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these mirrored stuff can cause some prediction(antiping) problems iirc

the bot pointed to these tiles 🥴

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Cool map, will check it again

Hi cok

fps drops 10 times when I turn on the author's design...

Ignore them for now, the bot isn't updated and the map seems to use the new speeders ^^

because of these two groups, delete them and youll get your fps back

i hate that theyre not hd, mapper pls fix

if remove them in low quality, the map will not be informative

low quality = remove stuff for better performance

x 1085 y 66

• removed all animations for low graphics and added new tiles to indicate (for laser and sg)
• removed unfreeze [1085; 66]

i tested the map with

but we were too noob so we gave up, 8/10

fix dsgn

where did the difficulties arise?

the first 2 seconds

exit spawn?

yes

it was too hard to touch the start tile

since its easier to play this map in design (imo at least), ,u should make it more playable

for example, the weap tps shouldn't animate from brown/blue to white IMO

and the background needs a bit more contrast, atm its rly hard to see where tele is

in other words, black tele on dark grey bg isnt really fun

id make bg a bit lighter

map is fun IMO

angle bind makes this a lot easier and i feel like it's almost a necessity -- i was playing with it for all the setups

the flow on this swing back is sometimes weird -- i hit the corner at the top a lot going up

otherwise its cool move

ending swing of this is too hard imo, unless i was doing smth wrong

otherwise i enjoyed it (apart from angle bind setups which i think is just an unfortunate reality of parts like this)

this swing still possible even though it doesn't skip anything, it might confuse people

agreed, i think move the tele-loop down a bit

also tbf i think you should change the map name since there's no telegun in this 😅

• changed the name of the map
• changed the animation of teleports (laser: dark blue -> blue, sg: dark brown -> brown)
• changed the 11th part (screenshot)
• made the background a shade of gray

send a file with the old name?

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-oui-gif-27699370

ask someone to rename the map if you want to

Who should I ask?

just wait for a tester to check this channel

do you want the name "LoopRay"?

Yes, louis said that the previous name doesn't fit

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Very cool map. I would remove the mandatory jump in the beginning (before startline), so speedrunning the map is more fun

reworked the spawn

its clean, nothing inportant for me to add, a bit stale for me, but you did it perfect for the design type you used.

10/10 🍌

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

• high detail (animation) for logo is disabled
• pt2 (screen 1): stoppers removed and speedup adjusted. Now speedup pushes equally upwards. Add more tp
• pt9 (screen 2): moved the wall to the right
• pt10 (screen 3): made the platform longer
• pt11 (screen 4): moved the wall to the left, now it's easier to hook after the swing. Add the tp for a laser shot. Closed skip

tested with triki

Cool map. A bit unfortunate that you kind of have to use the angle bind but fun nonetheless.

I found a few small things but should be ready after for me. :)

1. Can you move the hookable a bit to the right so it's easier to get more speed? Also maybe replace the first few stoppers with unhook because sometimes you get into them too far and hit the tele.
2. Is it possible to cut this corner a bit to get a clean swing?
3. Tele here to get back faster if you messed up or forgot to press d?
4. This is the only slow part of the map. Would be great if you can speed just that section up a bit. ^^
5. Delete a bit of tele here? I sometimes touched it if I didn't get max height on the previous swing.
6. The hook here feels very awkward in my opinion since you need good speed and a very late hook. Maybe you can shift it up a bit?
7. Are the unhook tiles here needed? I keep swinging into them. xD
8. (Found by chujozo100x) If you dj at a specific height the second shot barely doesn't make it. Moving the unfreeze or spacing them a bit more should fix that.

1-2. Changed

3. Added a tp
4. Added speedup
5. Changed the tp
6. Moved the hook higher
7. Completely redesigned part
8. Fixed

I can't see anything here (as well as on all other coordinates)

you need to download nightly in order to see them

Please update your client, all your speedtiles are outdated as well

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1. You missed the design here. ^^
2. It's now possible to do the part in two different ways. Is that on purpose?

1. fixed
2. returned the stoppers (closed blue arrow)

(Noting changed, the bot just doesn't want to upload it.)

Looks good. :)

Maybe you could add a hint at the start that the fire delay is changed for the second ready. :D

And for the entity players you could move the speedup. (pointed out by exosphere)

Nothing major but if you want to do it feel free.

changed and marked speedup

I would like the players to figure out the mechanics of the map on their own (without hints)

That's fine. Map is still ready to me.

ye map is ready i agreed. only this for me was issue, but not critical.

my fps drops from 1400 with entities on to 90 with entities off

even with fps improvements on nightly

envelopes eat fps hard

Ouch, I didn't notice that since I have my fps hidden. Yes there are a lot of envelopes. (131)

Sad, will need to play with details off but it doesn't quite look the same. Can't just dump the effort either though.

maybe somehow can reduce the amount of it

Yo, I tested your map and I'm just listing a few things I would suggest you to change. Good map overall and I had fun playing :D

Last swing of the first part felt unsmooth and could easily be fixed if you made something like the first swing of the part.

If I hook the top of the 3x3 it happens sometimes, that I swing above the stoppers. adding 2-3 would fix it.

Sometimes it happens, that I barely touch the speeder. That leads to me getting really slow to the left and not even touching the corner.

I guess you could put the 3x3 + the HT one tile higher or add another speeder below to fix it.

Shotgun is missing (catseye found)

Minor issue, but I always lose all my speed here and it feels so unsmooth getting through it.

Most of the time I'm losing all my speed here as well

If the start was more to the left, I wouldn't need to run these extra tiles and it would increase the flow of the part. Maybe you can put it right after the unfreeze or even in between the unfreeze? Test around :D

I'm clipping the corner sometimes and it would be smooth if i had enough space every time so it wouldn't happen.

I only had the issue at this part, but after the shot I kept jumping too early because of the empty gap after the shot. Maybe there could be as much freeze below as possible? Would be nice if you can test if it works.

background is making me dizzy

It makes more sense, but when first playing and trying I didn't know that I had to shoot the laser first and then the sg. Otherwise the part didn't work, because the sg was already gone.

There should be info at the beginning of the map telling you the "needed" bind for this map. Probably with tune zone the easiest.

If you give the player a hint to jump, then these jump symbols should be found on all the other parts where you have to jump as well. But I think the parts are loaded with special tiles already and it takes the player a clear head to figure out what to do in a part... I don't know if that right now is the best solution.

The amount of special tiles used on this map should be heavily reduced if possible. The amount of entities confusion caused is just too much to deal with for an average playthrough. Especially (but that means not only!) pointing out the insane amount of entities instructions while already featuring this heavy amount of special tiles. There are quite some balancing issues on this map imo. I'd ask you to compare part 10 to part 11 (yes it's the last part but it's still thrice as long as the usual parts you used) for example. You might want to adjust this. Additionally I want to underline that the background is likely to cause dizzyness due to the para values it has so you might want to reduce it (or change the background entirely if the issue remains).

touching the corner. u about this corner?

If so, you don't need to touch it, im right?

The amount of special tiles used on this map should be heavily reduced if possible To be clear can u plz take random part and do it clear? he will use it for reference.

cus i don't understand what u wanna clear. Maybe my eyes have already gotten used to this kind of spam and it doesn't bother me anymore.

I only find that what can be cleared without losing anything useful.

There are quite some balancing issues on this map imo. I'd ask you to compare part 10 to part 11 (yes it's the last part but it's still thrice as long as the usual parts you used) for example. You might want to adjust this.

You are comparing the part where one weapon (shotgun) is used with the part where two weapons (shotgun+laser) are used. Obviously, the two weapons part will be longer, and I don't see that as a big problem.

numbering tp not help?

king of cl_mouse_max_distance 2; +toggle inp_mousesens 1

so?

I don‘t need to. I was saying that im way slower and im not getting boosted into the corner by the speeder when I hook low.

In design you wont know. I don‘t think it is important to mark tho.

The weapon is missing xd

As a hint for the player

What does missing mean? Did the player not have enough speed to reach sg?

ig its mean sg didnt hit tee.

how?

In entities you put an information for the player whether they have to use shotgun or laser on a part. You didn‘t put the sg in entities there

You mean that?

Yes

• Changed the above mentioned parts
• Changed the parallax of the background
• Added information about the bind to tune

I didn't quite understand what kind of special tiles are used on the map, the number of which needs to be reduced.

I'm still keeping 0 of my speed, don't you wanna keep the flow going?

here too

The point was, that you use Weapon tele + arrows inside them + weapons as a hint for the player + more arrows + a hint for the player to jump + speedups sometimes

For the gameplay purpose only weapon tele is needed

And it looks messy and confusing. Especially for players who play it for the first time and need to figure out what the markings are supposed to mean.

I would suggest to remove the arrows and Jump hint completly + the WASD keyboard sign isn't necessary as well. That would be totally okay if the players needs to figure it out, even tho it seems pretty obvious.

keeping it like that would look cleaner

These also don't seem necessary at all

Would be good if you could remove all of those

These too

If he adds speed, the part will be broken.

Has to be adjusted ofc...

1st: I said for example, the mentioned part 10 is much easier in comparison to some more parts as well and this applies to some other parts too

2nd: Having 2 weapons already makes the part harder and then you decided to make it 3 times as long, I don’t see how it must obviously be longer

3rd: Thank you

for elaborating the entities issue

what u mean here? bad flow or part dont work cus u have 0 speed?

• deleted the special tiles
• part 6. moved the tp by 1 tile to the left, now it should unfreeze earlier
• last part. Simplified the first hook. 1 swing has been removed. The ending has been improved

In case you didn't know

Not the middle

In the same part

Maybe?

I just mentioned them, in case you wanted them to connect at the middle or at the side

The marked speeder doesn't look needed. Btw. it is possible to land where I am.

Doesn't look needed as well. Or is it needed for the speeder below?

the arrows go wrong here

If you put the freeze maybe a little bit later, you won't even need the speeder and you could keep more speed also. Please test.

Also think about this again please.

Also part 10 is still way easier than other parts

I would let last part pass imo.

• changed the animations of the points (centered, etc.)
• changed the beginning of part 8 (now you can not fall on the edge)
• changed the last part
• deleted speedup in part 3 (it seems that the bug disappeared from the new version if you fall on the left wall)

upd

Optimized:

Yay, cool map. 🙂

when release

your map has just been released, and you now have a 2-week grace period to identify and resolve any unnoticed bugs or skips. After these two weeks, only design and quality of life (QoL) fixes will be allowed, provided they don't impact the leaderboard rankings. Be aware that significant gameplay changes may impact and lead to the removal of ranks. Good luck with your map!

fixed skip:

• added option -

. Now, after the player's death, the laser also disappears.

• fixed part 2 (video)
• fixed skip part 10 (tested with J$ON). Added more forced and Max speed for speedup (skip similar to part 2).

Post-release updates need to be uploaded manually. Please reach out to an administrator.

That might have an effect on ranks

relevant for speedrun ranks

current r1 time might be legit with his old time of 2:04 but otherwise i think it can be fixed right?

I mean it might give anyone speedrunning an advantage

Removing all ranks seems disproportionate as it’s mostly about speedruns, I guess removing ranks under 3 minutes would make room for fair and new competition again?

doesn't it only matter for top5 to top10 only? some skips need more practice within a speedrun and are only really about a few seconds

i dont care, but it would reduce the work for the admin

Did anyone even use it in a speedrun?

if the map doesnt get updated within 24 hours me and freezy could look through a few demos to see if the skip was used.

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

your fault for applying as mod, now go to work!

the skip was used, but not in speedrunning

J$ON said that top 2.03 is skipped, but 2.04 is clean (but I personally didn't see this run)

not sure tho, i didnt see any demo. thats just what the gyungkusang guy said

None of the top ranks are skipped

cp2 gyunk skipped

mmmmm i think 02:03 is posible without the skip

Nah

Just look at the time diff

i just watch his run

i havea 02:04 and my run was bad

he said himself that he skipped the 2:03 run

and i said before the skips are about some seconds. Cp2 skip is like 1sec

I did the cp2 skip and it saved like 3 sec

im pretty sure i can do 2:03 without the skip

yea doesnt matter tho

he skipped with it xd

oh

so the time is not the problem?

sorry mb

Don't you know how to see timecp?

You're faster than the rank 1 in part 2

the skips save you some sec in a speedrun. and if he is currently r1 with a used skip which will get fixed, it will be harder or in some cases impossible to beat their rank

idk if i should tell it but there is a nother skip

did u see the fixed version?

nope

okay

maybe im talking to soon

he fixed another skip as well

those who 👃

imo u shouldnt really fix these skips with the 2 week period

only annoying fails or stuff like half map skips

skips that require some skill / arent too huge are fine, it lets speedrunners have more skill expression imo

if the mapper wants to remove when would he remove it outside of the 2 week period?

what i mean is u should just never remove them, just accept the fact ur map has skips

otherwise u have to worry about deleting top ranks etc. for what? just so speedruns look more perfect or smth

deleting ranks is part of the 2 week system and also those skips looks really boring and doesnt add anything to the map

meh

i dont really like when the rule is used like this

(imo this whole 2 week shit is bad af anyways)

then speedrunners might as well wait 2 weeks after any release if the mapper wants to fix skips

yep

you might want to update to the last version, we can check for ranks (that might be of competitive relevance due to giving rank points) that are affected after the update

this is more theory than anything else, the 2 week rule has been around for almost 2 years and to my knowledge there hasn't been a single incident where a skip has been kept secret for 2 weeks just so the map can't be fixed but i still think that everything should be fixed within the two weeks as long as the mapper deems it necessary

are there not scenarios where a new skip has been found after 2 weeks, not necessarily kept secret though?

i dont know about any map breaking skip since the release of the 2 week rule, only tiny stuff that wouldnt have been fixed most likely anyway (talking about the maps released from summer 2023 - now)

So is this getting fixed?

idk but i really like thoose tips they very helpful) with them u can "oneshot" parts, it is so satisfying.

you can oneshot parts without them too

Need a lot more time to think and remember how to shoot. With them I remembered how to shoot while running without stops to think.

Uploading now

Can we go through the ranks tomorrow?

I might have some time in the evening

Great

Update should be live

So every rank got wiped?

No, only those where it has been cheated and affected rank points (so top 10 placement)

No, we only deleted yours.

Ah okay

Nuh uh i'll remove yours