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red : bad placement for the HT, if you jump and hit the roof, the dummy fall in tele, i place in red another spot wich is better, blue : it's a cheat possible, the real way kinda suck, the cheat is easier so, make the real way better or make the cheat way becoming the real way purple : you have to be coherent in the map, other part don't have this undeep, wich is useless for the part

the deep undeep make no sens, it's useless in the part

doing 2 hammer cheat the part, is little cheat like this indeed for the map ?

same as before, this is 2 deep ( i understand that if u delete the deep upper, the player can go from up to hook the dummy, but you can just change it to not be possible instead of adding useless deep)

Realy liked playing the map !

blue : what is this for ? red : maybe let 1 more tile, so you don't trigger the dummy on ground purple : another undeep after the part

the HT is useless

red : 3HT are useless blue : why undeep if u deep 1 second later?

overall, the map is cool and good, but on this short type of map, be carefull about coherence and detail also, i like the design.

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😉 ty for testing

I. ·red: Changed. ·blue: Changed. ·purple: We wanted to let players move by themselves. I accepted you said, put those undps on the ground. and at the next part, players can undp mates when they lapse. II. ·Deleted the deep on the left, created a better way without undeep. III. ·This is tolerable. And if i "add a unhk or a dp"(=do some changes) will make this messy and doesn't meet main style. IV. ·Swapped that to a stopper. V. ·blue: We thought if players made mistakes they will be able to save deep by that undp, but now i think it's not prerequisite. So it has got deleted. ·red: Yes. Added. ·purple: The same reason as I.purple. But this time I deleted for balance because the second player move too little so I need him to do the next part xD VI. ·Changed it to unhk. VII. ·red: The First Ht is for the second player to hook him and we will longer the unhk on the right. The Second Ht will be deleted, Hiting will instead of it. The Third Ht won't be deleted and I changed unhk to make that express the pass method we want more clearly.(hold hooking and rehook on the grass, then jump from right to left, next hook the deep tee and hammer him, at last drag him to the left undp) Red Footnotes: after 10 minutes' think, the pass method we want is too hard and fault tolerance too low. So delete The Third Ht and change method. ·blue: We wanted to let that = hook + press D + hammer, so it needs to undp to press D, and at this time I don't have any good ideas to finish the method we want without undeep. We will fix this later. Overall, Thank you for testing. You helped our map.

By shengyan

is it intended

can grab here and its faster

skip

also skip

sometimes player stuck here

This map is basically the one that was just released but again

Vigorous hum?

Pretty much

done

HD things are done wrong

i would make this unhookable longer

rn u can solo both ways

boring part imo

overall cool map, i like it

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I think these 2 hookthrough should be an easier way since everyone will just take the way down otherwise

You should probably make this unhookable 2 tiles higher to fix the cheat nova pointed out

This part is pretty boring, must do it in 2 hooks and it kinda breaks the flow

This transition is the only time in the map where you must undeep your friend before heading to the next part, i don't really know if it matters but it seems weird

The beginning of that part is now really hard for a moderate map because of the last fix

It breaks the flow that the player must back to get to the platform to make the part

Overall, I think the map is pretty cool and nice to play, even tho it lacks of equitability : one player can make the whole map while the 2nd one does nothing (see https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1147560383184379944/1147886824287645756 )

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It's not needed, u can use dummy

Was thinking it too, the timing has to be perfect

yes Vigorous suffers from the same lack of fairness, I'll be fixing that next weekend!

if you use the dummy to go up, then to put the dummy under it suck, and if you put the dummy under, then you have to go back on the platform, it break the flow on the end of the map just for a tiny part

Use some speed to get the mate in there

I was thinking it too, but when I have done it right it was ok

• Part 2

deco should be HD

would make all the way tele and without the platform on the left

use HT for the first stopper

i would use stoppers all the way up

suggestion for this part, red = tele , blue = HT

to make it a bit more interesting

part feels too easy

would higher the platform a bit (blue) ,that u have to hook like in picture

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This time's edit, I based on 2023/09/07 23:09 Beijing Time, Wartoz's version. VIII. deco already be HD now. IX. Steinchen—Fixed by my smart way xD and TY. X. Made all the way tele. XI. Used HT for the first stopper but didn't swap [the tile of "cutter"layer] to [the tile of "ht"layer]. XII. No. The deep wont come out at normal play even you hook him or hit him, and also, not using stoppers all the way up make players can bring the deep back to do something if they need. XIII. Corner fixed. XIV. Nice idea. Accepted and TY. XV. Changed gameplay. you can reload it and have a try. XVI. Higher and Higher. XVII. Changed very big gameplay of Parts: CP5(X.), CP6(XIV.), CP7(I will put the [how it work] video up later), CP9. I recommend you try it ;D Overall, Thanks for testing.

Please Put It Up? 🤪

$reset

I will have a totally check of corners and wrong placed tiles with "info" on in these days.

waiting for next test

This time's edit, I based on 2023/09/09 10:08 Beijing Time, shengyan's map.

Had a totally check of all corners and wrong placed tiles with "info". Hope it all right now.

waiting for next test

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broken unhook fix it on the whole map

also you put here undeep pls

this looks a bit weird (i'm talking about cracks)

where?

when you zoom in this unhook looks very bad

gl with fixing it, overall i liked the map

Change Color Delete Other Layer Fix Waiting For Next Test

xD?

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wtf

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what happen

You put space in end of name

hum

hum xD iam stupid

suggestion to put undeep tile in totele. players can't understand why deepfreeze is turned off if they don't use pageup.

this wallhammer doesn't work well

no need to go up(its faster)

some parts is just bored and annoying like this, you should work to improve it.

I've made this part a little easier

I have some things to say about the balance of this chart I think this map is still fairly evenly balanced It's just that it's not balanced in the same way as a normal map.

When the first player passes the first part, the second part can be passed by the first player or the second player.

It's the player's choice.

I made 12 parts and each player gets to play 6 of them.

Moreover, Mapping-Rules does not require that a part be operated by two players, and that the operation times are the same or about the same.

This is an issue worth discussing, and these are some of the things I'd like to say about balance

No matter how it ends, thank you very much for the test.🤝

Waiting the next test

I switched the direction of undeep and unfreeze for CTO + CFRM

1.- you can "skip" the top parts by just hooking from below 2.- you gusy frogot to put unfreeze in every cto

The map doesnt need cps, you dont split the part in 2, its just 1 as a whole so use normal tele instead

you can do edge here

i would put unhook instead of that ht so they can do it like this

ofc it will be different when 2 players are different but...

the whole main grass looks like that, have horizontal and vertical lines

the map is good enough to be released, idk why didnt you keep the same name from the other map "vigorous" but i guess you guys wanted to do a different deco style, this is cooler tho gj

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This maps does have something in common with vigorous, but it's not part of the vigorous line.

i don't know But it's not a big problem.

you have those lines because you most certainly used not a clean tile of the grass main

rechange grass tiles

It still remains broken

I don't have issues

I'm using vulkan

maybe it depends on the screen, mine is 1280x1080

make heart better ....

Do you have an old client ?

ye

That can be the reason

I think so

Borderfix was added to the client so we don't have to borderfix every single tileset anymore

It is quite difficult to understand that there is deep

because here no deep and it looks like with deep

skip

you dont need cp5, cp6 because you use tele from

ht looks like stoppers here

early_hot

genius

do like this

sec

dont

here 1 more skip if you do it like thi

so spend more time and find other way to fix it

Command not found!

This

thanks

xD

yeah np

It's true.

this looks like a cool map, can someone test it please 🐹 👍

you come back to the beginning

check all the teles again

idk if this can be possible to do the cheat but is up to you to fix it

i found nothing, gameplay wise

Fix some issues with part Check corners

It was very difficult for me to try here, but I felt it would work, so I modified it here to be less misleading

👍🏻

Fix syntax error in Thanks

i would suggest that you should use just ht for put limits

at least is ready for me, if someone disagree or has something to add just do a reset

$optimize

$ready 4

actually idk if it is 5 maybe 4?

i think maybe 4

thank you test

!!! but 4 is better i also think

edited*

thanks

ok

thank you for this

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delete mapper "上冬十六"

plz ready again

I wish you could re-edit the rls info.

I edited the text but the screenshot remains the same in

it will be the newer one on website if u removed his name from logo

You mean, when the map is ready again, this will be updated?

no

only on website

$change mappers "Wartoz & shengyan"

t's just going to show up that way on the website, and will actually be updated when the map is released?

like i said it will be updated on website

$ready 4

i cant edit the picture in the message without spamming servers that are broadcasting these messages

oh Thank you very much.

thank you very much bro

💮

the time checkpoints are not consistent and some are missing at the end

and the deco should be HD

what is deco IDK

in your case it's bushes, grass, stars etc

you can leave some decoratins out of HD to make it less naked

HD

HD

Sometimes I really don't know when to HD and when not to.

I'm going to work with a mapper who knows HD from now on.

you just put a checkmark on the layer you want to be HD, that's it

HD it's all design related, everything that is design Stars, clouds, sun/moon, bushes etc...

Stuff like unhooks, hooks, ht, logo, important signs, they should not be HD

thank you❤️

does everything look fine now?

its whatever

$ready 4

$optimize

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no上冬十六 bro

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ah i forgot to update that part

should be done now