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https://ddnet.org/testmaps/?map=LazeAround_4

Gameplay: https://youtu.be/2-9DjKIEi8g

nice and simple I like it =] hoooooweeeeevvvveeeerrrr after some time of your gameplay background seemmms toooo simple and starts to get boring. Everything else is nice ^^ please think of making some tinnny change in background

yeah I'm terrible at bg design so I figured I'd go for a very simplistic design so it won't look like ass. but true, a bit more complexity would def look nicer

why u named it lazearound 4?

https://ddnet.org/testlogs/show/LazeAround_3

well I figured since it's basically a completely new map I should consider it as a separate entity

but I'd have no problems changing it to 3 since it's unreleased anyway

i would just change it back to 3 xd

i saw some part ideas from 3

yeah I can rename it, 3 is a nicer title anyway for a 3 player map tbh

$change name "LazeAround 3"

changed logo from la4 > la3

That texture is barely noticeable

Freeze and hookable are too similar

Quiz time : Is that 1️⃣ freeze or 2️⃣ hookable ?

The hookthrough tiles are also a problem. A solution could be to increase the difference of shades of that texture

You could stack them

Place time cps where every tee meet

2? 3? 4? 32?

Are you supposed to guess where it leads ?

Are you using all those images fully ? If not, only pick the tiles you use

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• made hookable more distinguishable from freeze
• changed / adjusted time cps
• cut down the unhookable tileset to necessary elements
• changed to-teles to an amount of 3 where suitable
• added some text to show in which order they have to use the teles
• made hookthrough clearer to see
• added a text that you need 3 players for this map
• I'm not sure about your last screenshot but I guess you didn't like the "gg" quad so I deleted it

That's what I meant

oooh I see sorry, re-added it without the bugged pixel

The colors are still very wrong

I can barely see the cp and the hook through tiles

The hookable looks like teleport

At the spawn, you still can't tell it's hookable and not freeze (or teleport)

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louis map

adjusted the design to distinguish tiles more easily

fixed a small bug

The colors are still a problem, I'll see what I can do later

You should opt for a background and maybe change your tilesets, they really don't help

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Sorry but could you elaborate a bit on this? Do you want me to change colors + tileset + background or a subset of them? I also would be thankful if you could specify "the problem" and what the tileset specifically "doesn't help" with so I have something to build upon

I asked more players and the main problem that occurs is that the bg is too plain, which makes it hard to play with design on because you can't tell the difference with hookable/unhookable/freeze...

You could even make a very minimalist repeatable background with parallax, that would be enough

Or add a texture like grain, paper...

Alright thank you will do

Let's do that for now and we'll see how it looks after that change

so would something like this be an improvement? I'm not 100% happy how it turned out but it certainly improved visibility, since I could find a lot of new corner bugs which were basically hidden before

This is a good idea for the penultimate part

• in penultimate part have skip

what's cp2 for ?

what's "goodtele" layer for ?

Goodtele shows teleporters which are not supposed to be a hindrance but rather be convinient or necessary to progress. Cp 2 is only there in case a player manages to fall in Tele again somehow but is not really necessary

I've just noticed that I shouldn't use goodtele in that screenshot though since it kinda implies you need to enter this tele

What about a design like that ?

I think it's better

yeah it looks great

thank you that you put so much effort into that, that is very kind of you

No problem 😄

As you can see, add texture to the map as I did

With the grass

The pit

Make it look less "linear"

Don't mind the blockers and other layers I didn't change

Redo the entire design by adapting the new design

I'll take care of the blockers and other blue layers when you are done

Use that rule for the grass

Also, avoid putting unhookable on walls if it's not necessary

Like here :

If you are afraid people can hook from below, put it 1 or 2 tiles higher

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Put grass on grassmain, but not if there is freeze or deep (it will look bad otherwise)

Try to make walls a bit thicker sometimes like here :

It used to be a thin wall

Is auto_freeze an automapped freeze ?

I'll redo good game when you are done

And I'll optimize ddnet tiles as well

So don't mind that

No freeze was mapped by hand, I just tried the ruleset out at the beginning. Thank you alot I will try to emulate the design as good as I can

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redid the design and fixed skips in the last two parts

missed unhook design

I believe it doesn't necessarily need to be rounded when it meets a wall, it seems to be done consistently

Unless it's not done everywhere (like on your last screenshot)

Up and down

itdk,there is looks like this 😅

Yeah it's awkward

Thanks for point it out

in the circle the tp its blacker than other

Yeah thanks a lot, I was sloppy on some edges, I'll recheck it. I would keep no edges on grass main since it looks weird at the border imo

went over the map a few times again and fixed the mentioned + some other design bugs I noticed

thx fixed

• Missing Unhookable design
• Corner
• So in this one, u got a freeze corner and then a tele corner, that's kinda weird

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thx, I fixed the first two things, but I left the third on as it is for now, since any way I tried to change it looked worse imo

Could you come to the test server whenever you have time ?

Talked with mapper in game

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-applied Pipou's design suggestions to the whole map

• various other small design changes (e. g. new "good tele" design)
• part cp 10 reworked to function without speedups or switches / doors
• part cp 11 door removed since not really required
• parts cp 13 and cp 26 now need slightly less shields

reduced number of shields in cp 15

added endless off in cp 6

much corner errors

• missed corners
• wrong corners

thanks the first 3 parts were mapped in a different style due to a redesign. apart from that please consider every corner as being put there with artistic intent, unless there is an actual relevant graphical error ofc

so it's been around 5 months since I submitted this map and I still haven't gotten any non-surface level gameplay feedback. As far as I know not a single tester has actually played this map. I'd appreciate if someone would be willing to change that so I can get at least some closure on my work

ma boy

said he'll volunteer and test any minute now, what a nice lad

welp over 6 months already, time sure flies

it won't take another 6 months for louis to test it, he promised it would be tomorrow

I will test it again later today when I'm home

1st priority

bro didnt test

😭

we testers are simply following the suggestion of the map title

Tested the map with

Gave the full feedback to

directly in-game

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changed the screenshots + some minor stuff.

regarding sc4: part is a bit less smooth now but can be done very consistently with the change regarding sc8: didn't know what to circle here lol, unused space was filled, the left jump is shorter and the left switch is placed differently

I'll try to test it today if I have enough people

Unused grass_main

It would look better like that instead of a small weird hookable

Nothing changed here

It's too faily there if the one down falls or if he later hits the endless hook off

Good fix

The hookable mix with the unhookable in the middle is awkward

Tele in blocker isn't good

You didn't change tele 25 and 26. They are the same

Do you mean to make the edges rounded ? (on the right)

If so, you forgot to round them

Remove the arrows, I don't understand what they are for

The blockers are behind the player

Make it so you can't cheat it have force teamplay

The hookable is a bit too far. The swing is bad like that. Lower the freeze as it was before

You can pass through the door

Timing on a door is not too good

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corner bug?

Can you give a short explanation of the skip? Because we can't find it 😅

So you'd move the left hookable more on the right?

Did you fall off or can you literally go through it? In general about that part I know it uses a lot of switches but that's kinda the point of it I guess. But in our plays the timing seemed rather forgiving, the tees don't even need the exact same height or alignment

Thank you for testing btw

Would it be a fix if I made the middle part a bit easier here?

The one under can just fall in tele and pass the part alone and not be hooked by the one on the right

left : a bit more right right : a bit more left test it yourself until you see a satisfying swing

We did the part as intended and Blurry went through the door 5 times in a row

We even tried multiple height

It's just unlucky

Yes

Ah yeah I knew about that, I think it is ok personally, since both outer players already contribute by both having to juggle the middle one after hooking them through. But if you think that would have an impact on the quality of the part I would adjust it ofc

Maybe simply remove the teleport

You could still do it solo by self lasering you at the right wall. Also without the teleport you'd have to go down and save the guy every time you try the part which seems annoying imo

I guess I could make the freeze a bit higher and hinder one to reach the unfreeze from top or smth

additional changes apart from the screenshots:

• made both teles to 25
  • made the freeze one tile high
  • removed the 2 hint arrows
  • all arrows and their bgs are now in the foreground
  • changed the design of part 2 as you suggested
  • fixed some corners
  • filled in the missing unhookable
  • removed unused grass_main

The endless could be removed here, in case the tee from under hits the endless off

That's what I meant

and it would help stack the entities

Can't see the deep, I'll edit it when you are finished

moved endless off more to the left and made the switch you fall on in the last part vertical

Updated the deep

Is it normal the corners are placed inward ?

Display the endless hook

Corners

So many artefacts in the walls

There shouldn't be any entity bug

Look for corner bugs again

If I missed any

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• fixed everything Pipou mentioned
• removed any tiles hidden behind unhookables i found
• changed a handful of corners
• added a separate blocker row in the swing part since arrows are invisible in the new deep

im just wondering what the point of adding time cp inside of spawn tile?

is this many shields necessarily?

yes you need them

I could remove one actually but that would look worse

maybe solution

also if you do as here ^ then rocket will not be half in wall

yeah I can do that, should not change the gameplay of the part from the looks of it

• removed the fragment in the hookables
• made the grenade spot one tile bigger as shown in the screenshot

you still have those

Yeah doesn't seem that important to me. Do time cps need to be placed in a strict ordering 1 to X? Cause then it doesn't seem worth the hassle to change all of them

what? just what the point of putting time cp if race didn't started yet xd

^

I still believe that part doesn't fit the rest of the map, it's too awkward and doesn't match with the rest

Reminder : Should be brutal 1 or 2

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a bit sad since I liked that part, but I replaced it with a completely new one that engages the 3 players more equally and is stylistically more akin to the other parts. also I changed the time cps

Can't you guys like just accept it at that point? This seems to be really going nowhere tbh

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the design grass and the white background things should be HD

looks like unfreeze in it

imo stopper should not look like the same with freeze and without

wrong sun-color used for deep

$optimize

• Filled the hole
• Marked anything that isn't unfreeze with another color
• Added freeze in stoppers
• Fixed the deep

• Fixed a spot that didn't make sense

That map uses 4 layers for the exact same thing but I won't touch it, it's super messy

I also moved the groups, they weren't in a good order

• Fixed a few more issues

HD isn't relevant, the design is already minimalist

ty

All design elements that not effect gameplay should be hd

No

Only if it's heavy

The design is empty there

If you want less, just play with entities

We are talking about grass + squares in the back

I have already said that I always do it this way and also see it as a mistake that should be corrected 😁

In the map from pulsar and ravie too, he forgot the outside stones

I had said that the rules should be rewritten, but this was not done properly, the old ones were more detailed.

Maybe that's why we got so many bugged maps where not even the time cp's are set

More detailed rules won't help

Despite the very long and accurate message in

, people still manage to do shit because they don't read it

Also

Maybe we should only start testing maps when the basic things are done right

If the basic rules are not observed, the map should be sorted out directly and only tested when the basic things are correctly done 😁

Sometimes i do not know what to write about bad maps its just always repeats itself

True

there is a cheat at cp10, and useless cp1, if u want to fix it u can still do

yeah there are a couple more, i'll fix the most problematic ones today

• removed useless cp1
• moved the shields in cp15 to fix a skip and made the part a bit more forgiving
• replaced the timed wallhammer in cp4 since it was annoying imo
• in cp6 added the tele so you can go back as long as you didn't fall all the way to the bottom, since failing that way seems pretty unsatisfying / annoying
• in cp14 i added more unhookables so you cant hook there to make the part easier
• i moved cp 8 so you cant partially cheat that part
• removed a small graphical bug in cp11

added unhookable to that part so you cant use the hookable as speedup

u know this?

This looks okay to me since you have to drag the upper guy first anyway, right? So that would only apply to save a fail or smth as far as I can see

u can use it in the part b4

we did bcs i was right side, no way back

still seems acceptable to me as far as i understood

when will the updates come into effect btw?

I mean there is a need for a back tele

It's dumb that u can't go back if both tees fall into tele

Just wait a bit

i've already added the back tele in my previous update

though i guess you're still stuck if you fall all the way down to the bottom, do you think I should add a tele reachable from the very bottom as well?

i mean this

if one tee is there and both fall back ur stuck

yeah but you can go in the tele in the updated if you at least managed to not land on the hookthrough at the bottom. though i guess it's better to always allow the player to go back

actually in the current version you can already always go back since you can just hook the left hookable

ok

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