"Switch Overlord" by Genex & Syltoox

Nice Map!

???

XD

this map is just a big mess. don't really feel like wasting time on testing this especially since basically everything has been mentioned on doomworld already

Wtf ?

Show me 1 Part that is in doomworld

He meant that the same mapping issues are on this map that we fixed on doomworld, you didn't learn from it at all

Ahh

$waiting_mapper

design rework, more balanced etc

so i fixed like everything

tried to remove some entities spam

now

https://puu.sh/BzhAB/f72de36289.png

i cant see shit can you highlight it better? :kappa:

hahaha

oh lol

still terrible in entities

These are the only parts and it's gay to fix them

then don't use them if they aren't fixable :D

They are fixable but we don't know how to do it

Just add some 'entity off' here then players won't see these things😂

It's almost just as bad in design

lmfao not kind

Design is way better than entities

thats true

u cant compare these 2 things xD

If you make a mess in entities and have to mark most of it in design how can it not be just as bad?

i marked everything important

which u need to know about

That's exactly my point, most of the stuff in entities you have to know about so you have to mark it in design too

like i did already

Its all marked in design

$waiting_mapper

fixed version from genex

multiple parts are still messy and prevent cheats in ugly ways. they should all be polished and cleaner mapped

tell me cps

or send screens

e.g. instead of having 2 weird door constructions to prevent cheating, you could just block it of where the orange marking is, and require one guy to be pulled right on the stoppers by the down guy

here, instead of blocking a cheat with hook-blockers, you can adjust the measurements, so that hooking down there is not possible. also, unhooks as a marking for hook-blockers is not good. they represent a solid tile, not something you can go through

way too many switches. what you want to achieve, you can probably do with a bit smarter mapping, splitting stuff up, etc.

I told you on DoomWorld already, you don't map tele like this. and to raise the overall quality, you should use normal teles for everything you can

just no

why..? part idea might be good, but why do you implement it as a "standalone"? connect it with other parts, give it a reason..

just examples, you get the idea

also, all of your gores parts are ultra lame and without any effort. don't do random tunnels with random freeze lines.. put some thought into it and add variety

Well I will look what we change and what not

fixed

Better now?

no

Wtf then Show me

I did already, watch above

I changed....

what I showed were just examples and even some of these you didn't fix. the fixes you made are with low effort and not thought through

stop being so rude, please ~

I will just wait for ratings cuz these parts are good I changed it so I will leave it like it is

there will be no ratings until the map is properly fixed tho

You're the only one so

I will just wait

what do you think about my remarks

I fixed all of your screens xD what you want

I think he is saying that u fixed them but not in the way he wants 😅

Yes xD but it's my map so my fixes

I won't force you to fix anything but I will also not accept low quality maps

Just let us wait and see the ratings

And this map is definitely not low quality

there won't be ratings until quality is raised

It's not any higher quality than doomworld, which was barely releasable after many changes that you were stubbornly against. We don't wanna go through that again.

This map is way better than doomworld

wtf your talking

It's not any better mapped

You can't even pass part 1 so pls

I don't understand why you are the only tester

currently*

he doesn't need skill to tell whether a map is well made or not :D

He need wtf he can't even pass the whole map same with doomworld god pls

Parts in this map are good wtf

I'm talking about mapping quality, doesn't matter if parts work when everything is poorly mapped

why do you think he needs skill?

I was able to pass the whole map and really liked it! //why does nobody question if that's true?

Every guy I asked liked map

It's not about liking

It's about how well it is mapped

Are you serious?xD

do you ignore our messages? xd

You need to minimize the use of unneeded tiles/entities and also would be great if you can improve the structure

The structure is good wtf

If you say so, master

ravie gave in, rls now?

instarls doesn't exis-

are you going to give this a proper remake? (fix my remarks in a decent way, not with minimal effort)

I can try

we dont want the map to be released anymore

$decline

$decline

xd

reworked some parts

Mb someone will take a look

Tomorrow

Thx ^^

tightness, basic parts, weird parts, filler parts and all that put together with no effort. try to be more mindful about what you map and how you map it. key factors are a good structure, space and interesting but also playable parts

$decline

Kk

there to upload, but why wrong channels xd

yeah xd

xD

now xD

wait

Lol ok

what's changed? the reasons I declined it for still apply

still no effort put into it

:/

||fucking syltoox||

Lol wtf i reworked some parts

ye but there are still major issues that you didn’t touch. e.g. the switch parts are not well implemented, filters are really basic and the rest isn’t thought through either. you should really consider whether something is enjoyable to play (that also includes not doing every part first try)

"reworked some parts" isn't enough when a map is fundamentally flawed

tbh even then literally every part would need some sort of rework

so whats the problem

i dont get it

what do you not understand

how are the switch parts not well implemented, can u show an example maybe and define how it isnt well? "filters are really basic" didnt u say we can map a gores as solo part? i said it would be kinda boring but u meant it is okay so it shouldnt bother u. how is the rest not thought through the map has a concept and parts work great.

what is the concept

the intention was to map a map with a nice flow and parts which u cant find in this way in other maps.

where is it worse?

u didnt even tell me one part which is bad

if your goal is nice flow then you should get rid of tight spots

and if you wanted unique parts, why is half of the map basic boring filler parts

so gimme some advice and tell me where it might be to tight

i didnt say i want unique parts or completly new shit

you said your concept was to have parts that you don’t see in other maps aka unique parts

also, the drag parts with a lot tele (later ones) are not special at all

the only really special part is your crazy spammed switch part (close to end)

but that one is hardly playable

It's messily mapped, confusing feature parts interwoven with some really boring basic ones, find a middle ground between confusing switch shit and super basic parts and try to improve structure in your future maps.

tell me a messy part lol

and where is confusing

Did you even play the map ravie or saw good player play this cuz you said it's messy mapped etc so just take a look when some good player play this

Flow is good when you know parts etc and "filler parts or basic parts" are in every map and gores also

So pls

you don’t need to play it to see that it’s messy mapped

and good flow also considers not doing every part first try

Good flow in my opinion parts work well

Messy mapped show me pls mb then I can improve

parts work well for you as the mapper, but try to play them as someone who does not know how they work and just sees a mass of switches, jump refills and what not

dude what the fuck ar eu talking about

tell me about which part u cant understand cause there are too many switches

why do u hate so much casue u dont want it to be released

at least give some reasonable arguements

this is testers 2019

Ok fine let's ask some players if they understand parts but all parts are easy understandable xD

Mb 1 part is tricky wow 😱

xD

1 part with 2 switches

so hard to understand

guys cant just spectate a part do understand it

hm?

every part has at least 2 switches and some other stuff like deep from what I can see (or if a part doesnt have features its boring gores etc)

wtf

there are 3 gores in this map i guess

"boring features"

like wtf

cant u just stay objective dude?

is it so hard to not hate this map cause u dislike us?

looks like the worst switch mindfuck parts are improved in the new version but its still not that well mapped

bro

Wtf and know use spec ?😂

wtf

Wtf and know use spec ?😂

ravie

tight parts, oddly placed features

u are talking like every part has a mass of switches

and isnt understandable

and looks overall sloppy mapped to me but that's more aesthetic

if u dont understand parts, then u shouldnt be tester

where is ur gamesense then

but ofc

u can only understand parts sometimes if u try to play them

u did only spectate

I understand the parts but they aren't that well connected or placed, or have weird tight sections

u shouldnt give an opinion or try to hate this map without even testing it

there isn't that much changed from the version I played through

so maybe send screens what to improve?

instead of telling us that there are mass switches or smth

but it's poorly mapped from the base, it's not about changing 2 or 3 little things

trashtalk

Send screens pls

Only then we can improve

:)

you can only improve if you pretty much remap everything though

Wtf ?xD

the parts aren't connected cleanly and there is basically no structure

No structure so how the fuck I should map it I asked you some time ago and didn't get a good answer

I told you to make sure there is always enough space to move comfortably and make it look neater

If I only put straight lines it looks like crap

There is space

best to look at released maps and see how it's done there

it's not that easy to explain

you kinda have to get a feeling for it yourself

here's your map compared to a well structured map

i can be ur boi who don't know the map at all

but i'm stupid as fuck so i won't figure

Dude I can map straight lines as example then I map only design around it and then in entities it Looks like shit

it doesn't have to be straight lines, it's about space and consistency

"parts work great" even syltoox can't do his own parts

LOl

didn't find out with jao how first stage of part work for 5 mins, feels just gay to do, and after u doing this part u have to do some other crazy thing which u need train for get timing

xD bro thx you will figure it out its easy now you need a partner xD

hard and also need many tries for understand jump timing

you can easy fail like this (happened to me and jao in real run)

Crazy shit ?you just have to hammer wtf ?

Just need to train

Kicker you spend idk how many hours to test grim reaper so why you don't spend time in this map ?

i dont think spending hours for finish burtal 3 map is ok lol

👀

ur entities pack is so great

( a bit offtopic sry :x )

thanks

omg send

this edge didnt work, if you need to hook through this edge then it just gay

even syltoox can't do that part

and he mapped it lol

so what are you talking about

I can do it easy

syltoox can't do it even with 🤖

one more ht tile here would be very nice

Edge is working kicker^^

kek

XDDDDDDD

jao said its ok

Jap

Just learn how to do parts ^^

it works how we did it, but it's not great xd

hh is rly very long, doing it after every miss hook very annoying

Kicker I can change this cuz there is this hole with freeze we but tele down and see

I guess we can stop discussing, mapper ragequiting his own map kinda says it all xd

Put*

xd

i didnt ragequit

I would join but I'm not home right know

cp 14 is long, and this drag part not that ez, even after you do it u can easy fail this tight hammerfly and you will need to do everything from start, was annoying, cp after drag would be nice i think

didnt like fillers but it just personal

fillers suffer from bad structure

both can go up and undeep guy do rocketfly, easier than original way for me

i right opened test server and see how

plays with @onelimeyboy , looks cool and creative

see

if guys are playing it

if tey actually play

and not cheat all

its cool

i liked parts

new mapname hurenbros

that i just saw , i dont speced all the map !

1 part

even jao is here

UPS video xD

jao

xD

So when I have time tomorrow I try to rework the parts and then we will see

Thx

for feedback

there was one very stuped part where you was able to do in not intendet way many ways :/ too skipable part

Can you show me pls

CP21

Ahh this

Okay I will think about it

yes

with onelimeyboy found too many skips in this part

Okay thx ^^

now help with tee swap xD

I can try xd

no , dont need to just kidding