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Hey guys, this is the last map of the "Nightstar" series.

It's like the first two maps, hammerhit and hammerfly, perfect for a small team or a team 0. It should be bug free -> thx to my testers: Cendren, Gorden, Prozzle, Hydra, Neelrad, Freezestyler

Hopefully u like it 😃

first part has the stronghold issue, needs a filter or something to cope with that

Well, I actually dont have enought place there left to do something, hopefully you can agree with this - if not I/we have to find an alternative :/

basically this is the issue https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4101&p=42678

mapres stolen from Skyland

too faily part at the middle of themap

yet another killer 😃

maybe I'm just nobo but this seems impossible to first try for me

looks like insane map for me

Those two screenshots aren't that hard, i can give some more space for the first screenshot (before i fix i will wait for 1 or 2 more opinions). The second is very easy, with kinta u can't fail, just hammer or u unfreeze someone through the freeze :)

Map isn't insane 😄 It's brut 3* i guess 😃

i used this tileset also in nightstar 2, it's an open source game, u can't steal anything 😄

ok i now know what u mean, i personally dont have a problem with that because in my eyes this map is more a 2p or 4p team map, many maps starts without a noobfilter and ye, idk its an hh/hf map, a noobfilter wouldnt fit for me :/ i just removed the freeze on the top platform that u have dj, it seems unfaily for me

Will look later

the problem with annoying afk tees still remains. you don’t need a filter to fix it tho, can work around it with smart mapping (see stronghold 2). and ye suka is right, the first screen is too punishing. generally the anti-cheat kill tiles are kinda stupid and a lazy fix

Fixed the first screenshot from suka, also changed the start a bit, maybe its good like this... 😃

<@456226577798135808> that's a very bad mindset, but since I didn't notice this tileset in Nightstar 2 I'll allow it this time

but jao for example, bit2 also contains afkler at the first part

bit2 has a filter + kill tiles next to start to cope with that

anyway, i changed the first part a bit, should be good now

small changes on the start

changed the start again

Map is good for 2man teams. Good work, keep it up

hammerhit maps aren‘t good 2p teams

i think he meant, that u can rush this pretty easy in 2p team

not really better for 2p than any other hammerhit map

this should be removed

these too

and I'm not sure if the first swing will work on a full server, people will very likely be blocking it

you should just remake the whole start instead of trying to hotfix it

fixed those 2 screenshot (just what i agree with)

👺

close to spawn*

Well I had a closer look at all the parts and I don't see a significant upgrade from part 2, just longer and failier. Seeing how neither part 1 or 2 get played much I'm not in favor of releasing this one, will have to wait for

's opinion before deciding though.

I guess you are right, bumblebee was kinda popular and then with the nightstars it always decreased. so it seems like things are moving in the wrong direction.. well I never liked these, but I also don’t think it would be a terrible release

on the other hand you have to know when to stop 🤷🏻‍♀️

like i said, its the last one of this series 😃

Better map insane

how can you say is map popular or not?

what's the criteria

if people playing map then its popular, if no then not

Some maps are popular only a few days after release

what happened to the map name

wrong map

some changes 😃

it wouldn't be a terrible release if the other maps were at least a bit popular, or this one was the first one

what about identifying the problems of previous versions and making sure they're fixed now

I would still like to see a significant improvement in creativity or quality since part 2 to consider releasing a third one

Unless part 2 was wildly popular and people begged for more (which is not the case)

ye, basically this is the problem: "it seems like things are moving in the wrong direction.."

Yep

Longer and failier, no improvement in quality so this one would be even less played than part 2

agreed, it's also not faily in a smart way

(e.g. first parts are unnecessary faily)

I think the reason why these are not doing well is because they are a) not well thought through (like strongholds) and b) not pushing boundaries (like back in the days)

i agree to 50% about the "uncreative" parts, but there are some parts with creativity 😄 i tried to give the "uncreative" parts ways to do some tricks... i know that most of the people dont like this maps, but i still think its worth for a rls, because i had this now a few times, when i play with my mates, we r playing this maps to calm down or to warm up for maps like bit2 oder whatever 😄

dont see everything negative on this map

i think u got what i wanna tell 😄

Not saying it's completely uncreative it's just not any better than part 1 or 2 (actually part 1 is the best of them all)

and I don't see the point in releasing 3 parts of an already barely played map that doesn't shine with great creativity or mapping quality

if you wanna warm up, why does the map have to be on ddnet

if you wanna warm up and chill you can play stronghold, actually with some parts that I see on this map it's definitely not a "warm up" map

also that you say that kinda shows that you're aware that it's not a "top tier" map people would actually play for fun lol

because this are easy points - and the map inst boring so fun aswall it isnt a top tier map, i know that but it is fun

(for me

easy points? 😄 that's a) not a good reason and b) not true

for me its hard basic shit :p

so easy points, but we have a different view i think

well facts don't lie, nightstar 2 has like 10 finishes and this one is even harder

na its not harder

pretty simular

well same thing

but i dont wanna discuss, its your opinion, i would love to see it on ddnet 😃

and i thought it was a nice deal who i said that is the last one

😕

Nightstar 1 = 22 finishers, Nightstar 2 = 14 finishers, Nightstar 3 = 6 finishers? 😄

does not have to mean that player dont like it, maybe its just a wrong rating

but like i said

but i dont wanna discuss, its your opinion, i would love to see it on ddnet 😉

Nightstar 1 is definetly 5 stars brutal

I would love to see an elephant do a backflip 😛

i would love to see that u stay constructive, because u arent atm

but

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=posewJmriZ4 😉

@1:23 😃

fake

no

but will you do any improvements

saying "I don’t wanna discuss" isn’t constructive either

i dont wanna discuss like last time

can you answer my question then

If answer is no = reject

i will, if i agree

and do you agree with the stuff we pointed out?

what u said i fixed?

i actually dont see the point

the point is that the map isn't an improvement to the previous parts, but a downgrade

because its longer & failier isnt a downgrade in my eyes

ok then I guess nothing we can do since you're not interested in discussions

nono u dont get what i wanna sai

*say

bacxk in time 2 is longer & failier than the first version

= downgrade=

thats not a point to downgrade something, when u would say parts are more boring oder there is no structure i can work with it

well are you going to discuss or not? because I'm not gonna start explaining everything if I'm talking to a wall

but because of the lenght & failgrade

just tell me (contructive) what u dont like; if its 3/4 of the map i dont have to rework, when there a a few parts i will think about it

ok then to begin with, first parts should be less faily and faily stuff should be more smart/thought through in general

The problem of the map is that you have to be ultra careful on every part or you die immediately. You can't chill or just play this map for fun. And even if you play very carefully there are some killer parts that kill 90% of the players.

idk how good u r but, u cant die on every single part xd, like 90% is saveable there are maybe 3-4 parts where u can die

gonna work on it this noon

made the whole map easier 😃

last update one week ago without any tests?... :p

doesn't sound like an improvement in quality or creativity

We won't release this map if it's not visibly better than the previous parts

did u take a look on it?

or why u say this? 😉

i did what jao wanted so, pretty funny how tester talk past each other xd

it's still not really thought through

and yea

next step would be to work on creativity

which would kinda be an overhaul of 50% of the map

e.g. this gets really messy in team 0. in back in the days you will only see one easy 1 tile edgejump, since that's reasonable

well if its over 50% idk if i wanna rework it, then its maybe better to decline it and start a new map

yea probably

is it declined now? doesn't look so