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Hey, neat map. Some things me and Welf noticed:

1. You can skip this part with a hook from here.
2. Maybe add a block and a stopper here so it's more intuitive to do a swing and hook?
3. Would be a bit easier to get the other player up if you adjusted the structure a bit.
4. I'd put that endless hook a bit closer so it's more intuitive.
5. Can you move the hooktrough up one tile? It's a bit weird having to drop a bit first before you can hook.
6. Not sure how this part is meant to be played but we think it would be best to have on player hammer at the corner. (Works currently but could be improved) Filling the tube with freeze. Also make the tele at the bottom just a little wider to be more comfortable.
7. As Welf has shown this is doable solo. Maybe add a small platform on the left to throw from and increase the width of the tele. You can probably also move the platform on the right a bit farther away so it's a bit harder. Might need to lower the floor a bit to make it more comfortable.

Don't forget to take a look at the other skips shown by Welf. ^^

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Okay, let's make the changes now

Some areas that can be skipped will also be modified

I didn't understand the third picture🧐

This skipping method is so cool

ye xd

Point 7, I know it's easy to die like this, but if I add a platform below, it won't be my original idea. Do you have any better suggestions?

Yeah maybe the colouring is bad. I made it in the editor:

What was the original idea?

It's a little ugly😭

It's just kicking it in the air

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I have modified some issues, but some areas that can be skipped have not been changed yet

I'm already very late here. I went to bed and will continue to make changes tomorrow

what is it?🧐

Tell us what you have changed but you did that in your next message so it's fine. :P Good night!

he can hold d in original

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Fixed some places that can be skipped

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The fix you did didn't help much. :P

Another skip, different part:

Things to note:

1. Faily edge. Could extend the tele out by one.
2. I think you can remove that stopper. Hooking the roof and moving into the corner should suffice.
3. One more hooktrough here? The current angle needed is very hard.
4. This stopper doesn't exist.
5. I mentioned to lower the whole floor to make the throw comfortable. You didn't have to add a safe platform I just would've liked a clear spot to throw from. You can add freeze on top of it and extend the tele from the right.
6. You didn't like that suggestion from my last notes? (Was number 2)

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Fixed some areas that can be skipped, as well as some modifications to the levels

Point 6, I think the space in that place is too small, adding a stopper would make it very crowded

I want to see how your can skip level 13 now 😛

Sorry to disappoint.. 😅

They are quite harder to do now so maybe you can keep them... Up to you.

You have a fake tile here:

The platform on the right needs to be brought back by 2 tiles. And can you extend the tele out by two more as well?

Can you explain the last part to us? We don't get how it's supposed to work.

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I still made some modifications to level 13

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1268185956066922550/1268618255891955752

At first, my idea was to hold onto the tee below and use a hammer to provide speed to pass through from above, but now it seems that it's not possible anymore. Maybe I changed some places, so I'll make some changes now😭

Okay, no worries. :)

skips

1st screenshot - first hit might be hard for moderate players, especially for first part in t0 2nd screenshot - ending of this part is a little awkward (1 tile gap hook and freeze below) 3rd screenshot - we really don't know the way how to complete this part, also it doesn't look clean with huge amount of entities 4th screenshot - useless stoppers 5th screenshot - as far as i could se you don't use speedup and switch layers 6th and 7th screenshots - don't export images like that with color, rather export them white and color ingame since it saves map file size (right now it's a bit too big, so it's better to optimize)

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This is too extreme. I can't even reach my hook👀

Why can we always think of these strange skipping methods

Modified some areas that can be skipped and reduced the size of the map

Yay you can finish the map now! :D

Unfortunately the way the last part works it's skippable.. :P

i like skips tbh

Atleast the first throw is fully okay. Let the players find out, its satisfying

Notes:

1. Maybe you want to add an endless off tile at one of these spots?
2. S1mple meant you can remove the stoppers, they are not really needed just leave it empty.
3. Can you move the tele closer? They feel a bit far away for the part. Last part has an unmarked freeze tile.

Yes I think some skips can be kept. Having multiple ways to do a part is usually good for entertainment. Just added it for disclosure. :D

You have some hooktrough here inside the tele. ^^ Also this part is just skippable in so many ways. Either you keep it or you probably would have to rework the whole part.

And if you want to remove the easier dummy drag way you'd have to fill a bit more with unhook. :)

Modified some places and changed the final level

• You didn't want to add the endless off at the way back?
• Do you want the last part to be a hookfly? Otherwise you can just remove the hammer off part would be still fine in my opinion.

I turned the end into a hookfly

Saw that this was addressed earlier as soloable in an early version then were told to bring the tiles back out so idk if it's intentional, but pretty easily soloable still.

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Modified areas that can be skipped and added some textures

I feel like this image is getting harder and harder. What should I do? The final hookfly is harder than the others

Is this ok?

Can you answer the first point?

Notes:

1. Can you add a bit more hooktrough there so when you hammer from the right you can also get a good hook to do it in one motion?
2. Still doable solo. Maybe four more unhook tiles should prevent that.
3. Make the floor unhook and add one and two tele tiles at the marked spots and the skips should be fixed.
4. The marked area doesn't serve a purpose now and just looks a bit misplaced. Can you remove it? And I don't think a hookfly fits here. Just make it a normal hammerfly. If you want add a layer of freeze with unfreeze above to make it a little more difficult.

the section i marked can be removed too (the teleporters also dont have a purpose now)

this part is still a bit tough, especially since its faily, can you extend the platform by 1?

overall the map felt unbalanced, i am not really sure how to change that, so maybe more opinions would be nice, however i can say that the things that bugged me the most were the part above and the following 2 parts:

the issue of these 2 parts is, that the setup takes alot of time, so if you are at a moderate skill level, these parts can get very frustrating

also a suggestion: you can add a blinking animation to the lamps, it's easy to do and i can help you with that (you can dm me if you need help)

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I have adopted some of the suggestions above

I forgot to add it now

Like the light behind the logo?

If that's the case, I've tried it before but the effect didn't feel very good. I saw some flying insects on the lights in the map before, how did they do this？👀

you can just open the map in the editor to see how it's done

i was talking about the lamps, not the logo

[Have to Fix]to10 two corners missing.

[Suggestion]to10 Wherever you hooked in, you can't go to the gap by yourself. Instead, have to let partner hit you. Had better change. Chinese:无论你钩上面的哪里，你自己一个人总归到不了右边的口子那里去锤人，必须要让队友帮你过去，最好改一下。

[Have to Fix]stoppers with and without unfz look the same.

[Have to Fix]to13 skip. One tee left side, The other right side, RT get speed from LT, LT dj and RT drag LT. Chinese:左边的tee跳起来拉右边的tee加速，然后右边的tee就拉在空中的左边的tee，到下面二段就上去了，这关就投机了。

Video

[Have to Fix]Unused Corner.

[Suggestion]Bush on iron unhk tiles. Chinese:草长在铁皮上。

[Have to Fix]Left side of to6. Corner.

[Have to Fix]to8 skip.

cool map!

Please fix ASAP.

the old method also still works (hammerrun + hook from below)

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Modified some of the issues above

we are still working on the map and the testers somewhat agreed to first look for gameplay bugs and then look for design bugs, so please keep in mind to focus on gameplay on your tests unless you think that the gameplay doesn't need improvements 🙂

Hi! I think your map has a lot of good parts, but also some parts that need reworking.

Good parts: I don't think these need much changing for now: tp 6, tp 8, tp9, tp10, tp11, tp14

Parts that need a little changing: Tp 13: It has potential, the movements are nice, but as it is now, it's a bit messy and disorganized. There is too little space for the tees to move around as they do the part, I think you need to improve the spacing here

Tp 15: Hookfly is pretty hard for this level of map, especially the way you need to set it up midair. I would probably make this easier or maybe allow them to use hammer.

Parts that need a lot of changing, or entire reworks:

Tp 1: I would move this away from the start, it is a little blocky and pretty confusing especially for the first part of the map. Also, the movement to reach unfreeze from the right section of the part is a little awkward.

Tp 2: Not a bad part, but a little plain compared to the rest of your parts, and also somewhat blocky (to fix the blockiness, add more than 3 blocks of hookthru on the right side incase 3+ tees fall into the hole)

Tp 1 and Tp 2: Both of these parts have areas where it's easier to just let the tee fall into the tele after you get one guy over -- then, the movements for the second guy are a lot easier (if this doesn't make sense let me know and I can clarify). It does feel a little odd personally, but it's not something you really need to fix. But i would recommend you fix this behavior

Tp 4: very generic compared to the rest of the parts, I felt this one was very 'filler'-like -- better just remove it if you aren't able to make it better

tp 5: This part has potential, but you definitely need to rework it. As it stands right now, the spacing seems pretty awkward and the part has poor flow + feels unsatisfying to play IMO

tp 7: The start is much much harder than the ending of this part, so it's sort of imbalanced within itself. The drag itself is also super plain and overall I think this part could use a few reworks.

I recommend you add a little more filler or some easier parts near the start just to introduce players to the map a little more gently

the filler you have right now is pretty blocky and seems like it could be frustrating. it also breaks flow pretty abruptly

if anything i said doesn't make sense, please let me know and i will clarify more

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i really liked some of your parts and hope you can fix the rest and get it released ^^

Thank you very much for your feedback. I will continue to modify the map

change： Tp15：You can use a hammer to reduce difficulty, everything else remains the same Tp13：Increased the serving space on the left and jumping space on the right, but reduced the movement space in the middle to prevent one person from getting up from the middle. The method of passing remains unchanged Tp4：On the basis of maintaining the original, the method of passing the level has been changed, increasing the gameplay and some difficulty of the levels

Will continue to modify Tp2, Tp5, Tp7

i would somehow make the hammer here just a tiny bit easier

or maybe im understanding incorrectly how to do this part 😅

maybe this is better yk? like instead of stopper there just have a 1 block gap

so its faster to move off of it

sorry for the mediocre gameplay lmao, but you could also explore some idea like this (there are some ways to cheat it though so you'd have to fix those too)

its up to u, this is rly just a suggestion

waiting for things above and ur other tp fixes

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Remade Tp7 and modified the position of the infinite hook

In that case, how can the tee on the left go up🧐

It's not easy to die here, so a hammer like this shouldn't be difficult on the map at this stage, right

maybe im misunderstanding hte part, can u send a vid on intended way?

tbf its probably fine

im just owrried it might get blocked a lot in t0

Colors can be improved (specially the bg)

Remade Tp2

Do you have any suggestions for bg？👀

less green more pink yk

instead of green at top of gradient, put pink

and leave blue aT bottom

ok

Change the green color above to fans

u should also try adding a 2nd darker color of jungle_midground bush

a little more purple, a little more desaturated, in front of the current pink bush

and adding slightly more midground coverage in general, it will make ur map look a little nicer

some more space here woudl be nice

not necessarily in that shape, do how u wish

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tp 7 is kinda awkward, there's this annoying bug where u dont get dj inside stopper if ur hooking onto another tee

the idea is nice, but needs some polishing

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I know that, but why can't I refresh dj when hooking onto tee🧐

It can be done without hooking onto the tee

Added empty space to the left of Tp2 and changed the stopper of Tp7 to jump

Do you have any suggestions for Tp1 and Tp5

nope, have fun 😁

start of tp 5 is fine, just fix ur spacing and maybe add a better move for the ending

Modified some map texture errors

1 tile ht drag seems a bit troll for the very first part of a moderate map. why not make it 2 tile wide so faster players can pass through it faster?

maybe the freeze would look more pleasing with less alpha (less saturated)

some more color variation would make the map design look more pleasing i think

i came to inform you that there are some skips in your map:

only works when the partner is not 100% up into the stopper

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Fixed some places that can be skipped

I think easier with real tee

Modified some of the issues above

oop, i forgor this (9 tele)

i think you can fix it later

Is there any problem here?

yea

uh

Too detailed, isn't it

as you wish

Fixed this place

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corners

skip

i think you can do smth like that for fix 🙂

Fixed this place

Is the background and decoration too monotonous? Do you have any suggestions👀

you can add some clouds, sun, mountains, or some other parallax things if you want

What is the acceptable range of map size？

Because the music at the beginning was added, the map is now quite large

1-2mb is huge

Can it be this big👀

should be fine

there are bigger maps, so don't worry about the size 😅

i'd advise to optimize map file size anyway

u can cut de map like that later :DD

hm 1.16mb is pretty big for the design, i'll check later how you can reduce it

decrease quality of tiles and sounds

for example: quality of 4k bunny ears

Is there any way？

I managed to lower map file size by almost 300kb by just lowering image resolutions (it is barely visible), if you want to lower file size even more you might wanna cut part out of sound but it's up to you. Also, sound cuts off kinda weird, i advise adding some fade out effect on the end of it

in google: "online downscale image"

free no ads and smth

i also fixed the rendering bug (you need to export images with 5-10 blank pixel border in each direction so it will render image without buggy lines)

||picresize.com/en/batch (random online converter i found)|| i think u can do multiple files here if you want

its better to do it yourself rather than have an online tool do it

Reduced the size of the map

Thank you so much

Learned it

all these new novice/moderate maps look and feel the same I don't see the purpose of them anymore, they feel like just another map you play once and never touch again

we need more maps for farming free points!

i mean, its just another era of mapping, lots of bit (the mapper) inspired / ssu inspired maps nowadays for novice+moderate and lots of t0 otherwise

u cant look at any other era of mapping and say that all the maps in that era are "unique"

lots of maps are definitely a lot more similar nowadays but i think thats because the mapper pool atm is made of a lot of new mappers and thus they look to other maps as initial inspiration

we should stop saying "look at the recently released maps" when we decline maps 😼

jokes aside, i don't think it is a fair criticism for a new mapper to tell them that their map feels too much like all the others.

please explain your issues with this mapping style, so we all can learn from it (especially the new mapper who created this), instead of putting it into a box 🙂

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Hollow Knight

Is it done like that?

what XD

That was already discussed a lot like half a year ago when super many novice were submitted which were all really similar. no big critism, but i also feel like its also caused by expectations and Id say unofficial rules by the testing. not to mix up to many styles for example, which was also a argument against adorenarine if i remember right

i dont really see the connection from adorenarine to novice maps

To not mix up different styles in a map

yeah but is there a novice map that mixes up different styles, that dont fit together?

cant look up all testing logs of the declined maps to confirm my feeling^^

okay maybe i missed those situations, my bad then 😅 i think on brutal/insane map styles are somewhat different to novice map styles

ofc its different, but well also wrong channel to discuss it^^

How long does it usually take to publish? I'm about to start school😭

usually a few weeks or years

i can tell you that it wont be released before september, you can see the scheduled releases in

i'd say you probably have ~5-25 more hours of testing/fixing/making new parts for this map, depending on how efficient you are with mapping

tbf u can keep some of those skips knuski mentioned if u want (some of the harder ones) because they could be neat for speedrunners

Added a brand new background and animation

I almost forgot about the rabbit

you can add paralax if you want

for bg

static background looks a little unnatural imo

smth like that

The moon and stars move

How did it happen

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add new groups and move this textures in this groups\

then change para x/y

the further away the object, the less "para" I think

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971824042262806598/1275369586740563972/1.map?ex=66c5a3fc&is=66c4527c&hm=8adab10d9514c8360e27c3ecfc07656c337c0f7b3175bcaf7712f1c9aa34a787& this is what I had on video

Great suggestion

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Optimized some item colors

Modified some texture errors

Modified some texture errors

How to change the music to full picture

wow

I still feel that the difficulty is different, so I want to change Tp1 back to its original state and redo Tp3 because Tp3 doesn't seem to have any novelty and doesn't fit in with other levels. How about that?

Increased some difficulty

Compact map, I like it

It's been a long time without any new suggestions😭

we are doing stuff in our free time here, 3 days is not "a long time"

u still have to do some reworks i think

tp4

Can you explain the reason? Is it because it's too difficult?

oh sorry i meant tp 5 i think

Is it because the drag and drop process is boring?

i said my feedback earlier in the channel, the spacing and flow of that part is weird

I see

Remake Tp5

problem?

Modified texture error

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Fixed the skipped areas in Tp5

check this thing with and without entities plz

Fixed some texture errors

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Fixed texture errors

Changed the style of beginning and ending

I'm going to school, so I can't change the map immediately, but I can come back over the weekend. Just send the map issue here

i think here is small space to go back .

amazing map

with novice players (around 20 ) was terrible to play on this map xD

i think its terrible to play a lot of maps with 20 novice players

Yes it was

Map is not really special but also not bad in my opinion. I'm not too sure about the endless hooks parts. It didn't really seem to need endless that much if mapped slightly differently. However, some more issues I found:

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The passage in the middle is in the past, and if you want to go back, you can use the Tp on the right

If you run for the first time, it will indeed be crowded with many people, but each one is also separated by more than ten blocks, which is actually difficult to avoid👀

The first picture, I actually feel that it is too simple here. But before I asked, no one said.😭 The second picture, my initial idea was to kick people up and pull it until it thaws, and now it seems like it will be redundant, do you want to delete it?🧐 The fourth picture, is it because of the tediousness of moving left and right, or is it a bit difficult to circle the part? But in fact, it can pass very quickly

Maybe I can try to make the circled part of the fourth image a little easier👀

me zhady and ryu think the parts are somewhat unbalanced, a mix between novice (tp3), brutal (tp4) and moderate

2024-09-07 12:58:44 I chat: Ryu: is this brutal 2024-09-07 12:58:46 I chat: Zhady: wtf 2024-09-07 12:58:47 I chat: Zhady: is this 2024-09-07 12:58:50 I chat: Ryu: XD 2024-09-07 12:58:54 I chat: Ryu: is this moderate? 2024-09-07 12:58:57 I chat: Anthony: yeah 2024-09-07 12:58:59 I chat: Ryu: lmaooo

our reaction to tp4

2nd pic: I'd suggest to add unfreeze and break the part idea as it just makes you stall for no particular reason, yes 4th pic: The main issue I see in this part is the start of it and yes going left and right and stuff like this is generally bad for early parts, you might want to replace this part entirely tbh

valid, please adjust the mentioned parts by balancing it

Modified some of the questions above，Tp3 remastered

on tp 4 i think you should remove the top freeze or make more space to hammer

Is TP4 really that hard?

yes for moderate

In this case, you can directly hammer it up

TP3 was remade and the brick color was adjusted

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remade tp3

put eyes here 👀

Fixed some texture bugs

So first of all, when stuff is mentioned in this channel then this is not to be ignored but to be taken care of. I'm saying this because you didn't fix:

• The above-mentioned issue on tp 11
• The balancing problems regarding tp 4
• The issue with part 1 (I will elaborate that later on)

So please make sure to work through this little checklist.

What is important on this map is that it doesn't feature a filter. This is what makes part 1 so problematic as it's a little complex with the forward-backward moves that it forces. It makes players stall and force blocking as it's the very beginning of the map and this is terrible. What I'd suggest is replacing the part entirely. However, if you don't want to do that you should make sure to speed up the whole process of playing the part (screenshot 1). You also have a difficulty jump from the first parts in comparison to the rest of the map - this isn't too bad here though.

You should also always keep an eye open for unfreeze placements when mapping (screenshot 2-4). Additionally, please try to avoid using special tiles and try to map as tidy and pleasant as possible, this does also include making parts intuitive and making it feel natural (screenshot 5-8).

Anyway, the endless hook parts are what gives me a headache the most. Let's talk about the first one in detail: You make it seem like there was pretty much to it because of the way you mapped it. It makes the players expect quite a lot. The problem is that there is nothing like that, in fact I still fail to understand the part idea. It's a throw and holding hook while taking speed on the tee. That's just not enough for what you made it require which makes it seem odd and also unbalanced (screenshot 9). The second one has issues as well but more of a minor nature (screenshot 10).

I'd highly suggest replacing tp 13 because of many issues (screenshot 11).

The last part of a map should never be faily like that (screenshot 12).

Screenshot 1:

Screenshot 2-4:

Screenshot 5-8:

Screenshot 9:

Screenshot 10:

Screenshot 11:

Screenshot 12:

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Fixed all the issues above, reworked TP13

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can you show how tp13 is intended? it looks very hard the way we are doing it rn

• tp 4 and tp 13 unbalanced (too difficult)
• tp 5 is inconsistent now if you don't wallhammer (which should not be intended in order to complete the part)
• don't need speed on tp 7, I don't know if that's intended or not but you could easily force that (EDIT: I just noticed that you didn't even remove endless from this part so I guess never mind lol)
• tp 8 misses a marking in design while you indicated it in entities
• seems like you nerfed tp 16 on the one hand but made it more difficult on the other hand
• the end of tp 15 is too difficult considering both players have no dj

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Sound cutting off and design could be considered to be too bright

design is fine in my personal opinion, but yeah it

be too bright for some

i like the music but i would personally like it to be locked to the start - consider playing this for an hour with a 2 minute music loop in your head - people would feel like they're calling their doctors office

some parts are a little unbalanced, it felt like jumping between novice 4-5 to moderate 3-5

Tweaked the music (just at the beginning) Remove all the tele of TP4 (maybe make it easier?) ） The drop channel of TP13 has been increased Fixed some texture bugs

TP5 can keep jumps used at the end

Changed the color and added hints

I originally thought that the difficulty was intermediate 3, can you specify the levels with different difficulties?

Fixed texture bugs, optimized some textures, and added speedup in TP13

nice map honestly

Sorted out some tiles

This was the third time that I asked for an appropriate change on tp 4 and you made it harder instead of easier (as requested). I won't look further into the map until this issue is solved.

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put the fries (decline) in the bag bro

remade tp4

The current hook section feels too simple and doesn’t provide a meaningful challenge. Right now, the only thing preventing progress is the narrow 2-tile tunnel, which doesn’t add much to the gameplay experience. The part, as it is, feels out of place and should be reworked.

You can easily fix this 1-tile tunnel issue by giving the tees more space in this part. Allowing for more freedom of movement would make it feel less restrictive and more enjoyable to play through. A wider area would reduce frustration and make the gameplay flow better while still maintaining a challenge.

You can restart from the beginning if the catch isn’t hit the first time, which I think is great. However, I find the implementation with the stopper lacking. If you map this part with more space, I’m sure you can come up with a better idea that will also play much smoother. Allowing for more freedom in movement and flow would enhance the gameplay while maintaining the intended challenge.

The two unhook tiles at the beginning can sometimes be annoying when playing the part, so it would play better without them. Also, one of the 1-tile tunnels is unnecessary, and having more space would improve the flow. You could then map unfreeze in the upper area so that the tee can start directly from there. Additionally, I would extend the hookthrough to make the hook easier to execute.

You could adjust the hook here to make it flow better, so that I don't have to jump twice to get the hook and pass through.

Part 2 would be easier with these changes, but I think you can implement my feedback and create more space overall in the part while still keeping the difficulty at the same level to avoid any balance issues.

I think this part is good, but you could avoid using all these 1-tile tunnels and create more space in your parts. Please apply this to other sections as well, if applicable, to ensure smoother gameplay.

If you give this section more space downwards, it could provide an even smoother experience. Also, the 2-tile gap at the beginning could be a bit wider.

In my opinion, this section doesn't play smoothly because I often lose speed against the wall, and even using the hammer doesn't help much after that.

There should be more space at the beginning to properly play this part. Also, the gameplay with the jump into the speedups doesn't feel smooth and interrupts the flow. You should consider reworking this section as well.

I think I've seen this part before, exactly like this. Is that possible?

Some of these areas could use a bit more space downwards, just a few more tiles, but not too many.

This part doesn't play smoothly, mainly because of the limited space between the floor and the ceiling.

I don't think the map is bad, but overall, there could always be a bit more space in some areas, mainly within the parts to make it feel smoother. Also, some part ideas don't feel fully developed, and I feel like something is missing in certain spots. You could go through it again yourself and improve the areas where the gameplay is less entertaining.

That's all from me for now, and I'd be happy to take another look at the map once you've made some changes.

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ai generated comments

1. Revised the beginning
2. TP1 has been remastered
3. Enlarge the space for TP4, TP8, TP9
4. Removed TP2 block

I think if the walls were removed here to make more space like TP2, the method of clearing the level would be changed. The space that exists in one block is needed to pass the level, so I didn't change it

Losing speed may have an effect on the speedrunner, but it's okay to go through it normally, and the speedrunner should think of a better way😀

If there is a level that may be accidental, this level is borrowed from one of my previous failed diagrams, maybe you are talking about this?

Could it be a problem with the method of passing the parlay? The upper and lower spaces can instead fix the way you pass the level👀

Magical usage of the editor

Looks amazing, off-topic here though

In my opinion, you could remove these tiles at least so that the player can directly pick up the tee from below.

I understand what you're saying, but my feedback wasn't about speedrunning. The issue is that the part doesn't feel good to play in general, even in normal gameplay. When you approach the wall, you often lose speed, and it's hard to build enough momentum to go upwards with just a good jump. It interrupts the flow, and I think it would be better if you found a way to make it smoother for all players.

This way you can build more speed for the swing, for example.

I'm not sure tbh. But might be.

More space would feel better. Using the hammer actually works worse than without it.

I'm sure this is not how you intended it to be.

Yeah that tee inside the block does look out of place. :D

So I believe I played the part correctly, but I think there should be more space here.

I was simulating a second player jumping there and trying to hook me while I was swinging haha

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Increases the space problem above

It seems to slow down like this👀

it feels way more intuitive if you can swing with only 1 hook which will basically work everytime

you will notice the difference

did you test it?...

Tested map again, posting feedback later

First of all, thanks for making changes! However, I noticed some things while testing with other players/testers and want to write down all my feedback and criticism which is going through my mind and also let you know whether the map is close to release or not.

1. On my suggestion you changed the beginning and I feel like this is a good idea to start in the map. Although every player will climb up to the hookables and either find their way to the platform or they will build up speed before the startline by using the swing.

The main issue is, that most players would like to swing as it's the most comfortable option. That could be improved, by setting up the swing not above but below the spawn so you can just take it smoothly without climbing up first. That's my personal suggestion and it's up to you if you choose it or improve the spawn with another idea so you can get a clean start without too much trouble.

2. Screenshot 1 - You changed this part and right now this one is very similar to part tele 14 which is also not too different from part tele 15 which I personally think fits the best too your map, also because it's the last part.

You would need to rework both of the other parts and this time you should put more effort into testing those to make sure they fit the map and play smoothly as some of your other parts also still need to be improved.

3. Screenshot 2 - This part seems kinda easy to me now... Maybe the change I suggested earlier wasn't that good, so you could change it back and I will add a screenshot of how I would suggest it to be to fix some issues. However, there is a cheat (which was already existing in a previous version) and the only way I can think of right now, is to add stoppers and add a back tele at the end if you like to fix the cheat.

4. Screenshot 3 - Unfreezing someone on edge doesn't feel comfortable at all and you should add more hookthrough or think of another way to make it more enjoyable for players. Also the jump to the wall is really unintuitive and you could definitely come up with something better if you work on the part.

5. Screenshot 4 - I posted 2 videos before and if the 2nd way I showed is the intended way, then you should have a better setup for this part to make it more obvious.

• good cto spawn for the swinging guy.
• add teleport to make it unfaily
• fix the cheat/other way (by removing the stopper and the unfreeze above it)

I will post another video of how I think it should be intended.

6. Screenshot 7 - People were really confused playing this part. You should make this part work completely without endless to make it fit better to the map, also as this is the only part which is using these tiles.

7. Screenshot 11 - The speedups are the biggest issue here, as you could just change a little bit of the part to make it work without them. Special tiles aren't needed here at all so please avoid using them when they are not needed.

After seeing a rework, I would test the map again and if there will be a noticeable upgrade, then this map could probably be released soon. But right now above 50% of the parts could be improved somehow. Thanks for your effort putting into this map and I'm looking forward for the next version. I hope you are not disappointed about the feedback and criticism but see this more as a goal to improve your map again!

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🤣

I'm sorry for the wait, it was because I couldn't log in to Discord, but now I've made the following changes

TP1: This place may indeed be a bit similar to TP14, but it's not the same as the festival, a small modification TP2: Change back to the way it was TP5: Remastered, the previous level was really not very smooth, but I haven't figured out how to change it yet, so I remastered it CP5: This changes my general intentions and adopts the above pass TP16: There's a lot more space here TP10: It's been remastered here, there were too many slots before, and there was nothing new, so it was completely reworked TP13: Removed the acceleration in the middle TP15: Lengthened stooper

Some of the things mentioned above but not changed: Picture 10 12 13. The two places, 10 and 13, I think, are just transitions in the middle of the level, and you don't need to focus too much on quality. Picture 12, I don't know what the big problem is, and then because it's a bit similar to TP1, I've already mentioned it above

Modified map bugs

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Hello Pinfandsj. Super cool map, really enjoyed the playthrough. Parts are really good and very creative. - I just wish the map was a little bit longer! (2-3 parts more) I have a couple suggestions:

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Nice test. On your 2nd screen you didn't write anything, did you forget it?

Looks like a suggestion of how to fix the part.

Oh now i get it xD

Fixed the above issue and added a small level

Fixed some minor issues

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Hey

Thanks for taking my suggestions! Here are the bugs I found:

I really like when the hookthrough is all connected. I think this tileset would looks really good in the map!

I would also like to see the lights have their own custom envelopes. Fikmesån has a guide on how to do them! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QSKceProSg)

You should also fix the teleport numbers. Have them go from 1-17.

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Fixed the texture error above and modified the image. Added light animations

Hey

I found a couple more bugs:

You also have a lot of unnecessary freeze behind the other tiles.

You should only place the tiles that are needed, right now it is very messy.

I would also suggest you to put the grass to group#5 to see all the quads & tiles placed behind it. (Do the same with unhook after)

It can be a bit hard to see some of the tiles, you should change the color to something more noticeable while fixing the bugs.

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Fixed an issue with textures

You still have many bugs that I already mentioned. Look at the pictures again and make sure to remove all the tiles & quads behind the grass.

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Fixed texture bugs for lights and grass

In picture #2 I mentioned 3x corner bugs too. You only fixed one of them

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It's also too careful

Ye I know it doesn't matter too much since it is hidden behind the grass, but would be better to have it perfect! 🙂 The corner bug is the biggest issue, if you cannot be asked to fix the other once it should be fine imo.

Found one more bug

Oh my God, how did this find out

Problems with what's fixed

First ready set by Trial Tester. Map needs to be tested again by an official tester before fully evaluated. Suggested Difficulty Rating:★☆☆☆☆

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Fixed the issue above

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Layers which have to be in HD

0 yeyou_clouds

white big circle afternight_moon

1-#4, #6, #9

5 yeyou_clouds

What should I do?👀

tele 3

Fixed the issue above

I would have removed all freeze within the teleports btw.. but I guess its fine

Can I choose my own publishing time?

You covered your background in pink clouds xD

But the actual bg is white huh You should give it some color

Those should be marked in design as well whenever you mark them in entities.

yes just write here what u want

or dm me

mention timezone if ur not from europe

On the evening of November 30th at 9pm, East Eighth District

I will make the modifications tomorrow😀

kk

ready when u changed

Changed the color of the background and added some hints

🎉

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that?

yes

🔥

These are not needed

The map is now ready to be released! Difficulty Rating: ★☆☆☆☆ Unoptimized version: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1268185956066922550/1310061286113021954

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✅

not important but:

bruh i tried to do this while testing but could never get it 😭

Grandma speedrun trick

Can I still make adjustments to the map？

Due to my mistake, this place has been added with two more squares, so it seems that it is not possible to go up with a hammer

done

your map has just been released, and you now have a 2-week grace period to identify and resolve any unnoticed bugs or skips. After these two weeks, only design and quality of life (QoL) fixes will be allowed, provided they don't impact the leaderboard rankings. Be aware that significant gameplay changes may impact and lead to the removal of ranks. Good luck with your map!

ARE U SURE THIS IS ONE STAR MODERATE MAP??????????

you mean this is 1*, right???

Its more like 3

But good mappa

still wrong ratings? xd

pls let someone rate maps who know something, its painfull to see so much mistakes

Its not near a novice atleast

yeah its not easy to notice just by pictures xd

its something between 2-4

3

can you explain why you rated it 1*?

Honestly I just took it from this message

Hmm mechanically it should be a little higher I guess :p

ohh...

i think the main problem is the difficulties jumping too much between part and parts, some are easy but some is like 3 4 star

can you explain why you rated it 1*?

yes that too, but its a part of the testing b4, to make sure its balanced etc

i guess we can rate it higher but testers need to somewhat agree first 😅

But I didn't disagree too much with 1* when I wrote ready 1 too

But now that I think more about it, it might actually be harder than 1

feels like a harder easy map 3,5*

More like 2-3

3 is fair ig?

yea

Isnt that faily

Just some mechanics are a bit harder

Map is not too long as well

ye

faily and a bit brain

3

• a bit unbalanced

agreed

3* seems fair

I figured it was an easy map, was thinking like 1-2 stars 🙂

alright i see. are you fine with rating it 3*?

i can see it being 2* too

Ye

👀

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Optimized version, and can you please change the rating to 3*?

short but too much mechanic ;-;

and quite alot part

done

An obvious texture issue

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I would leave it for now if there are no gameplay relevant changes. Minor things like design can be combined and updated later since more might show up. :D

Okay, so is the update still posted here?

Yeah just post your fixes here. As I said if it's gameplay relevant it will get updated quickly.

Just don't want to update on every design fix since it's still within the first 24 hours of release. After a few days if more stuff shows up we can update it at once. :)

Will this map have a difficulty change?

$decline reason:map too hard for a noob like me

This command was not found.

yes

Is it not updated already?

Still a 1* when i played it like 20 minutes ago

Can you check now?

Sure lemme boot up my laptop

Hmm, ok looks like it needs a bit more time. If you select it on the website it shows as updated.

it's a bit buggy ._. should be fixed soon (i talked to snail about it today)

should be fixed (thanks to

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