuring the staff will only work against you

haha, I think you don't know what $waiting is.

I know its waiting for mapper

And you attacked the only active tester so you just fuck yourself over

So you will get treated how you treat others if you a dick they will be Dicks back its just how everything works

Maybe you like abusive relationships but this is not the right platform for that

lmao he just asked why it get waiting satus

status*

u act like he said go kys or something

Before he was agressive

Normaly you get waiting status when someone isnt working On the map for 1 month

Well Ama i think u overreacted a little bit here😅 Unfortunately Hi_leute and I dont have the time atm for fixes and changes on this map. I would be grateful if someone continues on this otherwise feel free to decline this.

i mean even if the changes are minor it should be changed to make map look better and be better ^^ Edit: Also like 60-70% of ppl plays in entities so...

I didnt overreact i dont care about your map really hi leute asked why its waiting

So if you wanna decline go for it

Okay now i know that you dont care about this map👍, but thats actually out of context. And i didnt said that i ,want' this to be declined as you can see in my Message 🙂 but from now on, im going to 🤐

ok i need a clear answer, are u fixing the map or should i decline?

its really not that hard to change the position of 2 teles, add more cp and maybe mark the unfreeze as coke mentioned

this ^

You now have 60 days to fix, if nothing happens the automatic decline comes, if a new map is uploaded without fixes, just so the decline doesn't come I do it manually.

🍿

its not auto decline, just archived

https://tenor.com/view/after-saw-let-the-game-begin-gif-16912204

bruh the auto decline

its coming

oh no

1 month later...........

1 more to go for auto decline 😄

https://tenor.com/view/saw-jigsaw-gif-11055320

I totally missed that hi leute has Something in testing

@gamertyp lol rq

https://tenor.com/view/your-choice-decision-you-choose-your-pick-your-verdict-gif-15725646

6 more days before the map dies

oh shit

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-plotting-evil-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-gif-3501874

bye bye map

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/714294752429998205.gif?v=1

Saw really is patient

release the update

The bot does not work if someone constantly writes something here

$decline

it works like it should

it will not delete it now either if people are still active in the channel

noo