https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6478

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Oblikumquat and me could not do this part. Mby someone else can show how to do this?

you are supposed to get over the teleporters without dummy, catch him and drag him through the hole below

weakness of that map is unreachable

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explain rating pls

What exactly should I explain? I can tell you that it is uncreative, unplayable, ... - but I guess that is not what you want to hear

Would like to know why you,

and

overrated this map so badly

How is it unplayable, everything fits and works?

Im sorry, but plainly saying the map is uncreative, unplayable or bad just doesnt cut it for me. I want to know why you think so

Have you had a look on the map already

?

http://prntscr.com/k7zcbz

rekt

OK, so this map includes 90% gores, shouldn't be on DDNet with 10% of DDRace parts (and yes, dragging a deeped tee through gores parts is still gores for me, they even got a server for this on KoG), the map is clearly unbalanced from my sight, the gores parts are way too hard and some are also way harder than other ones, the actual DDRace parts are super uncreative, unplayable and don't flow well in any way, the Gores parts don't flow well in my opinion too and are not creative (but I am not a KoG tester).

The map also has an "insta-rq" start, you get to do a weird and faily part, followed by an unfaily pretty hard part that is also hard to figure out, the whole map turns out bad for me (except for the swings), sorry..

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for the swings

Would be better off at KoG

I dont agree with that, there are alot more "parts" that requires the dummy to complete it

Got to agree with Freezyboy

So... You dont drag the dummy through the map all the time? (DDRace Drag Dummy Race) Mby we as a community defined ddrace as smth different nowadays but simplification of DDRace is to drag a dummy. Isnt the map about to drag the dummy arround or am i complete wrong about my POV?

Well I agree with Freezestyler cuz it's 90% dragging your dummy through a gores and it doesn't fit well to the ddrace parts the parts are way to long

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i dont think its fair to destroy this maps ratings just because u dont like gores oO im not fan of gores either but come on 2 creativity.. u shouldnt put subjective tastes into the judgement imo the map shouldnt be released (even if it reaches enough points) because its way too much gores but that doesnt mean we cant rate it objectively

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why? gores is part of ddrace and we released gores maps in the past

and I think we released another dummy gores map before

anim ? dummygores

u didnt rate design btw

we released gores maps in the past but we also denied some because "gores belongs more to kog than ddnet" so thats not even an argument

for me this map is much more like freezestyler said a gores-dummy-drag (which they have a category for) than a "ddrace-dummy" map

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I never declined a gores map with that reason. if one was declined, then because it didn’t meet ddnet‘s standards. so I told them to try at kog since their standards are differently. I suppose if this gets the required ratings, it meets our standards ☝️

Meat x)

xd

Yes, imo ddrace combines all mods so technically everything could get released

fair enough then xd

Technically if everything had in the middle a hookthrough tile to seperate the player from the dummy would it still be gores if the failiness stood the same?

And as for the map release i stayted my opinion above. ^^

I think you shouldn’t care so much about what ddrace as a name refers to. and I don’t think it originates to gores elements

Then from where does it originates from and why is it called DDRace? I dont know the answer for that so would be great if someone enlightens me.

Well then if we are judging this as a gores map, good gores maps are not just straight tunnels with some holes, and that's exactly what the bigger portion of this map is.

There are good hard gores maps?

i call lies!!🤔

if you compare something like this to straight lines

So you are saying that since its just straight line everybody can manouver with good movement, good accurcy and controll of hook throught the hole map with closed eyes? I agree with you on that this doesnt seem to be a good gores map but like

there are good gores map which test your skill.

I'm just saying I doubt a map like this would be accepted on KoG either because more than half of the map is straight lines

Give me an example of a good map for KOG server, please.

The image above

I know it's really hard to find a decent map on KoG but there are a couple good ones

hm? ~"I'm just saying I doubt a map like this would be accepted on KoG either because more than half of the map is straight lines"~ on what map are you refering then? I thought on that pic you just showed me 😦

I was referring to Unreachable, the map on the image has no straight lines, does it?

it should show in the ratings if the map is bad

so no issue there

No, it wouldn't. Map ratings don't show how well mapped or structured a map is or other technical stuff

structure is covered by flow

Not per se

how well it's mapped by playability

well it's supposed to be

structure is not just flow

and for a gores map like in this case structure is something completely different

the structure that matters is covered by flow*

Well straight tunnels as gores maps may flow well but it's not interesting at all

I wouldn't say going straight all the time is good flow

and just having tunnels attached in 90 degrees angle is also not well structured

If you just swing across straight tunnels and across bends it flows better than having to avoid obstacles but thats not what gores is about

I guess you can place obstacles in a way that makes it flow well

sure you can but then you are still not making straight rectangular tunnels

yes?

placing random obstacles in tunnels is also not a good way to make gores

if you treat this as a gores map, judge it as one

obviously \:D

did anyone not do so?

Well, I didn't notice anyone mention that this is not a good gores map

"the Gores parts don't flow well in my opinion too and are not creative" freezestyler

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I really do not like the beginning of the map, the first gores drag in 1 tile is very gay IMO and the part that goes after it are too hard, I wanted to rq while trying to finish this part, but after that, in general, i liked the map, except when you take a grenade and you need comeback to your dummy , there too much awkward faily parts while u coming back to ur dummy

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