This is my attempt to follow the new ddnet trend: 2p drag-only maps. Inspired by Barren

😂

Nice I like this style map

maybe u could reduce map size nah ?

0.4mb

i mean

How can I reduce

there is way too much dirt

at the bottom of the map

nah ? xd

Who cares omg

by removing unused tiles from tilesets

на 9ом и 11ом тп хукблокеры юзлесс как по мне и только уродуют карту

а так кул карта

Can you send a screenshot

I cannot see

Im blind

Lol

Ok

ща попробую убрать

eh I wanna join

pw pleaseeee

xd

wuff

how to teamforce

sv_team 2 sv_max_team_size 2

what should I use for hookblock design? I think those tiles are good enough

same as freeze with a different color

and more transparent

2 skips fixed (totele 3 and totele 11) teamforce added hookblock design changed rearranged teles for better 2p teamforce experience

removed unused tiles (generic_unhookable_new)

compressed images

If you allow hammer a few parts become ez cheatable

these aren't automapped

you're welcome

a lot of bugs fixed

wanna do test runs?

also hammer is annoying, noone would do it except pro speedrunners

join me

besides getting in the way it's useless, part plays way better without it

same

I can't find any reason for this hookblocker to be here. If you're just trying to force some hook, there are better ways to do that

this is just suggestion, I just hate when people artificially force some weird hooks, especially when it's unnecessary. I would give players more freedom here

this is just spoiling the part to brainlets. Edgehook seems impossible anyway

again weird hooks being forced

I like the idea behind these hookblocks

there is literally one part that benefits from it

you can easily skip last hook if this bothers you

that edge isn’t intended

but I agree you could use the hookblocks better

moderate player will always try to do the obvious way: edgehook. And the intended way will be considered as a skip. This hookblock just makes part work without extra overhead

I should block this, although it's not intended anyway

okay this is shit

this part plays a lot easier with those stoppers

this hookblocker is used to block these stupid rehooks. You have to do the part in one move without standing on edge and rehooking

hookblock is used for nothing but to force player to do specific moves I like

-

totele 5 hookblock replaced with teleport totele 13 edgehook removed

all teles moved 1 block lower (to the ground)

I've sent the wrong file ⬆

Barren 2

but worse (c)

how to do this part in your expectation?

cheater

skip fixed

the line

last part dumb way prevention

that's a weird rendering bug. There is no line in source image

i think u need to dilate it?

how

drag it onto dilate.exe in ur ddnet directory

ok what will it change?

speedrun improvement

сделай чтобы нельзя было в соло зафинишить, подними финиш

это же 2p forced

если поднять финиш, то спидран руинится

с дамми

те кто будут спидранить будут просто бросать дамми

трудно поднять

и будут уродские 1п финиши

в топе

кидать дамми на ласте

totele9 less annoying gameplay

вроде только мешают, не?

start points looks like shit

Especially when its 100+ cps

at least try to make it not look like a huge barren rip-off

opinion: everyone loves barren style. I love it too. That's why I used it for this map. This playstyle is not a "flaw" of the map like Ravie says. Gameplay is different and (the most importantly) everyone loves it.

since gameplay is completely different, this cannot be considered as a "worse copy". This is also mapped for the other group of players: moderate. There is no a "copyright law" for map playstyles. DDNet rules contain only smth related to gameplay, not map style in common.

Everyone will obviously be happy playing this on ddnet (except ravieego). Design is good, gameplay too (every tester says that). Some testers play this map 2-3 more times cuz gameplay is not annoying.

What do you all think about it?

"I love barren style so I'm going to just steal it"

If you're willing to remap the map in a more original style I'd be in favor of release

remapping will make it worse

simple is better. barren style is very simple and intuitive

reread please again

so just simply steal it 🤔

and again

there have been several examples in the past where we condoned copying other maps

i'm able to use the mapstyle I consider as "best" in my personal opinion

or add smth to "mapping law"

you cannot argue

if it's obviously copied from a better map then it's bad

gameplay is the only thing that matters in ddnet maps

reread please again

like I said gameplay is fine, if you change the style and make it look like an original map it's alright

"but barren style is good so letme copy it!"

players will love it. They dont really care about someones ego

it's ego to copy somebody else's map and defend it

this is my way of expression

I map what I consider good

and there is no restriction in mapper rules

if your way of expression is copying others you shouldn't "express" yourself

you're defending your "uniqueness"

and you're trying to introduce new "laws" of mapping

there is a rule about this btw

design, parts of design

reread

actually abusing your "tester" privilegues

you're defending copying maps

jao should consider removing you

I'm not abusing anything, if other testers want to release there's nothing I can do

we need other opinions here since your brain is broken

your brain is broken if you think copying other people is totally fine

you're trying to make me rage a lot to ban me due to "disrespect to mods"

other opinions please

is there a copyright law? Is it only exist in your mind?

it's simply wrong to copy other maps

cancer

and every time a copied map shows up it's condoned

copying playstyle does not make this map worse. This playstyle is the best (simple and intuitive) for this kind of maps

and there is now law for restricting this (i'm tired of repeating this)

at least design is better than barren

😂

design and "playstyle copy" doesnt matter

gameplay and fun is important

salty cause you wanted that design

nah Ravie

i want industrial

by the way

yungu has alsmost the same playstyle

a bit different

and it's OKAY

you dumbass

because yun gu has some original elements introduced

people need more maps with this exact same playstyle

they love to play it

you need an excuse to copy maps

I did not copy gameplay

at all

then it shouldn't be a problem to arrange parts in a more original way

can you just read my messages?

I WANT TO USE THIS STYLE

read my message

didn't you read my resposnse to that?

yungu is very similar

yun gun has a different structure and feel

and has some filler parts

just don't make it look the same but a bit worse xd

they're actually breaking IDEAL flow

design doesn't matter

these blockers are "design"

facepalm

xD

because you do not interact

it's a decoration

that means it can't be copied

this is too common

like using the same tileset for freeze

no it's not common

aviate

uses it too

no it uses kill and is not T shaped

this map gonna release

and ravie gonna be without his "tester" badge

sorry im already dying of rage

ohoho got a confidence boost cause jao agreed?

stop provoking me

I am mad

that is not my intention at all

let's keep it civilized

you're not a tester if you provoke

I'm not provoking

you just keep repeating the same thing and I'm still not agreeing

get a lawyer

and add the word "playstyle" to the rules section

and kill urself

please

you can’t copyright such a map style of

this means he cannot argue

it would be alright if it was not screaming "COPIED FROM BARREN"

cuz players love it anyway

they dont care

he could just change a few things and make it his own

it doesn't take much effort to change the "blockers" and a few other details that are obviously from barren

I agree that it is from barren

gameplay is different

that's all

players lov it

just die please

you're making ddnet worse

so just change the little things that are obviously from barren and make it look more like an original map

it doesn't mean you have to remap everything

NOONE needs that "original" word

only ego boys want to be "original"

the map is good

calm down

'just die please' lol dude, chill

'youre making ddnet worse' yeah ofc, the guy who stepped up the design things made ddnet worse

OFC

he is making ddnet worse by forcing everyone to be "original". Instead of focusing on gameplay and players opinion

players will leave

we're just saying that the map looks like barren and a few little changes would make it better (not worse) and you write things like 'kill urself'

no chill

from 0 to 100 real quick

IVE ALREADY MADE 15 OWN PARTS AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME

I'm not forcing people to be original, I gladly release basic maps that are mapped in their own way

this is my way

you dont like it

no it's pulsar's way

add a credit

that doesn't solve the problem

man just change the towers and arrows to next part and it's okay

"but this is my way"

do you mean I have not to change the playstyle

part-to-part

no filler

no =.= I said parts are not copied from barren and are alright

you don't have to change that if you don't want

and I can't "copyright" placing parts in a horizontal line

it's not pulsars style he is just the first to make a popular map with it

please remove ravie then

here it's literally exactly the same like on barren =.=

same as stronghold style isnt pipous

make staff complaints in private

why

I want you to know you're a worst tester with ego opinions

and you're "original"

be proud

😂

I'm bad tester cause I condone copying

I guess only people who have been copied from can understand this

and you're forcing me to change arrows to let you be "the first and the only", "original"

arrows, Carl

what are you on about? I didn't make arrows on barren

idc

I literally only made the background so if you think this is personal you're wrong

idc

"idc cause jao already guaranteed release and I don't have to do shit"

i'm not trying to defend my "original" feeling about myself

and normal tester should not too

no one cares

normal tester should allow me to copy everything I want

yes, if it does not break the rules

not all rules have to be written down exactly, it's just common sense that copying is bad

I know, you have different rules. But please leave then. You're a ddnet member

I'm not gonna leave because you said so

or change the rules

please

I want to follow

there is nothing wrong with adapting such stuff

there's nothing wrong with copying a few little things but at some point it just becomes plagiarizing

this map didn’t reach that point

it’s clearly his own map

parts yes, style is completely copied

and it's not a hard thing to change and make it look more like an original map

yea but why

he said he wants this style because it’s fun to play

it seems jao reads the messages

and ravie is not

very good tester

please remove

the same was with "A strange dream" design

anyone could’ve came up with this style

it’s p straight forward

most maps are inspired by some style

so is this

the rule "I want it and everyone likes it" does not work for him. He does not understand how ddnet works and how to get more players

players will leave

he is here not to improve smth

but to defend his original world

not related to ddnet

-- all game developers should not make a new shooter, because it will have the same playstyle like cs:go

stupid ravie logic

it's everywhere like that

someone starts a new trend and then everyone else starts following it

e.g. car designs

oh he said it's fun that's all that matters

yes

players leave if its unfun

the only thing that matters is fun

jup

ddnet is no elite server or whatever

how does copying some aesthetic stuff make the map more fun?

please leave in a world of freedom Ravie

you're stuck in your original worlds

and let other mappers be free too

eh

what are you even talking about?

the world of putting credit in every map and being proud and restricting to copy anything

let's live in a world of "I like this thing so I take it" because iit's fun :)

yes

well I can understand Ravie. Why won't you just change few things and call it your own? I mean it won't really change anything, beside that people won't see it as an obvious 'worse copy' of barren

ddnet is made for players

not for ravie

and his ego

players see it as a copy as well

you should lay off whatever it is that you're smoking

map just loses on that even tho it's really good

and will play it a lot because it's fun. They dont care

they just play

what do you suggest to change that would make it not be an obvious copy

change towers and arrows

then it's just a drag map similar to barren but not obvious rip off

I doubt majority of players notice that

especially the arrows since everyone plays in entities

some guy came into test server and said "it looks like that brutal desert map"

arrow is the best way to explain the direction

and after release it will be played by many people, undoubtedly a large portion of them will notice

players aren't stupid or blind, they notice things

they come for fun. They get it

they play

and dont care

they will notice "oh it's exactly like that other map" why won't you just change a few little things so they don't think that way?

does not matter how it looks. It plays different

"because it's fun and I like barren style "

players play, they dont look a lot

they do

u do

I said players aren't stupid

cuz you're a mapper with original feeling inside

u see everything

players dont care

better than feeling to copy something and make weird philosophical explanations as to why

GWENDAL

MAKE THEM STOP

hi silex having fun reading? 🍿

you just cant get it. It breaks your ego

ye but the popcorn is kinda salty

ask silex when they copied bit2, if he was angry

When people play Stronghold or Back in the days they aren't like "oh it's copied from back in time" They just play the map without caring

funfact stronghold first rlsd

😂

xd

Yeah i was wondering

But it doesn't change the point of my message lmao

stronghold and silex maps are completly diffferent lol

people will think its barren copy because you will constantly remind them 😂

if a map is obviously similar in a suspicious amount of ways they do notice it's copied

we're all "unique" and "creative"

players know the maps they play

if you think players are mindless drones who don't notice anything and just play maps, you're severely wrong

that's just kinda weird, otherwise rdy for rls

they will notice its fun to play

pretty much yeah

what to change?

hmm

there are alot ways to make it look sexy also

ok

I will try

👍

its a copy but atleast a good copy

diamond mine

=.= it just had to be said by someone who is not ravie

At least, finding a new original playstyle will increase this map's quality, if you want the best for your map, you should do so. If you decide to keep it, you still can I guess, and some credits from the map you got inspired from would be welcome

this is already the best

there's no need to credit another map if he makes it not look exactly the same

Ravie is just being a little too strict about it, but he's still right in a way

credit? you guys are crazy

that play style is really straight forward

you cant copyright that

nobody wants credit

Why not ? "Inspired from Barren"would be nice I think

there's nothing wrong with that playstyle it's just made to look exactly like barren

he can keep the exact same playstyle and just make it not look exactly the same

that way players won't think it's a copy of barren, just a similar map

o r i g i n a l ravie

why do u care so much about the design lol

it looks fine

and thats the only thing that matters

it would be fine if there wasn't a map that was made exactly this way

do you wanna change it?

he doesn't want to

obviously

then why are you still annoying him with it

because I think he should change it and if you tell him he doesn't have to then he won't

he doesn't have to

you can stop this discussion now

if I find a sexy way like silex said

Maybe we could do a strawpoll ? xd

no xd

So that way, majority's win

no we can't

they don't look good anyway he'll be better off changing them

strawpolls suck xd

we won't make this a bigger deal than it is

I think it's an important decision for next tested maps

It's not really obvious for everyone

no lol

it's not important whatsoever

ddnet is not an elite server

if the map is fun then such minor things don't matter

everybody can map what he wants lol

yes +1

So Royum, the last map by Cendren and Savalic wasn't fun ?

yea

some people get upset if their stuff gets copied, but I guess "it's only about the players and their fun so fuck mappers"

pulsar wasn't upset

Thought you declined it coz of bit copy

and pulsar has no right to be upset lol

that stuff is ultra straight forward

then why wasn't there a map exactly like this before it?

if it's so super simple and straight forward why did nobody think of it before?

doesn't matter who made it first

it's not copyrightable

this discussion is so stupid

I don't think it is

Opinions matter

I don't mind, but still it would be better for his map if he changed it a bit

just look around you

everything is copied from something

your mobile phone

if you let one copy through there will be more soon xd

ur pc

whatever

that wouldn't hurt

you can copy something but add your own ideas and improve it, that's called inspiration

why should he get a patent in an online game with less then 500 active players

Thx captain obvious but it's about tresholds xd

We're actually deciding of them rn

we aren't

we are making decisions case by case

You weren't sure yourself at the beginning jao

when

now he is

Now you are way more confident about your opinion

the first thing I said is that this map will be released

how is that not being sure

You asnwered late

because I wasn't reading before?

I mean from the discussion on the server

We were all argumenting about it

And u didn't give an answer straight forward

because I thought I wouldn't have to involve myself into this

Alright

why was there not such a discussion when ravillion released?

xd

i think its cuz themix mapped it

Because it's kinda different

ravillion was private tested

no place for discussion

lol

its the same playstyle

xd

Feels way more different tho

Not gonna explain why, just try it out

thx. The straight line looks a bit basic

can you send it xD?

im a lazy bitzch

at least say what tileset you used

well i just noticed

the tileset is by ravie so he gonna say we steal

😂

oh nvm

I'll find gameplay bugs then

there are some

could make it like this with ddnet_tiles

xdd

already more creative and doesn't scream barren

isn't it weird looking?

it's basically the same thing just wiith a weird design

^ +1

as long as it's a T shape with 2 stoppers it's barrenish

isn't 1 line of stoppers skippable?

you would need jetpack or something

why would you skip it? it's fail

only put 2 on start to be sure there's no start skip or smth

Design is shit

Gameplay is not special, but its ok to have one more "playable" map

so the gameplay is not totally shit

how is design shit

it's ugly and buggy tbh

how so

buggy bg and grass

ugly colors imo

what's buggy about it

lines and grass has pixels showing through

that's because I was trying to edit grass in gimp. Reevie just dont want to do tw-related stuff anymore

xd

my image editing skills

ok but it's a bit weird if you mave the camera up

then make the layer bigger

this part is very hard without stoppers

and annoying a bit

brutal skills required

the stoppers doesnt change anything imo

i didnt even use them

I have a feeling about what is hard and what is easy. Because im a real noob xd

every pro will say it's easy without stopper

it's pretty much the same, stoppers are a bit annoying tho

there's a little move that makes it easy it's not hard to figure out

stoppers were just annoying for anyone who did the part a little differently

hook blockers not needed because platform height already prevents you from cheating

you can remove one ht to make the hook work the same as with hook blocker

you might try to move these 2 hts and unhooks one tile to the left, it should be better

the stoppers part

hm

ok, that works

magic

I think these stoppers will force players to

about how to do the part. If I remove stoppers, everything becomes obvious at first sight

idk

maybe it matters

minor improvements

the hookblockers rather make you not think about it

if you're a nobo, this part looks really impossible. And after you figure it out how to play it, you're happy. If I simply remove hookblock, this will be the part I see in 50% maps

but they have no influence on the gameplay if ravie is right

I just wanted to make this part more complex

than it actually is

but they have no influence on how the part works

it's actually a bit different

this how it would be without hookblock

you shouldn't put useless hook blockers just to confuse the player a bit

all barren parts was very confusing to me. And I liked that feeling

I mean last 6-8 parts

but they aren't confusing they need brain

there's a difference

parts should be as minimal as possible while keeping the how they work

also hook blocker design isn't really intuitive

looks like unfreeze

hm

yea don't make it confusing artificially

there are hookblockers near the spawn. I think players will figure it out quickly that it's not unfreeze

ok I remove then...

you can also change the part so that the hookblockers are required

as you said it's a part you see in 50% of maps xd

the thing is that part can work exactly the same if you remove hook blocker and add 1 unhook instead of ht

secret finish room would be cool imo xd

better flow (totele 9 and 11)

removed tee skeletons from the grass

mountains dilate.exe

totele 9 part made easier to understand

some players say this is brutal 1*

xd

totele 9 fix

honestly there's no need to fix all such cheats in this kind of map, if you focus too much on fixing "cheats" you can end up making the easy way not work well

also moderate 5*

I've already fixed all weird or random moments

and 3 sec waiting issues

1 ht added

removed startline in winner's room, cuz it kills you

this map is gonna be played by everyone before release

they're playing 3 days already xd

Dimp speedrunning

maybe he even thinks he will be get points. Because 190 minutes is not the server timer. Server time is 300 minutes. lol

sorry I spam

xd

How to join team0 after finish? (In winner's room)

I want to show off that I finished a map and stay in team0 in winner room

unlock before finishing

wouldn't it break teamrank?

It moves to t0 only after finish?

yes

added team unlock tile before finish

lol dont

that's only for dummy maps

Lol ok

But no way someone will unlock before finish

Ok nvm

they might not lock in the first place

But maybe it worth keeping it. So players can see each other after finish

Automatically

Without manual unlock

Idk

leave that to the players

Ok

btw you could use <> stoppers instead of X idk if it makes a difference but I guess vertical stoppers would look a bit better in entities

Eh. There is no fast way to replace all these stoppers. Since tw editor zoom out is limited.

It will improve map by 0.00001%

ok then don't do it

It looks bad with default entities anyway

nice easy map $release

even jaos dummy finished

i think map is too short 😄

this is 2 minutes of intense speedrunning without boring fillers between parts. Should be long enough for moderate players

I think the only problem with the map being so short is that you use the exact same moves multiple times

especially in such a short map you don't want to do that

they look slightly different but they play exactly the same

would be better to make some of them more unique

you could try to dilate grass too

unfreeze not on totele

no corner

btw you really should add timecps

map is not too short and reusing same hooks in different parts is completely fine

btw your 4th and 5th pic are just simply ridiculous

parts are ridiculous or pics?

"pic"

ok I reread

xd

technically it's 2nd pic, my bad

moderate player will do the move first time, learn it, and will be glad to do it again but FIRST TRY (means IM PRO)

what

I mean second time playing the same part is good cuz easier

idk

but it's not the same part, just the same easy move

every time learning a new move can make you tired

the maps point isn't learning moves and improving on them

if you want that, then make a longer map that focuses on that

its the exact same move

move not part

same moves

it's like crying about pulling off the platform 15 times

that's not a move lol

what is it then?

it's a hook

ok I'm done

well it's hook + button press

yea it's multiple things you're doing

specific things

it's obviously on another level than what you posted

I replaced some basic moves with these 2 buttons moves

just to make it a bit less boring

not to make smth special

well the map is ultra short, everything should be somewhat special

these too?

what do you mean with "these"

basic ones

they're too basic

bad

they are ok

uh idk why the basic ones are good and 2 buttons moves are not good

the problem with the other ones is that they are not basic and that players will recognize that you used them multiple times

hence boring

the third is different in fact

but doable in stupid way

should I fix?

ye I would change 2 of these on that screen

the other screens I don't care

ok the first part is a bit too hard to be the first

noobs try edgehooking

maybe add tele here

you didn't fix the wrong unfreeze and missing corner

and what about time cps?

oh

time cps both below and above?

ofc

$ready 5

thanks

they want barren to be copied again

ez for me. I am master of barren copying. lumine 2 soon

xDDDDD

lol

\:')

for rockus

omg is he banned?

yeah i think he is