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decreased map tile size (w * h)

cool design

nice map, everything plays well but this part not, i dunno what im doing wrong but its annoying and hard

the concept is nice but map is like <1min long

maybe add some more parts for every weapon so you atleast play like maybe 3~ min

its hard to tell the difficulty when its 50sec long

from length its 1 and from difficulty maybe 3

its just my opinion but i dont like short maps

length has nothing to do with map difficulty

sure

a part isnt easier to pass if there are 10 or 20 other parts

but if you make part insane 5* and just add 3 parts its nonsense

you still need insane 5* skill to pass the map

imo

doesnt matter if there are 3 or 20 parts

There should be enough gameplay

maybe, but it has nothing to do with difficulty

Not with difficulty but how to rate a map with stars

Long faily maps = more stars

short faily map = less stars

same difficulty

stars is difficutly?

not only that is what i want to say

what do you mean

stars are only for map difficulty

not for map length

So you would give the a map which takes 30min and is everywhere faily the same amount of stars to a map which is 3min long and has simular parts?

I dont guess so

But maybe i am wrong

only the hardest part matters

a map doesnt get easier if it has 10 more easy parts

No but if it has 10 less easy parts

ok but this map is not faily

This has nothing to do if its faily or not.

Just was an example

a map doesnt get easier if it has 10 less easy parts either

I just wanna say that maps with a certain difficulty should have a suitable length of gameplay

you still need the skill to do the hardest part

why?

Of course it get more easy, its a question of concentration too

wat

Or endurance

you can do breaks

you dont have to finish a map in x amount of time

there is no pressure in that sense

I think it is not fair compared to other maps with the same difficulty, although they are longer / shorter, but give the same number of points

significantly shorter / longer

how is difficulty related to fairness for maps?

difficulty is there to show players if they can finish a map or not

its not about how much points u get

points are only a nice side effect

ok, one last question

would we ever release a insane 5* map with 1 part?

no

so why not?

[9:05 PM] Qywinc: There should be enough gameplay [9:05 PM] jao: maybe, but it has nothing to do with difficulty

i never said maps dont need a certain lenght

but what you said about it being related to difficulty is wrong

Ok good

So i would say imo this map needs more parts

can you maybe explain this part nobody got this so far

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739551201435189328/739558299585740862/screenshot_2020-08-02_20-53-07.png

u can use tele laser as normal laser

for first part

ah lel

i will make it more clear

I think its a bit distracting

huh

Its the only time you need to do that, so without help i dont think you will get it on your own

ok ye ill try to make it so u are forced to laser, if it doesnt work ill change the part

I mean

its a good part

but IF you know that

maybe add 1 more before where its obvious to laser yourself

ok

hopefully this makes it more clear

if not then ill try to do a laser beforehand/fix it another way

added some unfreezes, changed last part, fixed broken tileset bug at spawn

timecp+another visual bug i think

• added a stopper at winner room for fun

very nice map i like it a lot

colors stolen from gores map

KOG > DDNET

colors stolen from bees

wtf whos the person in that picture

unfreeze not marked at the end

I would slow down the animations, at least the chains

what is the reason behind the tune_zone for the laser part ? cant it be normal too ?

shorter laser

shouldn't it be marked?

i mean what does it need to be a zone and not just be like the other tunes everywhere ?

doesn't is affect shotgun too?

ohh ok yes

I like how it's so clean in editor

uh short laser is p obvious

if i find a cool way to mark ill mark it

oh u mean telegun

yeah ill mark that

oh and for the tp past cp 7 thing i think its ok since i put the weapon tele so ppl dont accidentially tp over the checkpoint

i dont think u can cheat with it, just put it so ppl dont miss cp

I knew it! fadeout bug

darn

should i add this marking or

i mean idk if its necessary

looks cool

ppl without entities can miss the chat msg

and now they will be like oh what's that

• you made it look cool

but then it would seem like push sg and 0 lifetime rocket should be marked too

I think you will notice weird shotgun 3sec after joining the map

hmm you can discover laser behaviour by shooting too

but ppl seeing the tile with entities have small advantage

since every weapon has its own physics maybe it's not that important to mark it

can you put spawn tune zone and from teleporter on the same place so the tee gets a chat message on respawn? maybe that's too spammy, but it would be a way to send the chat message.

On spawn in many cases you will see other tees using the shotgun as a push shotgun.

the weapons are not complicated here u can find it out

info tune zone could be just one tile in the corner if you rly want to add it

push it 3

Ofcourse Push it 3 will be better than this map

u

ok fixed the bugs

didnt add marking

fixed fadeout bug, tune bug, moved some tps

should this map be 1 or 2?

1* because it has short parts with many checkpoints, it's not faily at all

or 2* because it has some advanced weapons meachanics

STOP VOTING 2*

you just want more points

everyone vote 2

I can remove my vote from 1, i just made it for fairness (deleted it because now it has another vote)

cool map

you can snap the chains to grid to remove the weird flickering idk

idk if someone else sees it

ok ill try

I will make it $ready 2, still have 2 weeks to make minor changes

ok

$ready 2

ok chains are better

u could just use normal tele instead of whatever this nouis sorcery is (0 0 )

no then id have some cp and some tele

tbh this is one of the few maps where normal tele makes perfect sense

too late

normal tele > cp tele

normal tele > cp tele

Blasphemy

big fan