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why are most of the quads stretched

this is a reupload since my map previously got archived :c

cus i made them smaller and couldnt get it good

oh ehm

well its my first map

didnt know it ty

fail

u cant rework part withoput that

also better ingame ping me when u will have time

with 2 ppl it isnt i think

you cant solo the whole map if both land there its not fail

ah ye i see but its still weird

ill just incres the speedups by 2

it should be fine then

im about gate in general

better rework

you mean the solo?

solo needs rework? or the end

end

this is better.

idk about u but for me cus its not in middle looks bad.

insted of this better smth like this i removed frezze

i still don't like this shields. u give weapons for one solo part its bad.

this one is so bad. so many random stuff can happens here.

too much empty space move wall closer

Close this one. People will try it because they can forget about the laser.

1 spam 2 i dont get for what this?

gates need defiantly rework

solo a bit long last edge maybe two better remove or better rework cus its 6 edge jumps in a row.

Remove it by reworking.

this stoppers too possible remove by replacing walls

both can go <

also ur map dont have finish line. its against the rule dont do that again. upd: ah i see, mb

ur map is short, i think u need another floor.

not bad map.

the tee nedds that wall to be stoppers so he can exit

that was inetentional

the down way was so he could save him if he didnt make it

the rest ill do

i know what stoppers do) but if u rework correcly u dont need stoppers

but why change it if it works?

if possible without stoppers (or any specials tiles) u need to do without that.

rly?

its my own rule, but most good mappers follow that.

but how would you do it without stoppers?

with hookthrough you can get top tee in with you

i will show when finish current testing, i ping u

okay

u can flw and wait me im on own server

after i finish this map ill join

fixed all things mentioned by triki and some design issues i saw

fixed the teles

a few changes i made have made the map impossible im gonna fix it later today

idk what u did but for example noob filter the same, and other stuff what i mention u didnt change. or not respond

i only didnt change 3 things

since they changed the part or just didnt fit with how i want this map to be

ok why u didnt change this?

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but u nothing say about that until i asked.

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i mentioned i only didnt change 3 things no?

this one too?

didnt know hwat you meant there?

it works fine

this

ah sure ill change that

see? thats why u need mention what u didnt change

didnt wanna ping you 3 times sorry

1 time enough and with this u can feel free to ping.

oh

im stupid

didnt know that exists

care u need turn off every time this ping

ok

i still wating btw

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thats the 3

i think

But I would also like an explanation as to why it does not fit for finding compromises.

on the first mentioned there is not much too compomise its either that or that

or if reason is too big leave it as is it

on the weapons it would need a big rework of the map

but what about that? what is here dosent fit?

told you i would change this one

you mean the noobfilter right?

made the noobfilter like triki wants it and fixed the problem with the map being unbeatable

fixed the tele

lol, no this

cus i want the part like that

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1 maan rlyyyy 2 this also looks weird

spam, and i alredy mention this here

ok other looks fine. waiting for one more floor.

im sad to dissapoint you but i think the length is enough since most maps are of similar length

yea i forgot about the spam

ill center it for you

Let me double-check the length.

i dont want dissapoint u but this map is short. if it was novice i agreed with but its brutal. also we need third pov u can ask testers maybe im wrong and its enough.

dunno what map you play but all most all the maps i play have this length

it takes me 12 min to finish with a really good run you could probably get it to 6 mins which is comparable to a lot of brutals

i take random 3 star brutal map.

random 1 star

its shorter

this is lastest t0 map but 4 star

i think mine would be 1-2 not 3 or 4

random 2

we can continue this if you want but on 1-2 star atleast this is the standard length

this map from 2015

does it matter?

i can continue

yes, better look at 24-25

about same maybe bit longer

its one of the latest releases

this too

name?

just look at new maps

apotheosis

ah its 2ppl map its fine, parts are different, gameplay is also diff

amateu

do you mean my map is fine or that its fine beacause they are 2 player maps?

its just different gameplay.

2 days one of the most popular maps released 2 years ago a t0 map

idk how u count length, but i count it by parts. u can do longer parts but its still one part which count like one

i look by overall length

it has 2 floors

abit shorter from left to right

its shorter than mine

thats my logic

and i just counted the parts it has less than my map

This one is one part and it takes up 35% of the second floor.

ig

but

is that bad

its just how the part is

if u think ur map have same "useful length" as this map ur wrong. 1 its way harder map. 2 more parts.

"usefull length" id say no

overall length theyre about the same amateur is maybe 20% longer

we spam on this channel toomuch. just wait someone other.

sure

if u wanna $redy from me, u need to map longer, then i run it with some one for looking problems, do fixes, and then redy.

im fine with adding 10 more but a whole floor

seems bit excessive

well wait for what others say

10 more its about a floor.

not rl

like half

of a floor

then ill do what they say

idk how u counting did u count fillers?

yes

1 for example this is one part. 2 but u counting it like 3? or what

2

this ia filler part and i count it too

stoppers also is separate-filler not a part

lets just wait this discussion is going no where

filler cant be a part. its filler or part.

well what do you see that as

i see it as a part

its filler. just filler|| if we talk about middle one||

and theres the problem it will be a back and forth

i also see what you mean

but its still a part since you need to pass it

and you can fail there

thats why it counts as a part too me

yea the middle one

ok this part - filler so, problem all what have "filler" doesn't count as length map. thats why ur map looks long but still short.

it does to me since its failable or adds time it should count towards map length

this is how the world works.

my map isnt mostly filler

it has a few

bit like 70%

is real parts

i dont remeber the wold working according to your will?

this part still makes no sense in t0, if other tees get skipped they are without weapons and useless for all next parts

thats quite hard copared to the rest of the map

u hav etele all except wher eu need it ?XD

i got told to remove teles

not there

but overall

ill swith them

your making the parts too hard ur forgetting this is not that hard of a map

after this point bottom tee doesnt use laser again, maybe remove an unfreeze

ill let you test first then ill reply

u lose laser and sg, then right after there is laser and sg solo, maybe exchange part order here to collect similar parts

woudlve been cool imo if speed was forced and u had to laser urself all in one motion

whisper: most of ur fixes do map harder, which mapper dont wanna)

i do like the idea with the weapons

im experimenting rn

then you would be happy too triki :3

cool part

skip, i assume u will fix this by making drag longer but keep in mind that drags are overused and sleeper gameplay

this map has more solo than filler even XD

i maybe went a bit overboard with the solos :c

only the hh filler is brutal, without those two fillers this map is moderate

i would say rather the map is too easy across the board

rly i can remove some teles or most

well rn it's leaning toward high mod bc of faily parts only

would be nicer to see more cool parts

e.g this map isnt comparable at all bc its full of high effort drag parrts, while the drag parts in this map are limited by mainly 3x3 structure

i wouldnt call them high effort but i see what you mean

idk how u even make real parts in 3x3 that isnt t0

its like sunday maps

sunday maps?

https://ddnet.org/maps/SunDay-32-3

ah i see

what do you think about this as a replacement to the parts between the solo and the shields?

dunno if its possible ima test it

it works

changed the parts between shields and solo removed tps too make the map more diificult design issues and added an indicator on the first drag that players need sg

fixed tele that i oversaw

changed the background and fixed some design

solo part is impossible since you dont have both weapons

the map is not possible in the first solo you don't have the good weapon

the way the stopper are used is not great

noobfilter should not exist

the map have some hh aspect but is a 2p map in same time

the structure 3*3 is not respected

many parts are rly generic, a bit too much

Mention:

hey i respect your feedback but its a bit vague could you pls go into more detail on what makes the stoppers badly used and what is so generic.

also a 2p can have hh no? i know the hh is boring but its not a no go

theres no way around that and its not like its important to only use 3x3 blocks

generic doesn't necessarily mean bad imo i think generic parts are fun to play and most parts have already been done you can most of the time only slightly alter them.

sure ill remove it

ill fix it

oh and also if i remove noobfilter should i make it teamforce 2p?

Removed noobfilter and added weapons to the solo cus i forgot

these were two minor changes and did not validate a decline imo if you add more context i would understand more clearly why its declined

you wanna expand on that?

i meant, most of the parts are basic/seen again and again in all the hh maps

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they arent rly

and by expand i mean which ones are rly bad

Go to sleep vena so much test

do you not wanna give actual feedback?

first of this is more a hybrid map (which is not against the rules + its a 20/80 split so its more a 2p map)

with hh parts you are mentioning about 20% of actual parts

i have not gotten any feedback on 70% of my map

you have given me feedback for all these parts

• you have not answered my questions