https://ddnet.tw/testmaps/?map=LearnToPlay

we noticed that the 1 star novice maps are too hard for absolutely beginners. for all maps you need a pro who has to help. therefore we made a novice map for beginners. We tested this map with our beginners friends and adjusted it to them. this map will probably be boring for everyone here but it is meant for beginners to practice. we think novice 0 stars so it can be found more easily but 1 point for motivation.

what if you dont have a friend

right

these labels are useless even for novice players

first half of the map is 1-2 novice, second half is 3-4. Idk is it good or bad

no all very easy we tested this map with beginners

no novice players, absolut teeworlds newbies

little design bug fix

corner bug fix 😄

jetpack cheat fix

"Infinity jump"

"Shot your friend"

Test for grammar and not for gameplay maybe

nerf ninja part pls

Maybe just show the usage of shields and the ability to ninja through gates

Also can we have a good design for the potentially most basic map ?

I will fix tomorrow

It was important for us to choose a simple design without anything that could distract you

ninja part is fine!

the hookable helps

Ok but I think this part need one more information

maybe add solo for jetpack and endless jump part

why blue tele ? 😄

feels good

new and more informations

ninja part nerf

new bg

😄

spam

maybe you could outline why this map exactly is good for beginners in your opinion

1. no rehook
2. no catch
3. you do not need a reaction 4.stopper prevent you from failing 5.simple design

small bg bug fix

love the design

its the perfect introductory map

yea jao, if you played with absolute beginners, even kobra, and epix is hard for them

i feel like this map teaches you

maybe you could explain why you feel like that

🤔

oh so jao actually read testing channels, he just doesnt care that a map is waiting 3 years to be released

xd

jao explain it yourself. look at other novice maps under 3 stars

a lot of fixes, thx lady saavik

🤔

tbh its true that we lack actual novice maps, and since we will probably never have a proper tutorial i can see such maps being useful (even tho we dont need too many of them coz they are truly only useful once for a player)

that one is decent coz it introduces several key mechanics for ddrace and has a good difficulty scaling

freeze friend => frozen friend

and i would put "hold d+jump" rather than "press d+space" since people might change the jumping hotkey and "press d" might confuse people into trying to time the input with the lazer shot

ok i fix it tomorrow 🙂

Maybe change it to hold right+jump then, for people who rebind right?

informations fix

hmm idk.. I changed it to "hold d+jump"

I also know few people who play with arrow keys

😮

why they do this shit xD

Arrow keys? here I am

xD

i mean arrow keys if you are left handed

There are keyboards for left handed ppl

thats just wasting money

Why?

maybe they charge you more money for it

hey, i love the concept of an introductory map and i do think ddnet doesnt really offer that map (i assume this map is meant for people who are new to teeworlds)

even though i will list rather many details, pls dont think i dont like the map. i think its really well done :), but it can still be made quite a bit more beginner-friendly

i think that this map is still a bit harsh and confusing in certain parts: gonna list them up enumerated so you can reference my points easily

damn this is a wall of text

oop, posted unfinished

i tested the whole map with newbies 😮

have those newbies played teeworlds before? i had really bad experience combining new players with teeworlds, especially if those new players hadnt played that many games in general

10 years ago

just fng

all of the above points are open for discussion (i should be reachable most of the time), mightve went overboard in some points

i could maybe organize 2 complete newbies to try the map

i really like the background btw

thx

Do you know other maps that are easy like this map?

1 sec

u have to record this newbie play

if we do everything so easily the map gets boring, we just want to explain a few things in ddrace

i like the way

explains stuff, tho it gets wayy to hard too soon

for example the make you throw other tees

is sorta good for drags, but you already require some knowledge

(the 2 maps are mostly good when you have an experienced player with you)

i tryed all 1 star maps with my friend,, we finished 1

this map is not for explain teeworlds, this is for learning

The map should be a little challenge

so its not really for newbies?

ofc for newbies

^^

If you have a little video game understanding it should not be a problem

should the 2 new players that never really have seen teeworlds be able to do it?

they do have quite a lot of experience in games

The map is for learning and not to fall asleep. the map is possible for beginners but a challenge. We also play maps 3-4 times until we finishen them.

should i have the 2 players try the map?

now?

i wanna spec

as soon as i can get them to the map

ok write me if they rdy

i think we play to learn. No matter if you are a pro or a noob 🙂

so if the 2newbies would not get really far, it wouldnt bother you that much?

i hope the 2 have time in half an hour

if you're forced to play it, it does not make sense

No. teeworlds means to try a map several times. when i learned teeworlds i did with noobfilter. I tried noobfilter several hours. and then the map was too heavy for me. if you like this game, do not give up after a try.

if you are interested, it will be much easier

when u forced this 2 ppl.. it make no sens for me

well i asked the players

1. do you have some time right now -> 2. wanna try a beginner map of a game and see how you do?

think that is fair

First you have to find out if you have any desire for the game

^^

would you consider changing the map if they struggle? i dont really want to do this without having an effect

idk the ppl

if you never play after that, it makes no sense

😄

so no?

y, is ok. I want to see how real beginners try this map.

but i will test the map in a few days with a beginner

pls test with a team of 2 beginners

If the two really want to play the game, they can try it

like i said, i dont really wanna do this if it has no effect. is this map now aimed at players who either have a experienced player by their side or have experience themselves?

u dont understand what i said

Show your newbies videos from tw and ask how they find it

if they dont like.. no sens

^^

sry but i aint doing this, i dont want to invest that time

u read the text after posting this map?

no, though you say its for 'absolutely beginners'

I think it's good that you are thinking but if you have no interest in tw, it makes no sense

they are definitely open to trying a new game out

is that enough or no?

ok try it, i add this two ppl and watch what they play after 1 week

🙂

or dont play after it ..

sry, but if you dont commit to changing things if they cant get into this map, the experiment is pointless

u dont understand again

i change when i see they play after this tw

^^

make no sens for me to bring mayflys to this map

^^

mayflys?

ephemera

i dont know what you mean

people who play it once

i mean teeworlds <.<

points 4 and 10 came to my mind while playing the map too

but i think they're difficult to adress without overloading the map with somewhat useless infos

they're newbies not retards

its basic and rather unfaily, figuring some stuff out by urself is what makes people stick to a game

To be honest I've seen better tutorial maps such as the Kobra series and Multimap, if you're onto impression design wise. This has no actual impressions but some interesting parts on it i would say. But how you implement the name "learntoplay" does not exactly shows any improvability by only finishing once. The idea is nice, but i expected more.

tutorial maps xD kobra is for pros

multimap too

but how many newbies did it bring through the releases? a lot apparently

cuz of the impression it did

we wanna make l2p 2,3,4 etc

but first rls this

with more tricks eetc

oh boy if i could develop the map editor, i would make some dark magic and shit

but still nice idea i give that

what u mean

dark magic

i always wanted to implement animation control, so that with a trigger (tunes) i can stop the animations and fast forwarding it

so i can make some texts give life to it and have a very precise control over it

my idea is possible tho but no one understand how it should look like

so ye

ah ok

i got it

i got the same idea

i'll think of it as an animating platform, kinda like how Infclass do with their own teeworlds editor

its nicer but didnt get support for windows

so i cant do that there

???

???

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this is a pain and not something you need to learn as a beginner

can you show the entire part kthx

you have 0 jumps, that's the entire part

oh

yea i kinda agree

though kobra has it too?

that means what?

kobra has 0 jumps part

so why no learn it

its niche

not something you need to learn in your first map

I actually hated that part in kobra when I played it as a noob

same

and still do

ok fixed, added some freeze there

why does this map have so much fps lag

bcs smoke in bg? idk its fine for me

I like the idea of supersimple map for noobs. But this tunnel is way too plain and will be boring for everyone

imo

i would agree

remove the first difficulty of the first two challenges imo

(the very first jump and the 1 tile freeze line jump)

make the very first thing a solo and put one freeze batch without unfreeze and one with unfreeze behind it

solo part just for the first jump thing or the whole beginning like sukas image?

reduce its length and make all of it a solo

and force the jumps so that players dont run into freeze wondering why they cant move anymore

maybe gaps with freeze instead of blocks?

thought about something like that

okay

the first jumps should be doable without dj imo

and maybe turn freeze into tele?

work with 1 jump?

It's the beginning

You also have to learn that you can fail

first parts should be fool proof

ok done, first jumps with tele now

start after solopart

tele fix

second part edit

what now?

?

wait

♾️

first part edit, now ez possible with 1 jump

maybe rename map to like, "LetMeTeachYou"

i don't know

cause i think some new guy would get offended if it says learn to play

it's like saying git gud

idk just an idea

I think thats okay, also never heard someone was offended by For Idiots eg.

oh ok then

Tested with Mike, zelda and jao, good map.

Tested with snail, amazing map, when rls

thx

Next map name idea learntoreleasethemap

^ insane 5*

whats the purpose of the map again

learntoplay

but the map teaches you nothing?

??

its just ddmax parts lol

this is as good as it gets teaching wise

this is not teaching people anything

if you dont know what ninja is u will be confused af

xD

its just weak ddmax map with few text, also its just hooking and it doesnt tech you mechanics like hammer throw, hammer fly etc

youre throwing names at players without explaining anything

i imagine learn to play map as some kind of a boot camp, where it shows you every basic game mechanics and then it challanges you with these mechanics

why do you want to make beginners think that switch markings are teleports

the point is: hf etc way too hard for newbies

stuff like this is also way too hard for newbies

its not hard and its necessarily to progress in game

especially since shields have a bigger hit box than what they look like

this is pretty wack as endless intro part. proper way would be to make a part that forces you to endless hook so that its obvious what it does

its not hard wtf, try kobra with teeworlds beginner xd

having teles like this port you back all the way is just demotivating

its aimed at beginners, they shouldnt have to redo a part for failing another one

thats not teaching anything

this explanation isnt clear

again, proper way would be to force tees to go in the correct order to show them how a bounce works

i would call it learntohook

i also think its wrong to start the map with a hookthrough part especially without introducing what hookthrough is

they're newbies not retards

its called learntoplay tho

before making such a part that requires holding d, you should make one without holding d to show the differences

so u should treat them like retards

so people understand what holding d does instead of just braindead following descriptions

as I said, I have tested all maps for beginners with a beginner and found no feasible

this will legit give them nothing

to make it clear: i dont think the map is generally bad but it fails at being a "learn to play" map

i just want to help the beginners with it ^^

because teeworlds as it is now is not very beginner friendly

if u dont like it , decline it ^^

i dont wanna edit the whole map.. all parts very easy

all parts tested with beginners

u should rework the ninja part

and solo shorter

and i suggest a name change

then it’s probably good to go

ah and the first/second tee description is bad

why change parts and name?

choose one

ninja part edit

short solo part now

idk what u mean about first and second tee part

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/630125061466226720/653693359940042791/unknown.png

better now?

i might use this map to make a tutorial video it is very nice

sure use it

that looks better

even tho first and second tee still sounds wrong

how should I describe it?

just "first" "second" maybe

ok done

wrong placed unfreeze on first cp

map ok now?

??

honestly not a very good novice imo, difficulty is definitely above 1* and there are already some much better made maps in lower half of novice. also a map that looks like this should at least have good fps

As I said, I tested all novice map with beginners

1 - 2 maps ok for beginners but hard

Put an achievement when beginner finish the map xd

Imagine achivements for teeworlds

'd be cool

it was planned reaaaally long ago by deen

achievements on profile

sadly never got finished iirc

i would reserve the map name for a better map

did some minor changes/improvements

good to go from my side

$ready 2

omg finally

🥰

why not novice 1 ?

the point of this it is the easiest map

harder than 1*

then change map name

the map name isnt "the 1star novice map"

It's not a good map to "learn to play" has moves and features no new player can figure out on his own

👺

i would agree, the map is more about having someone else show you how to get through it

The probability of someone completely new playing this is very low anyway

well thats the thing

if a new player is looking for a entry point, 'learntoplay' sounds like the logical place to start

This was my idea patuga 😁

Patiga

This is not learn to play teeworlds, it's learn to play ddrace

With simple ddrace features

the name doesn’t matter

a total beginner wont be able to search for it anyways

and the map is still very easy

Again, can we make this default map on empty novice servers?

please

Nice idea

it’s not that good for total beginners, so no

i know my new name of map : learntobantexnonik

other maps like just2easy are better for beginners

ye

just2easy way better

Just to easy = super lame

imo putting a tee in a map is no good, an actual interactive tutorial or a video would be the best.

just2easy good

practice is the only way

or you could play mud