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2 little design bugs fixed

Different?

A large portion of the corners on the map are not harmonized

fixed the bugs and added a little noobfilter b4 the start

I played the map once with a few people, no idea if the community would like the map. For me it wasn't that much fun to play the map, I didn't find the "parts" that great either. I've seen a lot worse maps, it's not like that, but I don't think the map would fit well in my opinion. Imo it would be a decline.

i wanted to map something different than the standard t0 maps that you know

we have enough normal hh maps, i'm bored of them

I don't think we need more oldschool-like maps

so far everyone i've shown the map liked it

what was not liked I tried to change, I added a few t0 skips, I think that's always fun for people 🤷‍♂️ for the tightness i added /spec

It's also good to try out new things, I just think that the map in general is not really well executed.

I wanted it exactly the way it is why its not good?

i like oldschool style maps

I understand that on the one hand, but on the other hand I think the maps are still very popular and a large number of players just want new Hammerhit maps. We can wait for more opinions, but as I said above, imo it would be a decline.

cant wait for the next parts ive already seen or mapped

For me the map has absolutely no flow, the fun factor is very low for me, on the one hand because there is hardly any space, on the other hand because it becomes an absolute fiesta in team 0. I also think that /spec does not solve this problem.

It just makes absolutely no sense to go on the offensive now. In one sentence you say "cant wait for the next parts ive already seen or mapped", in another "i like oldschool style maps" - I mean not a single part in your map is somehow new. I'm trying to give you my opinion constructively, either you accept it or you don't.

its more about the way how its mapped, there are often more than just one way

Mapping style doesn't make up for lack of space, flow, creativity and overall mapping quality

please don't tell me anything about parts, ive already seen my ideas in other hh maps

its not a flow or speedrun map, its oldschool'ish t0 map where u often have to think and care alot

Someone has absolutely no ability to deal with criticism.

Yes, I'm aware of that but oldschool-ish maps in terms of tightness and being overly punishing doesn't go hand in hand with the team 0 (map) standards and therefore my opinion remains the same

maybe its bcs we are just different player with different mindset about maps

I'm just not going to go into it any more. You've heard my opinion. 👍

as i said i've seen everything in t0 maps and there won't be anything new to come, it's like releasing the same maps over and over again. savalic's maps are ok, but it becomes just very samey and boring imo

when i kept playing inception oldschool the last few weeks and the server got full every time i thought to myself people must like this kind of maps or am i wrong? ofc its different but i tried to make it fun to skip in t0 etc

I will check this map later

yeah i thought this map reminded me of inception oldschool and hedgehogs

imo replace 50% of kills with freeze and decent map 👍

hmm i already removed some more kills in the first section of the map, but idk about second section (begins with the auto part)

but u can give me some example where u mean

i didnt play trough the map but the problem is with every single map with 1000 kill tiles

map is too faily = not enjoyable for long periods

its not fun to have 1 try to do every part otherwise you die

i love exploring new styles of mapping ✅

well there are a lot brutal maps where you can fail , but insane level can create every single part faily if mapper wants to .

do you play insane maps?

there is a huge difference between grim reaper and hostile 3

grim reaper does its kill tiles very well

good balance between faily and unfaily

and hostile 3 has 0 balancing in that part

You can't really compare 2 different style imo

i was playing one insane map , it's was very hard to finish 1 part , i was not able . i do not play almost almost at all and i can't play or test on test servers

its ok hostile 3 was tested objectively

yes it was

thats why someone shut down the whole chanel for it

?? the difference between the 2 maps are in the way you play it, hostile 3 = very short, no error, and need some knowledge grim reaper = consistent (cause a bit failly), 10/20 min, and a bit of mecanic and knowledge you can't compare, example binary = long, very mecanic, unfailly

Tested the whole map with dummy, read most of it and played the parts I wasn't sure of. The map is consistent in it's own style, having spec makes some parts really easy imo but if you had in mind the map to be t0 I understand (2p gameplay is better) I also have a problem with these parts (1) Annoying precise hook above into a 1 tile above kill, it's not hard but it's 💤 for me, but it adds to the stress and having to make no mistake ig (2) Getting to the right wall to fly is cancer 2p, either you aled, or flip it by just flying in but you will most likely have to use your dj and it feels bad not to have it at the end

And still don't know why people argue over the "popularity" of a map, as long as the map is good and consistent and has something to offer w/e if it has 3 finishes

thx for the test, in second screenshot u can also go left up

for the first screenshot idk, its not too easy if u have 2 tiles to get around

maybe play b4 ? 😄 not every part is 1 try

Was talking about the wall on the right border of the screen

so its not enough to have 2 ways there?

Oh I didn't understand well your message...

Well

Ig it's enough

It could be easily fixed by adding 1 extra unhook (on the right where Nehr said) it's smoother to enter

yes i can do that but u saw the other way

?

I just don't like the way on the right but didn't see the left way

Yy

I think I'll take some time to test this week-end anyway, so I'll make deeper feedbacks on that map

If I come back to it

and for /spec, i think its rly needed bcs of tightness..

did only test a few parts and specced the rest. looks cool and i get the point of that oldschool/insane map concept.

will do further testing and say more about it when i got time

This map is definitely more oldschool than insane

As savalic said, it's not that it's bad, but it's not fun

I played this map from start to finish. i like about 85% of the map(map is tight, but its style). Some parts a really gay like first screen https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1209987226214080612/1210302697740443819 and i said this to mapper. one part bad and need reworked some parts need qol updates. Most part a have 2-3 way to complete. 1 obvious and harder, second secret and easer or no faily. i like it. and ye its oldschool, not insane i agree with

. this map about challenge, not about fun.

played trough the map

it was decent imo

but idk why the last 20-30% is the most faily

these 2 parts way failer than the rest

way too faily

this bottom part is kinda useless since its just simply harder and more faily than top part

making it pretty useless

this part is just akward to hammer someone over or to wall

and there is only 1 edge to rest

getting into top right gap is really annoying with that freeze at wall

idk 70% feels like hedgehogs and rest 30% feels like hostile with much more space

i only have problems with the last 30% but gameplay is well balanced other than that

what u mean there? in the middle of the screen are 3 ways to do it

should i make the upper part harder?

this is hammerfly with timing the dj's

i liked this, both get dj and only one tries to go in, the other one waits in air with dj to save if he fail. in bigger teams u can just drag from up

those

or nerf bottom way

right side i can give some more unhookable, but left side is just a fly with throw and little hook for the mate ? 😄 mid can be done with throw too (but psst)

i like the other way, i will make top harder or impossible then

yeah i already said that the auto-part is the transission between the two sections of the map, imo its a bit empty with just a fly

man i think this auto-part is worse part on map and worse auto-part in world. i like ur map, and wanna do better. i just dont wanna that experience what i feel when race this part, for ppl who will race it. who cares... i think it's mistake to write here bcs u didnt listen when i test and dont listen now. p.s. i will put screen for ppl who dont know what part i talk about.

i have rly tried to understand what u mean, but i still dont know

What's wrong with this part what

explained to him that its just a filler auto part between the sections, but idk.. first it seems like that i should mark it somehow, but thats not the style of the map

1 its look like random draw, chaos, with random dots of kill, and it is bad. 2 this part have a lot of place for "possible start for autoparting" 3 this is almost end of map(if u die here...) and finally it's just boring idea and part. this mean it's not clear and its problem.

its like u want to mark a part in a puzzle map or u complain about a filler part into a hh map, i still dont know whats wrong 😄 im sorry

no need mark but lvl design need to be more clear.

He says that there are too many spots that could be the potential start of the set-up and I agree

you told me that you might wanted to force only 1 way there where u hold from top

yeah but i also liked the duo way 😄

whats the duo way? 😮

yes but thats the style of the map or i am wrong?

that spot is kinda boring tbh, its more fun where you have to think differently than just standing there and how part works and not just a hammer

From what I’ve read it was important to you to have multiple ways to do a part.

However, here you have multiple options and have to gamble or practice which one works because there is only one correct set-up.

If you think this is the style of the map then you should probably break the style for this part.

I, for example would always try to start holding from the potential set-up start that‘d freeze me

This could be cool:

1. FIrst guy uses that to go edge
2. second guy uses the other way to get over the first guy's head and then first guy hammers to unfreeze (with a bit of restructuring)

so first guy uses dj, go in hole and holds d then second guy from above with some bounce (keeping dj) -> first guy unfreezes him and then proceed with double jump on some edge on right

will think abit of that part

fixed some stuff now

this one is now closed, its now only useable for t0

this is now duo part like

suggested

this part i gave 3 more unhooks 😄

also thx to

for finding the design bugs

forgot to extend the freeze at the first screenshot

same for second screen

relesed?

a few minor changes

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I guess I could change that

shouldn't this be like pic 2 ? (freeze corner )

what is this ? it's different then everywhere else ...

don't like this holes everywhere in map

ah no, left is good right not

red incorrect , green correct ?

bottom left aswell

....

there are too many different rules

all good here

yes its all ok

if you say so

$ready i guess

First ready set by Trial Tester. It needs to be tested again by an official tester before fully evaluated.

its just a little mark

ok i realised that u edited it xD

its the tileset

$ready 1

The map is now ready to be released!

$optimize

No no no

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Cool map mister Coke A bit too faily but still fun

The must thing I like on the map is the tp at the start line(,,secret way")

design bug

no more bugs found u can upload it

done