#Ryoiki_Tenkai
"Ryoiki Tenkai" by Arrow & Im'corneum [Dummy]
DDNet 04/09/2022 7:50 AM
@Arrow

this is your map's testing channel! Post map updates here and remember to follow our mapper rules: https://ddnet.tw/rules

texnonik 04/09/2022 10:16 AM

switch 7 on not marked ( i think or should be changed like putting it down and above block down and stopper on it (if you don't want to mark ( well i don't know )))

texnonik 04/09/2022 10:18 AM

maybe maybe better time switch as previous parts

texnonik 04/09/2022 10:44 AM

don't understand how to get dummy in cp 10 ...

texnonik 04/09/2022 11:11 AM

don't get last part and solo part ...... is they even possible ?

Very good map i like it !

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:05 PM

Like if it was an aled

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:06 PM

In did it is

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:06 PM

Ty

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:11 PM

This is a video before I made some changes.

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:11 PM

But it’s the same idea

texnonik 04/09/2022 1:16 PM

3:15 not same

@Arrow

there is nothink there

texnonik 04/09/2022 1:21 PM

5:17 you forgot to delete stopers

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:24 PM

xd but it’s the same idea

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:24 PM

An aled

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:24 PM

🧐

Arrow 04/09/2022 1:25 PM

Which

FJP 04/09/2022 3:28 PM

Cool parts but wtf was that music

OneLimeyBoi 04/09/2022 3:32 PM

Most parts are unique and really creative, they have a lot of potential which is not surprising for any map corneum takes part in. Tough I belive sometimes flow suffers because of that there might be minor tweaks to optimize that, especially on part one getting to wall for dj feels odd. Parts I belive to disrupt flow the most are cp1 because of the weird walljump and the need to switch to dummy to press jump midway through the part. Cp2 the part itself feels more sluggish than rewarding. Cp7 the last bit - I personally hate ninja. Cp9 I enjoyed the old setups consitency (see video) more than the recent one. Cp13 is just tideous in my opinon but thats presonal taste I guess.

Over all cool and unique map can't complain much really. Other than infotile design that honestly always confuses me more than looking at the part itself. I like the slight difference in color for part 1 thats created by the freeze maybe implement that - could actually structure some info better especially when you make the slight difference more noticable so it's clearly visible thats just an Idea tho.

FJP 04/09/2022 3:47 PM

While I don't think the flow is that big of an issue in this map, I do think the symbols can be confusing and can be cleaned up relatively easily

FJP 04/09/2022 3:47 PM

here, for example, the switch on the right isnt shown at all, making the part extremely confusing

FJP 04/09/2022 3:48 PM

I think the hammers on the edges can be removed to clean it up

FJP 04/09/2022 3:48 PM

only need one rocket?

FJP 04/09/2022 3:48 PM

missing freeze

FJP 04/09/2022 3:49 PM

overall the map is a banger, its jsut that without the video, I probably wouldn't know how some of the parts worked due to lack of clarity

Arrow 04/09/2022 4:17 PM

marking that would be confusing, i rather let it as it is

Welshi 04/09/2022 4:18 PM

I like the part where your dummy is deep

Arrow 04/09/2022 4:20 PM

fixed some things mentioned above

texnonik 04/09/2022 4:34 PM

maybe maybe better time switch as previous parts

Arrow 04/09/2022 4:34 PM

added hints to some parts

Arrow 04/09/2022 4:44 PM

About the dj on the wall, once u know the way, it will be comfort, now change to the dummy to hold space its not that slow imo (for good players) for example inner peace didnt struggle once he knew how the part worked. I couldn't understand the last sentence about the "slight difference in colour" and thx 😄

Arrow 04/09/2022 4:50 PM

as

@OneLimeyBoi

said too much infos sings will be confusing so i rather let the player do whatever he wants (for example in vice city on this part u dont even need to press those keys)

FJP 04/09/2022 4:57 PM

My point was not to add more info signs, but to make sure they accurately portray the part

FJP 04/09/2022 4:57 PM

how am I supposed to know if theres a switch if there isnt a switch symbol

FJP 04/09/2022 4:57 PM

stuff like that

Arrow 04/09/2022 5:02 PM

got it

Salmonιa 04/09/2022 7:22 PM
@Arrow

ты русский?

OneLimeyBoi 04/09/2022 7:22 PM

Flow is not about speed in switching too dummy to press a button really. It's more about interrupting momentum intentionally to do something. Sure a swap is done quickly, in my opinion it still disrupts gameplay though. Because you need to go out of your way in order to do it. I personally think its better when a dummy p.ex. holds jump the entirety of the part, not just half of it. Hope you catch my drift. Thats all personal preference though, no harm in having a different mindset on it.

The slight difference I mean is that the info fields and tiles in freeze are darker than those outside of it, that way you could establish or transfer info more effectively.

Arrow 04/09/2022 7:49 PM

im from Chile idk what did u said

Arrow 04/09/2022 7:56 PM

oh i search in the translator xd, no im not from Russia

yāccreフレシュマイボイ 04/09/2022 11:09 PM

use copy

yāccreフレシュマイボイ 04/09/2022 11:10 PM

only ninja is ba dflow bc u cant copy

OneLimeyBoi 04/09/2022 11:15 PM

even worse because my copy is bound on k

yāccreフレシュマイボイ 04/09/2022 11:17 PM

i dont udnerstand what to do here so i b instead XD

OneLimeyBoi 04/09/2022 11:20 PM

usually you go up and ninja on right wall up

Arrow 04/09/2022 11:38 PM

known fact, between the cto 7 it was a shield there, but i consider it annoying i think ill put it back since destroy the idea of the part

yāccreフレシュマイボイ 04/09/2022 11:39 PM

better fix becaus skip faster

yāccreフレシュマイボイ 04/09/2022 11:42 PM

well

yāccreフレシュマイボイ 04/09/2022 11:42 PM

can go through everywhre

Salmonιa 04/10/2022 9:08 PM
Arrow 04/10/2022 11:26 PM

As I said known fact and its okay

Knuski 04/12/2022 5:06 PM

i would prefer if u could just get ninja while still hooking the dummy to go directly to the right so u dont have to go down first

Knuski 04/12/2022 5:06 PM

overall decent map

Knuski 04/12/2022 5:11 PM

seems like u forgot to remove the laser blockers

Knuski 04/12/2022 5:13 PM

$waiting

Arrow 04/12/2022 9:13 PM

Thx I guess xd

Arrow 04/12/2022 9:13 PM

Ye, that’s actually better

Arrow 04/15/2022 3:25 AM

Fixed

Arrow 04/19/2022 2:54 AM

added a laser block on cp 12

Arrow 04/23/2022 6:10 AM

i fill the empty space on cp 3 that was below the switch with freeze, besides stop u from doing other stuffs

BEST DDnet tester 05/01/2022 11:51 PM

where corners

BEST DDnet tester 05/02/2022 12:04 AM

wat are those circles

Arrow 05/02/2022 2:48 AM

Hints

Arrow 05/02/2022 2:49 AM

But I’m not sure if they are accurate

Salmonιa 05/12/2022 4:26 PM

everytime i see map name

Salmonιa 05/12/2022 4:27 PM

i see ryoiki_hentai

Arrow 05/12/2022 5:45 PM
Arrow 05/23/2022 12:15 AM

Made some little changes in cp 12, 13 (at the end), and 7

louis 06/01/2022 10:03 PM
louis 06/01/2022 10:03 PM

are speeders needed?

louis 06/01/2022 10:06 PM

they behave rly weird with the speeders and u cant dj

louis 06/01/2022 10:08 PM
louis 06/01/2022 10:09 PM

i dont think u should make dummy hold any buttons like jump

louis 06/01/2022 10:09 PM

at least without marking it

louis 06/01/2022 10:09 PM

forgot what the rules are but usually i think dummy maps need dummy to be afk

louis 06/01/2022 10:09 PM

(unless u are certain mappers lol)

louis 06/01/2022 10:17 PM
louis 06/01/2022 10:17 PM

try to make part not use speeders here

louis 06/01/2022 10:17 PM

also the first part where u have to sling them to the right past those teles is a bit annoying (the 2nd one is fine tho)

louis 06/01/2022 10:24 PM

map has some cool ideas but in general seems like it uses a lot of special tiles and confusing entities/tunes to force the part

louis 06/01/2022 10:24 PM

id try to alter some parts to where they have the same movement but use less confusing tiles

Arrow 06/01/2022 10:51 PM

Nope at least the first 3, the other one i could change it for a stopper I don’t recall why I did that

Arrow 06/01/2022 10:53 PM

I read the rules and I didn’t find something like that, besides if exist somewhere I think it would be really unfair bcs that cuts the creativity to do parts

Arrow 06/01/2022 10:54 PM

I’ll put a sign to warn

Arrow 06/01/2022 10:57 PM

You mean this one?

louis 06/01/2022 10:58 PM

yea

Arrow 06/01/2022 11:49 PM

Okay I’ll something different

Arrow 06/02/2022 12:37 AM

Could you pls mention the parts that were confusing for you?

louis 06/02/2022 12:47 AM

the parts themselvs arent necessarily confusing, its just that once u look at it you get confused since theres lots of special tiles or tunes

louis 06/02/2022 12:47 AM

for example the ninjafly part, its cool part, but the hookblock + switches make it confusing at first

louis 06/02/2022 12:47 AM

as well as the strong hammer tune part

louis 06/19/2022 4:08 AM

$waiting

Arrow 06/20/2022 1:35 AM

i understand but what if i put a number on the switch and a arrow which will gave you a hint at least on the first part, because it will be really hard to make more space on that part that was tight on purpose

Arrow 06/20/2022 2:27 AM

I fixed everything mentioned above + other things. i kept the cp 1 as it was bcs i really dont want to change it so i made the thing that i told above this message so tell me what u think about it. about the speeder i couldnt find another cleaner solution

@louis
louis 06/20/2022 2:48 AM

cant test for a while sry

Arrow 06/20/2022 6:54 AM
Arrow 07/15/2022 8:15 PM

I fixed something thx to

@Cireme
Arrow 07/15/2022 8:15 PM

i remade the beginning

Arrow 07/15/2022 8:16 PM

back to this

Arrow 07/15/2022 8:16 PM

filled this with more freeze

Arrow 07/15/2022 8:20 PM

and an unfreeze here which im still not sure

Arrow 07/23/2022 10:20 PM

some minor fixes, and put info sign on some parts

Arrow 07/23/2022 10:56 PM

Reduce file size

Arrow 07/23/2022 11:03 PM

🆙

Arrow 07/29/2022 1:24 AM

some minor bug

Arrow 08/01/2022 8:31 PM
Arrow 08/05/2022 9:08 AM

$waiting

Arrow 08/05/2022 10:00 PM
Arrow 08/05/2022 10:00 PM

um

Arrow 08/05/2022 10:00 PM

$reset

Arrow 08/05/2022 10:01 PM

bot is broken

Arrow 08/05/2022 10:02 PM
Arrow 08/05/2022 10:02 PM

watafac

Arrow 08/05/2022 10:02 PM
@louis

ill check saturday again and then is ready i think

louis 08/05/2022 10:08 PM

👍

Arrow 08/07/2022 5:52 AM

minor fixes

louis 08/08/2022 5:17 AM
louis 08/08/2022 5:17 AM

can still use hookable here to cross solo

louis 08/08/2022 5:17 AM

make these a tiny bit easier (maybe remove 1 freeze tile each)

louis 08/08/2022 5:21 AM

this thing can still be annyoing if you have a bad cycle between hooking dummy and the bullet

louis 08/08/2022 5:22 AM

try to see if it can work sideways but if not ig its fine although its just a bit annoying

Arrow 08/08/2022 5:32 AM

yeye but imo its ok due its faster just hook the dummy for speedruners

Arrow 08/08/2022 6:30 AM

sideways may be not that clean, but i could delete some unhook so the bullet can do a longer route

louis 08/08/2022 6:32 AM

ok

louis 08/08/2022 6:32 AM

solo at the end seems good now

Arrow 08/09/2022 2:43 AM

1 ss fixed anyways xD 2 ss fixed imo 3 now the time is a bit longer i deleted like 2 tiles

@louis
louis 08/09/2022 4:31 AM
louis 08/09/2022 4:31 AM

add a few more blocks to the left here cus its kinda short area to get speed without jumping into freeze

louis 08/09/2022 4:32 AM

add unfreeze at bottom

louis 08/09/2022 4:32 AM
louis 08/09/2022 4:32 AM

cl_text_entities 0 kek

louis 08/09/2022 4:32 AM

but i dont think it matters it probably gets removed in $optimize

louis 08/09/2022 4:37 AM

ok i think those are final fixes then $ready 3 i guess

louis 08/09/2022 4:37 AM

well also check for design bugs cus im too lazy but i think there arent any

louis 08/09/2022 4:38 AM

also im not gonna check for corners cus it doesnt really matter, but maybe papotav will come in here and find 20 of them

Arrow 08/09/2022 7:57 AM

xD

Arrow 08/09/2022 7:58 AM

maybe came bcs of an append

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:38 AM

fixed

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:38 AM

i checked both things and found none

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:39 AM

and i change 2 things

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:39 AM

i move the tele here 1 tile

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:42 AM
Arrow 08/09/2022 8:42 AM

deleted 1 tele was really annoying

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:43 AM

deleted unnecessary jump refill

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:44 AM

imo 3 star is ok

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:45 AM

i dont think that someone will vote but just in case hahaha

Arrow 08/09/2022 8:45 AM

3 or 4 ⭐ ?

Arrow 08/12/2022 6:08 AM

xd no way 4

louis 08/12/2022 6:14 AM

its 3 fs

Arrow 08/14/2022 10:56 PM

I’ll check again today and after the check it’s ready ig

Arrow 08/15/2022 2:15 AM
Arrow 08/15/2022 2:21 AM
Arrow 08/15/2022 2:31 AM

1.-putted this more to the left 2.- and i fixed "vortex" animation

Arrow 08/15/2022 2:38 AM
Arrow 08/15/2022 2:44 AM

i put the roof like 2 tiles up so the and added 1 hookable so the part can be done "faster" instead of annoying to hook

louis 08/18/2022 9:15 PM

in test servers i only have 1 hookable

louis 08/18/2022 9:24 PM

i feel as this part is generally a bit harder than the rest

louis 08/18/2022 9:28 PM
louis 08/18/2022 9:28 PM

maybe do that at least (idk how else youd make it much easier)

Arrow 08/19/2022 12:51 AM
Arrow 08/19/2022 12:52 AM

Maybe deleting some tele and expanding the ht

Arrow 08/19/2022 12:52 AM
louis 08/19/2022 12:52 AM

its not that part thats hard

louis 08/19/2022 12:52 AM

the last hook on tee is hard

louis 08/19/2022 12:52 AM

and the first double nade

Arrow 08/19/2022 12:57 AM

Mmm imo the hook to the tee on the bottom it’s fine, the only fix that comes in my mind rn is putting tele hook where tele is and delete the ht but that is kinda shitty xd

Arrow 08/19/2022 12:58 AM

This one I agree, I’ll try to make it more easy but idk how would I do it

louis 08/22/2022 11:36 PM

u can just remove 1 or 2 tele as shown in the screenshot

louis 08/22/2022 11:36 PM

u dont need to change the hook ig, i think i just had a skill issue at the time

louis 08/22/2022 11:36 PM

if u aren't home / able to fix them i can do it

louis 08/22/2022 11:36 PM
@Arrow
Arrow 08/23/2022 12:04 AM

I’m not, Sounds good thx

louis 08/23/2022 12:26 AM

wait so u can fix it or should i

Arrow 08/23/2022 1:07 AM

I meant I’m not in home so I can’t fix it xd

Arrow 08/23/2022 1:58 AM

So if u can fix it for me m not going to say no

Arrow 08/27/2022 9:08 PM

fixed, i deleted just 1 tele

Arrow 08/28/2022 5:41 AM

$optimize

DDNet 08/28/2022 5:41 AM
louis 09/07/2022 10:00 PM

ill ready today

louis 09/07/2022 10:00 PM

if i dont forget

Arrow 09/07/2022 10:19 PM

Most likely

Arrow 09/07/2022 10:19 PM

xd

louis 09/08/2022 4:52 AM

$ready 3

Arrow 09/08/2022 6:31 AM

ty

Mystery? 09/17/2022 3:36 PM

You can just disconnect dummy once you get to 13

yāccreフレシュマイボイ 09/17/2022 6:00 PM

XD

Arrow 09/17/2022 7:20 PM
Arrow 09/17/2022 7:27 PM

forgot about the switch