Hello. My task now is to help the testers? And what if I found a bug that I already fixed? Do I need to reload the map in

?

u upload it there

Hm... Okay, thanks.

And i can add lasers to noobfilter, if needed. https://i.imgur.com/PgPRbRN.png https://i.imgur.com/ub8rJHw.png

update version

in update version:

1. Added one teleport tile to the left of the hole. https://i.imgur.com/YVDyk90.png
2. Slightly changed here for balance. https://i.imgur.com/pUAJvoW.png

Folugenr and Farmer conducted a test map and found out some bugs. Corrected them.

Fixed them: https://i.imgur.com/t17pdcq.png https://i.imgur.com/dJ1c36T.png

Update version

Will anyone go to test now?

RF made a little less for complexity. https://i.imgur.com/Cic6LOF.png Here, from now on, you need to do 2RJ for passage. https://i.imgur.com/FGFSYHr.png I slightly changed this part of the map. https://i.imgur.com/fwhpbcj.png

Update ver.

are you there?

I can enter the game only after 17:00 Moscow time. I'm working.

But you can send screenshots with questions or opinions, and I'll try to answer or take into account your words.

We tested it already, we want to test it with you again

Okay.

Well... I'm here and now can testing the map with you,

But i'm eating.)

Find the bug. Fixed.

I must go to sleep. Well, we don't testing today.

blue tele has to be changed to red ones (unless it's required for individual parts)

is cp 2 just luck-based? if yes, it needs to be changed (filter is long already so just remove it completely I'd say)

un-solo has to be before start line and there has to be a decently big area before start where people can wait/team-up

im think filter not bad

` not luck, just skill

` i will must changes tele on all map or only in the start?

whole map, unless you need it specifically for the part.

Hm... Okay. Just never use red tele. 😄 I'll try.

Better? https://i.imgur.com/s6eASf5.png

Not sure 🤔 Your screen shows a pic from the start xd

I guess it's about the unsolo - startline?

Yes.

And "big" area before start-line 😄

And now I have to go to work.

$rate balance=4 flow=3 creativity=4 playability=2 fun=0 design=1 bonus=0

https://imgur.com/a/h45Ws02

Balance: Some parts vary a lot in terms of difficulty. Fair mapped but not too good.

Flow: Parts don't have a really good flow imo, you had some ideas, but overthought your concept completely and messed it up.

Creativity: I barely wanted to give you 4 points for it. Nothing in this map is really innovative.

Playability: Parts are mostly either thought out bad or overthought. And that goes for the map overall as well. Parts dont work like the should imo.

Fun: This will be only played for points. Not really exciting to play it, very boring gameplay.

Design: Looks not too bad so I gave you 1 point.

checked like half the map. playtime balance is horrible (e.g. after start one guy does 3 parts and then the other one not even 1)

not sure how the second half looks

but that's a big flaw. both players should have equal playtime (parts should be at a similar lenght for both players)

$rate balance=5 flow=4 creativity=4 playability=3 fun=2 design=1 bonus=0

Today i will make a new part after first. For some balanced.

To be honest, you are reworking this map since 2015, don't you think it's time to start a new one perhaps? Keep in mind you need at least 25 points for release, and adding one new part doesn't make the other part of the map better. For me to change my ratings is to rework the map completely again with proper parts, and at this point you try this since 2015 and got stuck in the same map. But it's your choice in the end

I was afk 2 years. I don't rework this map so long time, lol. I do not want to rework the map, because it's my story and the other players who played it. Minor details I can remake and add something new, but I will not delete anything. If, in the end, the map does not pass your standards, then nothing terrible will happen.

To some extent it's oldschool, where there were no clear rules on how to do maps. It was always an experiment, something new, for which we were not criticized or criticized. Now it is more difficult to do something outstanding than in those times. So I will not make maps in the future.

we could release it as an oldschool map (those have no gameplay standards), but it feels like at this point you changed too much already. you even added new tiles that didn’t exist back then

maybe it would make more sense to release the original version

I think you mean new tiles is jetpack?

was referring to dj refill tile, but jetpack too,.

idk how much different the current map is to the original one

(didn’t play back then)

In 2013/2015 was dj

srsly?

Only jetpack was added later.

Yes.

well anyway, what do you think about original version

if it’s about nostalgia

Hm... I do not mind, but in the original version, as it turned out, there were a lot of bugs, so the current version can be taken as the original. Just with some corrections. And yet today I will add a new part, as I planned, since I have already started. Okay?

bugs should be fixed, y

new parts is ofc contradicting to nostalgia

but again idk the original map

Okay.

LichKing is an AMAZING map

it's just for some balance. after the first part, the second player only needed to use the chain once. there is an idea, I can implement. on the map it will not hurt badly.

k

is oldschool expert, you should ask him 😘

Okay. Thanks.)

LichKing should maybe not be released as oldschool like it is now

but as brutal

by the way, teleportation of grenades appeared for the first time before the advent of ddnet in my tournament on ddrace. there was a slightly modified server for this.

Weapon teleports are way more older than ddnet

It worked with cfg files back then

but for a brutal map it’s not really meeting the standards we have now

Xd true

hence, trying to see what the original map gives

But for oldschool things like jetpack need to be removed

ye that’s the problem

there is no category between brutal and oldschool? 😆

Oldbrutal

xd

I can remove the jetpack, if you want. He was added later.

It's just a short moment in this map.

jetpack is a DDNet invention

It cant be oldschool

yeah same for dj refill

even if its early ddnet its not oldschool

true

What do you think is included in the old school? Even if the DJ does not go there.

I can use a laser door (switch) instead of a DJ, which will give the same effect.

can’t u keep it how it was originally?

doors on oldschool maps are fine

, with doors, ok.

I prefer maps with only hook, unhook, freeze and unfreeze

But other shit is also fine ofc

I approved this since oldschool maps don't fall under the usual standards, so this only needs to be checked on bugs and mapping errors

if anyone has objections about releasing this as oldschool, please tell

14/49 no objections

"since oldschool maps don't fall under the usual standards"

do you think it's unfair to release on oldschool?

did you even read what broke said at all

and wasnt the requirement like 5 votes or something

I did

did you read what I said?

oldschool maps aren't comparable to new maps, ofc from a current view they look worse

how about using the system that was trying to get away from releasing by yourself

oldschool maps always had different standards, but sure. I'll run a vote (not the rating one) about releasing it

great

removed the map from rating system to avoid confusion

I removed all double jumps and put doors in place of them. https://i.imgur.com/99czbWw.png https://i.imgur.com/h9DWsu7.png https://i.imgur.com/Zex1T8h.png I added a new part of the map. https://i.imgur.com/TeLa0dO.png

This is the final version.

oh, and removed jetpack https://i.imgur.com/KhwhTju.png

woops, i don't fix the bug. Now it's done.

If I add restrictions on the number of players in the team and the card can be passed only while being in the team, then this is not a problem?

map should require that

are the switches an issue?

no

why u wanna do it then

Someone probably already reported this, but in case no one did, here's an entity bug

https://i.imgur.com/uZQ2let.png https://i.imgur.com/lyZ1ya4.png it was fixed o.O

Added server settings: switch.

Now I completely rely on your experience in testing so that you can find bugs that I could miss.

$rate balance=5 flow=4 creativity=6 playability=4 fun=1 design=1 bonus=0

Very much I apologize for the fact that I often update the map, correcting bugs. Every time it seems that it is ready, but afterwards I notice new mistakes.

the internal vote resulted in approving the map for oldschool server

Wow. thanks, guys.)

What is my task now?

wait for us to test it and then fix potential bugs

Ah, okay. Then good luck.)

Oldschool way better than new maps

Hah, thanks. 😆😄

I apologize, forgot to answer. Just as the creator of the map, I wanted to be able to go through only 2 people in the team.

But i think it's too late. 😄

no teamforce on oldschool maps

Ok.

y

It's nothing.

I would disable teamforce on every map where its not absolutely needed

I would disable teamsforce on every map where its not absolutely needed

omg

how to format in discord lul

You try doing that?

y

~~ <- use that

xd

😄

new message

1try

now even better

~rofler 228~

I hope people will hate this map. 😄

I already liked it from first time joining

The original one

Thanks.)

embarrassed me!

why did you remove these cool graphics 😦

Very voluminous figure by weight.

But i can add this picture, if you want

Where you download this version of map? 😄

for that part with the dj refill tiles: I guess you could keep it like it was originally?

looks like a bug

Hm... Don't sure

Because if you use a standard two-way block of movement, then you can accidentally stick the player in or not pull out, I think, that's why I added a comprehensive block there.

the stoppers inside of the blocks have no effect

^^

Now I'm redoing the end of the map, because I can not go through the remix, I'll simplify it lightly.

Okay.

lol, i was removed this blocks

LOL

xdd

thanks

Not necessary. We recently passed this part without a double jump.

Update the map. https://i.imgur.com/qIe4n3d.png https://i.imgur.com/Trjf6qS.png

Was fixed.

add the button for deactivation door. https://i.imgur.com/IAS04f3.png

It's the last update, because other parts was testing by me and remix.

Like that? https://i.imgur.com/FfFVILn.png

Looks awesome

You made yourself?

No

Ah who made it?

Selle made that.

She was my friend who make some pictures for tournaments

ah looks awesome!

Ye)

Well. I add this picture then and rework some parts.

For better gameplay of course.)

Is selle also in this discord?

No.

She don't play teeworlds anymore.

Sorry for offtop, but this is other works by Selle. https://i.imgur.com/MxpjmH6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mDfZjVp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gV9FyWL.jpg

she is really good

Added the picture by Selle. Logo LichKing

Slightly simplified this part of the map. https://i.imgur.com/HO27UOM.png A little raised unfreeze, so that the player had to use 2rj. https://i.imgur.com/YwefMXq.png

really like the graphic by Selle

Heh.)

She was good.)

deen

Wait, i will update the map, because texnonik found the bugs. <_<

I added a door and several new lasers so that you can not skip this part of the map. https://i.imgur.com/Cksgd9B.png

I added an old checkpoint near the Hammerfly so that you can not go back and activate the ability to beat the players (this will skip several parts). https://i.imgur.com/YtNd67S.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181856623663382528/466483515769356300/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181856623663382528/466483906221178900/unknown.png

swap checkpoints bcs guys when making hookfly can fail if 1 player pickup cp then 2 player fail down

Thanks,

. I'm just on my job.

Я, крч, пойду телефон на зарядку поставлю.

Woops, not here. 😄

Hahah

nou

nou? 😄

Coming soon i will upload the last version without bugs (i hope).

Last version

Can the trailer to the map be in the release announcement? Just a question.

I thought and decided to make some part easier and the stars with the moon will be in high details so that they can be removed from the background in the graphics settings.

A few small changes, as promised.

1. Tilted the tiles 1 to the right to make it easier. https://i.imgur.com/kKh9C37.png
2. I put a few teleports to not be cut. https://i.imgur.com/erdmsPu.png
3. Bonus: You can stand on the hand of the LichKing. https://i.imgur.com/J1DZpqi.png

Found the small bug. Fixed. https://i.imgur.com/y4VM1bX.png

You could try to skip here, so added more shields. https://i.imgur.com/EHNxSmR.png

What's wrong with that? o.O

hn

hm

I can try to upload again

im just having fun

Ah, okay. 😄

But I still decided to update the map to avoid another pass already at the finish. Also added shields. https://i.imgur.com/mnmB3Gg.png The rest I trust you, otherwise I will constantly find small bugs and fix them a thousand times. 😄

Added doors, so that there was no failure. https://i.imgur.com/Y46pAWU.png

fail with get stuck in finish, if other player fail and go to tele

https://i.gyazo.com/8a65e5e0c15a6a743f8e0847b50fe714.png

Just one fact about why the map was originally created. And just the fact that before the command / team was used. https://i.imgur.com/i7ehOlt.png

Really the latest version. From updates: deleted some buttons from the doors.

Well. Somebody can show me the bugs on this map or ready for release?)

if you want to team-force the map, add

`(if you also want to force the size)

no style corner

here should be unhook game-tile

if its still supposed to be oldschool it shouldnt use teamforce

idk, he said it had team-force

there is only 1 oldschool map with teamforce and this only because it would be heavily cheatable (startline skip etc.)

better check for cheats than complain about team-force

This map shouldnt use teamforce imo

find cheats omg

why is there CP-34 here?

This map isnt oldschool anymore imo, he changed too many things, most of the map is from 2018

Ok maybe not most but a lot

needs un-solo somewhere here (like red-marked area) + maybe back CP

useless

It's all? I just in editor now.

You can't skip this part, if you mean that.

Or you mean make there cp for back?

was asking the purpose of it

seemed useless to me

Hm... Okay.

there are some other things I would consider as bugs from modern point of view, but for oldschool it's fine

I think the return to the previous check-point is not needed, because it is extremely difficult to fail here.

Unsolo may be useful to add.

Small fixes, given the screenshots above.

I did not notice the messages above.

Done.

Done.

Done or not?

For no cheated. Players could take the next checkpoint, return for the opportunity to hit each other and fall into the teleporter. This would destroy the subsequent parts of the map.

Now about the command

`. I do not think it's necessary to use it. Of course, because of this, some doors will work less steadily and other parts of the map can also be cut most likely, but if the majority are against, then I will not insist.

, I did not change anything much in the map. The original does not differ from the original. I just made it easier for people.

Corrected version. Based on earlier screenshots.

i saw the old version, and the latest and its totally different, i know bug and balance fixes but its not oldschool anymore for me

I also have an old version, but where is the huge difference? Some moments were cut out only because they were useless, superfluous, or lucky. Some are added for balance and interest. Yes, it was not in the original, but it does not spoil the card in general.

However, everyone has his own opinion.

it doesnt make any difference for me if its oldschool or not tbh

For me, as one of the creator of the map, it matters. But again, everyone has his own opinion.

And now good night.

Well? For the whole day there were no screenshots with bugs and wishes to fix anything. Do you think the map is ready? And the last question. Most, I suppose, against team-force? I think it's worth it or not to put restrictions on the number of players in the team or not? I value your opinion. PS: During the tournament on the map, the use / team was mandatory (just a fact, no more).

the map is annoying to test, can't be done in a few minutes: oldschool + a lot switch constructions + CP stuff + hard difficulty. I won't have much time to test till maybe sunday and I don't wanna rush it either. if any other

has time, please go ahead and check

Oh, okay. I apologize for my intolerance. I will try not to rush you any more.

your switch markings are inconsistent: would be nicer to have different markings for each kind (deactivator, activator, timed, normal)

I didn't look super closely for skips/cheats, but you seem to have covered up everything with proper stoppers, shields and CPs

about team-force: "but if the majority are against, then I will not insist." well you have to consider how valuable those guys opinions are - some might not even have played the map. if it was a new map, it should definitely have it (tons of complicated switch constructions, very few space in a lot parts). but since it's oldschool it might be fine to leave it without; people expect these maps to be somewhat annoying :D

this should be unhook

Concerning the switches.

Some doors can be skipped simply because it will not be necessary to open them during the passage, when someone else can open them. This is if you play without /team with a lot of players. The buttons that open/close the doors all act for a while, so that there are no bugs with doors with a large number of players.

I think these don't do anything

It's for no skip, rly.

they are inside of unhooks

Oh. 😄

Okay, thanks. Fixed all of screens.

did you look at the switch markings?

Yes.

But I do not understand how I can make them better.

I noticed here: red marked ones are one deactivator and one activator, yet they look the same. green one activates something, but is black which usually refers to deactivating something (e.g. deactivating hammer next to it)

You meant to visually indicate which button is responsible for what?

yea

White color on the card characterizes the passage further: the door opens and you can go further. Black color cancels this action. I still do not know how. I can draw new tiles, indicating activation and deactivation for a while, but this will take time.

nah it's fine then I guess

switch marked, but no gametile below it

Oops, forgot about this.

Release when?

, don't know.

does this part even work in team 0? once door 23 is closed it won't ever open again

meh I really think all those switches will cause annoying problems in team 0

also parts like this will become completely unplayable in team 0. imagine 4 or more people down there, not being able to go anywhere

If u can spec it's " fine "

But if this is oldschool u probaly can't

If it is possible to somehow open this door, then this moment can be missed. Although it's good, I have an idea how to make it so that you can not miss this moment. But this is the next door. : D

About the fact that some parts of the map can be annoying for the games Again, because the card was created only for two players, and not for the set.

yea, that's why it should be team-forced

?XD Stereotypes are the oldest oldschool and they all have /spec

also /spec was default on old Servers

this map should not be teamforced but sv_pauseable should be enabled

I can do that.

spec wouldn't help in the last part

would still be ultra shit

And removed the door here.

I think it will be better.

Ofc door open on some time and closed again.

About the forced team.

I do not mind, but only if you agree. I just do not see problems in the forced team, but if you think that you can not add it, then all right.

teamforce will make the map not played

people hate teamforce, you cant just join and play, you first have to look for a partner and it is boring as hell

it's not playable without team-force (e.g. last screen I posted)

teamforce wont help in any part too and in the last part will never be a group of 20

Then you can point out that it is recommended to play in a team of two players.

Stereotypes are not playable in team 0 also but its funny as hell

I dont understand the point

u can play in team

why force people to do?

Its just not needed to play in team and its players own fault to stuck in team 0

i prefer starting to play a map with Some tees until we fail

Maybe it's better to write in the beginning of the card that it is recommended to play in a team of two people?

Ye thats completely ur decision

idk do whatever you want

Okay, then we'll stop at the recommendation at the beginning of the map.

thats not true. spec was enabled on some servers but it wasnt default at all

/pause was = /spec and default on most popular servers

ye it was /pause and no it wasnt

it was only on some

Im pretty sure it was on ddracepro

ddracepro were never the most popular servers lol

I mean procodex

ye i think it was enabled on procodex but it wasnt on many other srvs (and also never has been on old ddmax which is as oldschool as procodex)

OK ure right

but ddmax is not a real oldschool server for me

why not

Every shit nobo maps got released there

skynets are older than most of oldschool maps xd

its like a bad ddnet

could add entities-off at the text otherwise looks ok

ah, also enable /spec (

`)

Okay.

What you mean? High-detail?

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ddnet/ddnet-rules/master/images/entities-off-sign.png

place this tile somewhere in the air around the spawn

it's in game layer

Like that? Just never use this. 😄

one is sufficient

Okay.

That better?

y

What does this thing do? 😄

it hints that there is useful information in the design

Okay.

thanks

Thank you for help.)

I think map is ready for release? New icon.

y

tell him when u want to release it

Oh... Thank you.)

so he can put the trailer up

Yes, please.)

isnt the trailer alreayd online

from 3 years old lol

I will make new trailer.

Just tell me when.)

(saturday the 4th)

Okay. Wait.)

Now tell me, is there any error here? My English is bad.

4th of august

Okay, thanks.

i guess it would also be more grammatically correct to add "on"

release on 4th of august

Okay.)

releasing

Release on the 4th of August

And which of the following is true? 😄

You might also wanna add 2018

I think this is not necessary. But if this is important, I can add.

Okay. Added this. Well... After ~30 minutes i will send in this chat the link of the trailer.)

https://youtu.be/hNXhXb-oCs0

The first view is yours.

If you still notice errors in the credits, then this is not difficult to fix.

And if you can, then insert this trailer in the subject with the announcement card please.

You can post the trailer in your map's forum thread, all maps on "Planned Releases" have a link to their thread

Hm... Okay.

I hoped to be on the main page a little. 😄

Oh it's probably gonna be on the homepage anyway, they always put the newest teeworlds video there for a while

When was the first trailer released

No

when was this tournament

xD

with the map

go make the tournament! 😄

would be funny to release it on same date if its near

it could maybe be released as special tournament

like my and other people idea to make some challenges on very old maps with only a few finishes

no

I do not think that it will be interesting for people to pass a card in the tournament. Especially if there is nothing at stake, except for the prize place.

But anyway, thank you once again for all the help that you have given me.

making tournaments while there is constant ddos makes no sense at all

Your truth.

One more question. Can I put the trailer in

?

sure

ofc

ill put it on homepage

Thanks.)