why 2 nightstar

because many people asked me when the following map of the first one is coming 😃

There was 2 channel of nightstar 2 that's why he asked the question I guess

oh, idk maybe it was a bug

had the bot running 2 times

-> 2 channels

$rate balance=8 flow=8 creativity=3 playability=7 fun=2 design=1 bonus=0

nice for team 0

^ vote again please, didn't work

$rate balance=8 flow=8 creativity=3 playability=7 fun=2 design=1 bonus=0

$rate balance=5 flow=8 creativity=4 playability=8 fun=2 design=1 bonus=0

$rate balance=6 flow=8 creativity=3 playability=9 fun=3 design=2 bonus=0

$rate balance=7 flow=7 creativity=3 playability=7 fun=3 design=2 bonus=0

$rate balance=6 flow=5 creativity=4 playability=5 fun=2 design=2 bonus=0

Remove the logo outline

$rate balance=8 flow=6 creativity=4 playability=7 fun=3 design=1 bonus=0

$rate balance=7 flow=7 creativity=3 playability=7 fun=2 design=1 bonus=0

Lack of stars at zoom = 8

should be possible to go back after finishing

some sort of hint here I guess. it's not really one of those maps were you look ahead before playing

not mandatory, but I would swap hammer on and off marking (white positive, dark negative)

pretty sure the start will cause blocking. blue arrows show that you kinda need to cross ways a bit there. the yellow platform is small af and going right (red arrow) can be slow if you (have weak and) want to hook people to the right. that you get frozen when jumping through start doesn't help either

kinta as second part is also not good (espcially since the plaftorm above ends early)

$rate balance=7 flow=7 creativity=2 playability=6 fun=2 design=0 bonus=0

nothing really creative besides stopper part and deep

$rate balance=6

some parts get pretty hard towards the end

$rate balance=7 flow=7 creativity=4 playability=7 fun=3 design=1 bonus=0

Some changes 😃

$rate balance=7 flow=8 creativity=3 playability=6 fun=4 design=2 bonus=0

This map feels like a hammerfly map basically. For that i rated the flow 8 since i looked at it as a HF map. Many tight corridors and some standard normal parts proceed throughout the whole map. I rly like hammerfly maps as seen in the fun rating. Some slight adjustments in balance needed but it sholdnt be the main problem of this map. It lacks in creativity as i pointed out above. Mby rework 2-3 parts to boost the creativity a bit.

I think creativity 3 is still pretty generous for this map and flow 8 is a huge overestimation, if there was a rating for how well the map was mapped I would rate it pretty low as well

The rating system is very subjective since we dont have stricted rules to what we have to look at in each category. E.g. flow needs to fulfill point 1,2,3 and so on to rate is as a 10. For an 8 it needs to fulfill point 3,2,4. Just an example

Therefore i rated it as a 8 since its my personal taste

Do you think this map has excellent flow?

Since i looked it as a hammerfly map yes. For that matter i think so

the last screen looks impossible to fail

have you tried yet?

no but such parts can be evaluated from screenshot if u played such parts a lot

but i probably should play it before testing thats why i said i evaluated it from screen

tested ingame and for me the thing next to it on the right is way failer

Few little changes, based on screens 😃

"0-3: Poor, 4-5: Fair, 6-7: Good, 8-10: Excellent Do you think this map has excellent flow?" (

) - No, I agree that the Map Release Squad members mostly rate it way too high (also on other maps), this map shouldn't get more than a "fair" flow rating

its clearly that u dont like my maps a lot of people liking this map, of course a few not, but when u rate the flow with fair its clearly underrated, i dont say its excellent but its at least good 😃

I'm talking about the flow ratings in general and ye, I don't really like your maps

Ravie your thoughts are so stupid. Yes, it's an open map like this but creativity is put into it. Creativity is not about making some crazy parts like flux zzzz you tilt me

Point out what you find creative enough about this map to get a good rating

if your concept of creativity is creating new maps over and over again creativity will be at zeros one day

cause there are no game changes being made

don't you understand that?

creativity can stand for how parts are connected and thinked of

now only for new parts

where are these parts connected in a creative way?

"thinked of" this is literally this "creating new maps"

Creativity literally means making something interesting and new, and I don't see those traits in this map

it feels like you wanna make the map look better than it is xd

creating new maps

doesn't mean creating new parts

?xd

same parts = new map?

parts that were used before

can be used in a different way

for ravie

creating a new map

is creating maps like flux

if you use parts in a original way, it's creative tho

where you just create parts based on stoppers

and boom

TOP

ez release

he used it

in an original way

which one?

which one what

What do you think TOP has to do with Flux lel

relating ez release to flux is also really wrong xd

xd

it's just dumb to only give creativity to maps with new parts

i eman

like thjat

you wouldn't release any map like stronghold and ngithstar

because they aren't creative

?

but most of community love them

so whats the problem

u create maps for people or for urself?

for myself

😄

If someone is able to make a good strongclone, that actually has parts release shouldn't be a problem

I mean this is stupid: "it's just dumb to only give creativity to maps with new parts". if you give more points because you want the map to be released, the rating systems looses all its integrity

NOT THAT

forget

"To get released, a map needs an overall score of 25 points as well as fairly well results in each main criterion (4 points)"

seems like this map wont be released

$rate creativity=4

I think this map deserves at least fair creativity

i dont understand that logic

i know that by ur standards if there was a stronghold 3 it shouldnt get released, yet the community loves it

so what do we do?

We keep releasing strongholds until everyone gets sick of them and no longer likes them

Like aim‘s or what?

auto release for maps that get 5 fun

(such maps should get that going by that logic)

"We keep releasing strongholds until everyone gets sick of them and no longer likes them" this will never happen xd

so what will happen to this map? xd

bot

Still waiting for more tests or a decision, i think the map is on his final version... so ye 😃

my issue about the start hasn't been fixed sufficiently. also, rico's suggestion to make it harder makes no sense at all. beginnings like this have to be easy so that players are able to progress and don't block the start

revert that one please

Start should be good now

😃

still waiting for checking out the start

; come on its a thing about 2 minutes xd

2 and a half minutes

I dont understand why the map is waiting just for the start that someone looked on it... o.O

Tag all testers that didn't test yet.

Your map should actually be tested since it's prioritized since 1 and a half week

this must be then

&

i think

scroll up before highlighting lol

3 of ur 4 highlights actually tested it..

give a rating ≠ testing

im pretty sure that meant the ones who hadnt rated it yet (and if not then its about the actual testers, not mrs members

)

then tell me who is a tester besides

i dont see a tester group in discord

😉

read through all of

please

what will u say me with this? just get the map a ready xd

the answers to your questions can be found there

and now u read what snail wrotes 😃

additional info to what he wrote can be found there too, yes

oh gosh, why u not just watch the start and give it a go, you critism the start because of blocking, now u cant block 😃

and again no response xd

still not ideal

basically the issue with the first throw is that people who want to do the part and those who just want to skip through have to cross ways. that's also worsened due to the throw not being easy and recovering your mate requiring to cross ways with others.

then if you are down and want to hook people out, it may take long due to having weak-hook. blocks people that don't want to hook someone out, but want to progress (jump to the right)

next is a hammer-hit with one hard spot which people might need to think about how to do (or which they will simply fail), which ultimately also slows people down

lastly you have a kinta-fly, where people that fail and drop down, might fall on you; also causing blocking. additionally, the kinta is also quite hard (especially the end). (as a general note: kinta as an early part is never a good idea)

the kill tiles in pre-last part seem kinda unnecessary punishing to me

no style corners

the background quad shouldn't be HD

you have unused envelopes, and I wonder if

is ok with you stealing his falling star animation

` has to be external

would be good to be able to get hammer back here so that you can help failed people. needs to be a solution that doesn't spam chat tho

So; what I fixed now:

• first part (hh) ist a bit easier now -> I dont will change other parts, I will stick to them if u like it or not, I think map is good like it is as 4* Brut.
• design bug (corners)
• added hammer on hookfly part
• jungle_deathtiles are external now
• background isnt HD anymore

About the falling star; its just a falling star nothing big important for a credit or something like that xd, i can delete it if he wants it but makes for me not really a difference

The kill tiles in the pre-last part is like the falling star, nothing need but looks more dangerous If u fall in there you r death anyway, so I will not delete them

I only change bugs/design bugs for now, I like the map and I will not rework or change any parts! :) So take the map like it is or not, the map received enough points to get released like it is so i dont have to change because of your personal dislikes or whatever

& hopefully i will get now a decision if release or not 😉

& not in a week...

the kill tiles make a difference if you play with more than 2 people, isn’t only a psychological thing

will pull the results on sunday/monday btw

btw I explained reasons as to why stuff is bad, not sure how you think about it as "personal dislikes" lol. feel free to counter my arguments tho

i just see personal dislikes^^; & i think you proberbly know why 😃

well, i dont wanna change it so if u take the map, u also have to take the kill tiles on the part 😃

good to know

ye you only see personal dislikes because that’s easier than accepting criticism

no but i will give u a hint; teamspeak 😉

i can take critism but not when i no what u talked about the map 😃

"will pull the results on sunday/monday btw" - still waiting

It's only thursday

we talked about last sunday/monday

😃

its approved, isnt it?

y

you should allow people to go back after the last door, can lead to unnecessary fails and is not really team 0 friendly

also you should be able to leave the finish room solo (not as important tho)

it's the last thing I'll ask you to fix btw

i dont will change it

i like it how it is

For a team 0 hh map there is way too little space in the first part, imagine 15 tees trying to do the first section at once, it just wouldn't go. Look at good maps of this type (for example 'Back in the...' series), there is always enough of space in the first part to disperse the tees a bit before the parts start. In the last part you should just remove the door and allow people to go back and save others, a switch part in this type of map doesn't fit in anyway.

like i said; i dont will change anything

take it or leave it 😃

xdd

Or decline it

i dont care anymore actually xd

if u take it do it, if u decline it do it^^

declining it then, it's too big of an issue to simply not care about it

xd

the map has gotten enough points for a release, so release it 😃

my map, my decisions, map got enough points for release

for what the ranking with points when u dont even care?

u literally said u don’t fix it because u don’t care and that I can do what I want

so now don’t come with complaints

because the is nothing to fix

😃

no bugs, no skips

= no fix required

whatever, no time for whatever ur trying to play here

and i will discuss becuase i said "i dont care anymore" you never cared about anything in testing xd

why? because im right?

thats true, i am right

just release it and were good 😃

... give me answers 😃

? you answered yourself

release the map

ΔWΞSƟΜΞgestern um 18:46 Uhr i dont care anymore actually xd if u take it do it, if u decline it do it^^

right; just did it the way he is acting or did u ever see him care about testing? he created a "new" testing system what is absolutly shit; even worse then the one before

map was approved, got enough points for release and there are no bugs or skips i dont fix his personal suggest because there r shit 😃

so and MY map was approved like the map is atm so i dont

's "awesome" suggests xd

*fix

is there any word in the future coming from you

? 😉

no

there is no point in talking to u since u will call any of my arguments/explanation/whatever shit

no matter how valid they are

i called your suggest shit

when i want a finish like this, my problem, there r a few other maps with a finish like this

shit suggest

you want that the door in the pre last part opens from the other side

shit suggest#

what r this for suggests? mate this is no reason to decline it xdddddd

for what is the ranking in testing?

if it would be a bug or a part i would disagree aswell i would change it, no problem but not in your personal suggest when the way i want it is okay aswell

You wanted to look like a cool boy and didnt expect that he will decline it

and now u just crying lol

+1 with kicker, i like the map and i think it would be a shame if it goes to waste but dont put it on jao after u said "i wont change anything idc anymore, if thats not ok u can just decline it" (which he did) ...

as

mentioned switches in a complete t0 map is not common and i think it should stay like this, in general that switch is unnecessary and doesnt fit your map at all, just remove switch and map is good to go for release, and if you say you do not care whether it will be released or not we will rather decline it than release since you are not willing to fix major flaws.

Enough points doesn't mean "ready for release" it only means that MRS decided the map is good enough for release but still has to be checked by testers for gameplay flaws. If you refuse to cooperate the map might get declined. In this case the start area is a pretty serious flaw for a team 0 map

the problem is (

) i would understand him, but we have a lot of discussions in the past what makes me act like this

i dont see the map as t0 map

But it is

can played as t0 but is better to play in team like the first version

obviously it is

All those "freeze" maps are team 0 whether you see it or not

maybe for u, i didnt mapped this map for only t0

You can also play Stronghold in a team duh

would it be game breaking to remove this 1 switch

?

anyway, i just acted like this because of the past like

acted to me thats also a reason why i dont fix his personal suggest

also i think the map is good to go like it is

no it isnt, but that was not his suggest

I don't mind the switch as much as the blocky start area

he asked to make it able to go back; like a door opener on the other side...

would remove the switch completely

when i fix his suggest, like the switch door & the finish you r able to go back the whole map and block anywhere u want

so the start isnt a problem

ehm xd i think you know what i mean, just forgot a few words xd

It's not about blocking on purpose, it's about many tees at once trying to pull on the ht thing and then do the tight hh part

ye but when i speak for t0; you should have the patience to wait

because when u play in big teams you also have to wait for slower people so i dont see there a "big" problem

Nobody is gonna have patience to wait to do the first part

then they should play in team

lmfao

I know you have a personal problem with me, that's why I asked Ravie to test the map and share his genuine opinion - but instead of listening to what he says, you continued to face everything we said with ignorance

in a t0 map ?

so what do you actually want lol

wtf, i talking with him and show him my way i see it

tell me where i show ignorance omg

*im

not every discussion is bad like ours

and ye i have a problem with you, like you with me 😃

? answering with "I don't care do whatever you want" to constructive feedback is pretty ignorant

based on your answer because his text was based on your arguments

ur trying so hard to prove your point and piss me off that you even ignore stuff coming from others because they share my opinion?

whys u want to discuss now? few minutes ago you didnt wanted to talk with me

and didnt u said u dont want to discuss with me anymore?

ok

then lets end this now

but with the last sentence u wrote i agree, i did it

map stays declined, end of the story

hahahahahaha

now u cant take critism xd

I don't see criticism besides u saying I should play your ignorance game

is it really such a big deal to make this?

actually no it isnt

then why not fix it

Imo the switch is not a huge problem it just doesn't fit at all in this map but if you're gonna be this stubborn about it

because a few days ago jao was ok with the start i did it now

just scroll up and read his messages

if u don't fix it due to pure ignorance, what I said doesnt matter; I stepped back from it cause I thought it was a big deal for u

and

i just did it because the first map has it in aswell; im can remove it but this wasnt suggested yet

but since u basically just didnt fix anything cause it came from me, I won't step back from anything, doing ur brainfucked attitude a favor

was just suggested to make a way back possible

don't escalate things, he just agreed to fix the start

feel free to ready this map if u want to, I'm done with it tho

I haven't tested the rest of the map a whole lot

funny; i remember that you were done with the map since day 1 😃

but the start is the only real issue I see

ye I wasted my time testing and posting suggestions because I was going to decline it anyways

mate you know exactly what i mean

Idk what the situation between you two is, but your last 2 maps weren't declined

1 one them just because of welf

second idk maybe he had a good day

start is fixed & i deleted switch

oh i remember

second was released because of rayb 😃

I could say whatever I want, you wouldn't believe it anyways

no

i would if its right

maybe

yes and what is right is what you want to be right xd

also true when it comes out of your mouth

but proberbly if u want maybe we can talk sometimes about it 😃 maybe there is a way for me to take you serious

You forgot to remove the front layer ht on the start

what kind of hurry are you in dammit

wtf i dont see this

i dont see it in my editor, idk why

no chance, i dont see it

try enabling info

it should show Indexes

also

lemme try anouther client

should be good now

yep

I guess its possible to smuggle a tee there

what happens now? i fixed the problems, still stay as declined?

"29/48 points map got rejected bcuz jao hates the mapper" thats why we love ddnet

it’s not declined, ravie will continue testing (soon). just forgot to send the notification here.. don’t start another drama show geez

(literally just asked an hour ago..)

1 hour and 3 weeks ago or what do u mean?

and why u reject a map before rls? i dont get it

?

read the channel log perhaps

There is only 1 other place with spikes, where they don't make much sense, and design wise those spikes are unfitting so you'd be best off just removing spikes altogether

Moon parallax is weird, and there is not enough stars

Once those things are all sufficiently fixed, Ready Brutal 3*

what exactly is wrong with bg

i dont have that much experience with bgs xd

But here is the fixed version, I didn't fixed anything on bg because im not sure what you mean^^

I meant that if you spectate edges of the map you see there arent stars on the edges (should have enough stars that if you spec with -1 zoom there is enough) and the moon parallax moves only vertically

default zoom

many people play with zoom -1 or even -2

so maps should support it

k

ok i understand, I'm playing also with zomm (-3^^)

The moon is even weirder now xD just give it X2 Y2 or something like that

ok xd

Then it should be good now 😄

I just happened to notice this, if it concerns you you can fix it. But map looks ready.

thats ok i guess, takes more time than the normal way 😄

agree?

I said you can fix it if it concerns you but don't have to

then u can (i think) release it 😄

Still waiting 😃

why is the map released without background?

or

,

whoever released it xd

without background?

it has the same background as on Ravie's last screen for me

okay 😮 for me not, i tried ingame everything but i just see a blue screen

quads turned off or something?

Are your quads and HD enabled?

yep, this was it

thx 😄

:D