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omg welcome back!

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Change:

1. Changed Uploader
2. Fixed some bugs
3. Changed some rooms and machines' place and added some new content

blue text looks weird

welcome back!

can you not? you know.. not everybody here is an adult.

wait

what the hell happened

alright we'll change

in fact kinki isn't an adult too, he learned a lot of bad things online

have this map been tested?is there anything need to change that you think?

(except the word color and tips in answer)❤️

you dont have to change the word color but instead like put a stroke or shadow around it so its more visible

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rls

I have potentially some improvements that relate to the mechanisms but not to the gameplay, but in my tests the map seems to work fine. The start behavior is a bit confusing though

𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎:

• 𝓐𝓭𝓭𝓮𝓭 the shadow of the tip
• 𝓒𝓱𝓪𝓷𝓰𝓮𝓭 the place of the 7seg display tip
• 𝓡𝓮𝓶𝓸𝓿𝓮𝓭 some unused speedups

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it may also be better if you make the drawing area less tall and make the letters all in one row

Bot is complaining (a lot) about old speedtiles. Please upgrade your client to DDNet 19.1 and use the new ones. If it's too much work for you, please PM me, I can write a script swapping them for you

why is bot complaining so much in so much channels

because this bot is a picky eater, and my map is expired

bad bot

:C

hgCnade:

• Cnhgaed the most of teh OUT speedup into teh new sleepup
• Fxi smoe layer isuess

changed fixed the some speedup issues

holy

Have you played around with speeding up the mech with air_friction 1 or gravity 0?

not yet

ive been able to make mech that can branch just as fast as tele, but for this it may not be possible due to using draggers. you would need O(5) worst-case for each branch to ensure dragger tick takes effect

Change:

• Fixed a layer order error
• Added some no frictional zone

as i understand it you use walls + gravity to stop the word tee right?

ye

i wonder if you could do a 5 tick system with zero grav or if your way is easier

youcould potentially just increase gravity until it stops working consistently

(which is something i did for volleyball at one point)

also, if you increase gravity, you can increase the speeder forces

(probably)

let me try it

practice is the sole criterion of truth🦾

a shorter distance maybe faster, but in longer distance smaller gravity is better

I'm just kinda crazy like that, I'll sit in the editor for 8 hours trying to make some mech go 2 ticks faster

is this showing the difference friction makes?

let me try 0 friction now

0 doesn't work properly, 1 is the only value that truly removes it

recommend both

and

uh yes

this gravity 1

higher gravity is slower

This is, because the new speeders stop accelerating you when you reach the highest possible speed

The old speeders kept accelerating you, until ramp kicked in and then you got slower, even if your velocity increases (yes this sounds stupid and is hard to explain)

this is not how friction works, no friction =

, when I did ice I used

, so he would need a friction like

(this variable is inverted for whatever reason)

suggestion, you want to make the Tee go slower right? Then just use max_speed for the new speeders

but if tee is in a tunezone, it still accelerating tee

uh may not, it keep a velocity

wdym? i told him to use 1 already

i found a serious bug that can destroy the map completely

all the player will be trapped in to35

can you explain the bug?

yeah

just make a tee enter the "dummy" in team0 by the shotgun bug

then another tee start and enter,then enter the "clean"

can you record this being done? also, if it isn't a bug that can occur under normal gameplay circumstances, it shouldn't matter much for Fun maps. consider that Volleyball has some unintended behavior if you are trying to play improperly

if its an easy fix though it should be fixed

my computer is not at hand,maybe tomorrow?

but if this bug occurs,all the player that enter the game later will not play this map normally

this bug does exist

we are found it yesterday but i have a cough nearly a month and i went to the hospital

i will fix it

efficient mapper

but i have discovered some additional bugs in this map, though they are not as serious as the bug above

this fixed the above bug and turned some zone friction to 1

Anything left to be done?

we r waiting Pichfem to report the other bugs

i also really want to try messing with stuff to see if it can be faster but I think its not a big deal 😛

i still think word display can be more readable

don't like the 3x4

i tried to make volleyball score very compact and readable no matter where u are hooking left wall on default zoom

2x6 would be better

the letters themselves can also probably be more compact

yeah, i think it needs to be changed

in fact at when this map just a idea, i was thinking use the laser doors to cover the answers, when it finishes a round then close the corresponding door to show the answer

so the layout is a legacy issue

I think it's OK

the map will only collapse if a player tries to destroy it on purpose

and the player will be banned soon ; )

do you want my help at all? or are these changes you can handle?

i could try to make the mechanics zerograv and faster, word display should be easier

f**k

my account was hacked several days ago

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thanks to the discord support

he said he want

Moving it to waiting in this case

we need ur help😭😭

hey, what do you need help with? tune stuff?

just the thing you mentiond above❤️

I dislike that your tee appears to "clip" through the top of the box when starting to draw

you should specify that the tune_zone_enter message in the instructions room is an example. "Example prompt: You need to draw a - Tee. 你需要画一个 - Tee。" I was very confused by it because I thought the game "Started" without me entering the tele

or just dont include the tune_enter message, i think its already quite clear in the description

With hook enabled in the intro area, you can still throw someone into the Dummy area, i guess that's fine but it might be troll to do to your friend

if i could have it my way, i would rework this so that one person has a special CP that controls the logic. that way a dummy is not needed and 2 people can play. and right now since im at a setup that can only launch through steam, i cant really test locally

you should consider stacking undeep/unfreeze like this (you are not using the Front layer for anything here, so undeep can go in Game layer and unfreeze in Front layer)

why not just extend this and teleport to 34 after?

if they always go to 31 after im not sure what the point is

missing 255 down speeders

my advice to you for the word display area is to use the friction tune more. determine also if you can increase the gravity without messing up the draggers (speeders removed for visibility)

you have (at the least) 2 strong draggers per check. there is also nothing stopping you from repeating the draggers like so, this way they are always pulled with the same strength. when all of the mechanism has 5 draggers at each letter check, im sure you could really increase the gravity here after that

this way, they either immediately fall due to the gravity tune and no dragger interference, or they immediately get pulled into the ceiling again with zero gravity tune and a speeder rightwards

something like this

this whole box is the most inefficient area though, so ill highlight some things to consider here

use more draggers above (probably total of 5)

you use 255 down in the whole map except here. why?

generally (not just this area) you have a lot of spots like this where you put buttons in a column above a door, so that you cant use 255 speeder without getting the tee stuck in the door. my advice is to rethink how you're organizing your mech here, you could have the tee go 255 down really fast and then get a DIFFERENT speeder to the left/right which is blocked by a door, etc. (also include friction 1 in all of these places if you use horizontal movement, you use it sparingly currently)

this box is okay except for the bottom. i dont like the 80,1 way, you can probably just use a very high speed with zero gravity, and find the exact speed that slows them down just enough in a single up speeder row.

man youre gonna be credited as one of the mappers after this wtf

you're really hurting your ability to map mech cleanly due to the way you use normal gravity tune. with zero gravity, you are able to fully control tee speeds and tick-position expectations to 1-tile granularity

so my advice is to look at these huge spaces and ask yourself how you could disable gravity, apply some speed, and "handle" them at the bottom with a very simple setup

these are not super important "gameplay" optimizations, but in my view, mech is just as important in fun maps ^^

needs left/right speeders

(maybe)

255 im pretty sure would be faster than dragger at that tick..

the map is already in such a big space, you may as well make this "test" room match the normal playarea dimensions

you could experiment with friction here to improve the letter picker. i imagine this slight angle is "fighting" the friction

okay, onto the main area :D

quick example of how i would prefer the words to be displayed. 6x2 should be much more readable for smaller words and slightly more readable overall

it would fit pretty well on top of the canvas (with some 5 tiles or so on either side sticking out)

this has the advantage of visually "grouping" the players closer to the one drawing, which right now feels a bit bare

dont like this long chute that just puts them below

I think for most people drawing, they would be hanging around the middle, or want to hook to quickly leave the drawing area. so i think you should allow hookable in here for movement and also move the clean and end early teles up

the letter displays themselves can be improved a lot. i talked about this briefly in the past but i dont like the gaps, and there are ways to hide the non-overlapping areas of doors like we did for Volleyball score

this is the current beta Volleyball score display. it's incredibly compact and it's also a 7 segment display (exactly what you're using) so I recommend you just copy this design

i think making the letter display more compact than "pretty" is important for a game like this that involves much more screen space

you put chinese translations in tune, so to me the concept of a tile display for this is a bit weird. i thought you would just have two tune_zone_enter like "Your word is:" and "The word was:" and then a single tune_zone_enter message for each word. after rounds, you would display tune 2 and the word to all non-drawing players

also I'm pretty sure you might be confused about what air_friction does, since you use tune 111 in the last image here, which is pointless in a 1x1 column. air_friction only affects X movement, not Y movement

If you do intend to keep the translations, you should find a russian player who can translate the preset words in russian since that's also widely spoken by a ton of players

alright, sorry that was a lot ^^;

let me know if any of what i said is confusing

i can help with this if it happens

awesome

, if you wanted to take a look, there's a few dozen words I can write them out for you if its easier

Just a screenshot will be enough, but my main concern is does the map maker want to do that

yeah I guess we should wait

but I rly think it should be added anyway

I will check all these messages after 2 days (on weekend) I fall ill on time every times

good designs! I was tried to compress the displays but I failed, thanks for your help!

I plan to make this room back to old design, because it looks so narrow

once, a friend told me that if tester or mod sent a lot of messages and photos, then the map will be declined

but it seems not now

which name should I add to the thanks list?

xD

uhhh that's a good question

gorp works

just👀

any update?

if you need me to help I can try but I'm busy this weekend .-.

Do you know someone who uses a map editor? Please report them to the testers.

I have geography and biology unified exams recently

almost one year

2024/8/1-2025/6/15

gg

thats nothing, ive been making volley 2 for like 3 years

wow

YEP permalazy

amazing

i think im not nervous anymore

there's really no rush, people don't anticipate Fun maps like other categories

is this still being worked on

it will be released 5 business days away from ddnet 2

trust me, it will be released before GTA6

no, it will released when gta6 released

bruh

im little tired of maping

What are the current issues?

Would be nice to make this map finally releasable

i think i need to write more detailed instruction

uh im still not sure how to lay out the play area if i use the 6-2 display

countless issues sad😭