https://ddnet.tw/testmaps/?map=Desert_Drag

map is not really finish xd

lack of creativity and boring hooks

we can skip the door and cp3

i don't need to describe this part c.c

super faily

looks impractical

"Here, I fixed problems that you described. Sorry it took so long, I was away for a while. Pls review.

ja ja i'm not 100% committed to testing >.> juste wait for other tester's notice

i'm still not sure that the first part is acceptable (gore too take sg)

what's changed ?

here is what I fixed

test server hasn't been updated yet

that’s because the map he uploaded has the wrong name

Ah yes, My bad

reupload the map, idk if it works if I post by myself xd

ah no its done

first of all nice gameplay

but i dont know about design its really simple but not wrong i guess

but doesnt look that well in my opinion

there are very few things i found

has this a meaning or design bug?

delete the unnessecary tele and put them on bottom

the arrow is kind of irritating it assumes that you have to go to wall and not to jump in, put some marks above the tele so you know where to go

fill in freeze under blocks plz

fix

some missing design

add some unfreeze there

freeze missing

why are there even stopper? they look ugly too ._.

add some more blocks to hook there its annoying to hit hook there without dj

delete the block there, just annoying

Otherwise a good map with some nice parts, nothing i get excited about but still well playable.

fix

Delete 1-2 freeze, so that u can hammer dummy <-, if u drag him from right. dummey doesnt go enough to left side so its hard to hit him with sg.

Fix

blue one: add 1 speedup to left or make the speeder more powerfull. red one: sometimes u dont bounce far enough. maybe rly make the speedup above more powerful to prevent that or add a speeder there too

here u see

FIX

you can both go upper way so noone is deep, just delete the speedup downways (+ add more speed in the middle its quite slow)

add some start lines here or make a wall so that you cant skip startline

Otherwise good map, like it!

like it too +1

fIX

if you move Freeze layer above hook/unhook/ht you can fill the empty hole in the design, it will look tons better if you fix it

wrong sry

add freeze everywhere not just this

put mark in the middle

delete this stopper you dont need it

FIX ALL

red: usually u use this tiles for unfreeze, but u put it around the weapon. blue: u didnt mark unfreeze there, well its not that important but maybe u just forgot.

Also dunno if this tile is a good choice for unfreeze, cause most ppl use it for something like switch/solo or maybe teleport, never seen it for unfreeze.

And here u didnt mark solo and unosolo, maybe its intended?

Apart from the two pictures I didnt find any other design bugs

Gameplay: I jumped with DJ in speedup and didnt get in tele 5. 😦 Ill try again but that has to be fixed cause I did it usual way with doublejump

it seems u have to hold jump that it works. But ppl cant know this o:

I would exchange this stopper with unhook /troughhook block, cause when u hammer dummy -> and hook him, u hook him in the stopper and then u cant hook him up, so u have to get him out and put him in again. o:

kinda annoying to fail here cause dummy doesnt fly far enough after hammer and u cant even hook him back/no tele.

Thats all, hope it helps u 🙂

Your wishes are taken into account

upload? o:

isnt this impossible now? I meant to add in red normal block and in blue u need the stopper to pull dummy up? o:

and why did u put kill there o the right instead of the block before? lel kinda hard now 1 try up

blue = maybe unfreeze pink = u forgot freeze tile under block

I would delete freeze in stoppers, otherwise ppl will often fail here 😦

u forgot to remove entities or map tiles for blocks

fix

you still didnt fix this. You cant drag dummy up to deactivate switch cause u deleted stopper o:

its like this

Cant even hammer the dummy on this block.

And pls delete this kill the part is not that easy to do 1. try every time o:

well by throwing dummy left up, hooking him, and hammering right with jump + in fly i got him once on plattform. But failed 20x before. Dunno if this is intended this far in map o:

• i held d with dummy, without d didnt work

https://youtu.be/IAEhmqYT8pY

https://discordapp.com/channels/252358080522747904/697458041079070810/720335357593518201 fix this +

design issue

i do not know if this style is missing on purpose

I would make door 1 longer so it looks better

I like the map but this new part feels strange (I know how it works but still dont feel comfortable about it)

Especially the last hook when you deactivate switch

I feel like it destroys the flow from whole map but i guess mapper decides

But in total I think map is ready. (Just little fixes that are left over)

I like the map but this new part feels strange (I know how it works but still dont feel comfortable about it)

+, same

https://youtu.be/IAEhmqYT8pY

u pro then o: Maybe more ppl should test this part for me its just annoying

I'd do something like this

Its easier yeah, maybe if its too easy u can make it harder but with this u have more space down

fix

https://youtu.be/W__9vy-rPaU

This map isn't up to today's standards. There are some misleading parts, parts that are faily for no reason and overall rather low quality mapping. I don't think it's worth trying to fix this map

$decline

you say low quality mapping and want to release tangerine lmao

$reset

i think its a real fun map and i was close to ready it but i dont liked the design

i have no clue why gameplay is bad in your point of view

it has a good flow with some nice parts, i neither understand where parts are somehow misleading

there is litually just 1 way to go, sort of

imo if the design gets an update this really can be a good map and an enrichment for ddnet dummy

most faily parts have no reason to be faily, it's misleading in a couple of spots that can be fixed but it's not the main issue

there are random speeders etc that have no real point

structure is terrible

ye this map is from 2016, it’s obviously not up to current standards

$reset

if it's a 2016 map with 2016 standards then what is it doing here?

please dont randomly undo decisions from other testers

$decline

imo fixing the whole map's structure and making it all well mapped is too much effort tbh

• design would need a complete overhaul

I had real fun playing the map but if you say so

oldschool maps can be fun too

doesnt mean they meet our standards

didn't say it can't be fun, it's just not well mapped

stuff like missing shotgun can be half-ass fixed with arrows but that's still not really good mapping

Maybe look over map sooner so that I dont need to test this 3hours for nothing o:

map isn't THAT bad, just randomly unlucky faily at some spots

and dummy needs to move at 1 part

because you have to know exactly when to hook/jump

just remove some freeze and let ppl make less preciose movements

and maybe place speedups more thoughtfully

they feel kind of strange

what do u say

I don't see any counter argument to this being sloppy mapped

if others wanna release bad maps go ahead

well u can say what should be changed to make it good enough

it's not really an issue of changing 3 tiles and the map is good, then I wouldn't have declined

there are maps other would consider good that you dont like too. There are ppl who like it and ppl who dont like it. Thats just normal

well if its bad mapped then its not about liking it or not

I didn't say anything about liking or not, all I said is that it's not mapped well

what makes a map bad mapped? .-.

I think except 1 or 2 parts map is good mapped

+

So thats the same, some ppl thin kits good mapped other dont

sure it's technically fixable but it would take more than changing some speedups and placing some arrows

you would need to fix all random fail spots first of all

but structure is still bad unless you restructure the whole map

tthat's not hard

????????????????

be precise omg

I don't understand at all

maybe screen all parts whereu think its random fail and let

know that he can change.

structure is about how the map feels to move around, how parts connect and how it looks in entities

yea for example naufrage has cool structure

idk I just don't feel like gameplay is great enough to dismiss the other things

only you

But thats again your personal opinion. I played the map several times and for me it was good to play, I can see where i need to go and the most parts were smooth dunno

I asked some others like Qed too and they say its a good map :/

you always try to force ppl to agree with you

I only dont like the recent changes but I posted that before where I see the problems

you liked this weird short race walk map

so we have to release it

now you don't like this map so decline

no? I said if you wanna release bad maps, go right ahead, but I'm still going to say my opinion

don't call it bad map then

great map with big flaws :)

no? I said if you wanna release bad maps, go right ahead, but I'm still going to say my opinion

that dont help to improve the map

But before you decline maybe first tell exactly where u see the problems what he could change and wait for others what they think. If 5 tester say its bad structure map is not good enough and the mapper doenst want to fix or cant fix then I think its okay to decline but not that 1 person decides o:

you dont even go in detail

you just say its bad structure

and decline

thats not helping at all

I already said a shortened version of what's wrong, not gonna waste my time pointing out every tiny flaw

YOU declined this map and reset tangerine

I also said what good structure is about

Ye but not in this case...

you said good structure in generall

but not connected to this map

I dont think they want to attack you, they just want to say that maybe before declining let other ppl look too 😄

I reset tangerine because mapper reposted it as solo, but enough offtopic

Would you now be so nice and tell us where you can see bad structure in this map with specific examples, so we can see your point of view?

if mapper knew what a good structure is he would map it better and you are like "oh hey fix this map so it's batter and send new version"

this map has been in testing for a very long time so I decided to do something with it, and I decided that means a decline in this case

suddenly 10 people jump at me how it's a great map

There were recent changes for it

It wasnt like it was just laying in dc and nobody is doing smth about it

We wouldnt test it if map would be bad af in our opinion. So I dont think its necessary to decline when were testing this a lot

there's nothing stopping you from resetting it now

map good ravie bad, now move on

why do you think in this case it's a waste of time to fix this map

If you just act childish its not helping

there are maps that were changed 38698 times

remapped whole parts

new designs etc

We just want to know where you find the map has a bad structure so we know

Well

reset yesterday and

declined again cause u declined first

. So why can he reset now o:

Just send screen or smth

if you don't understand what bad structure is yourself then you don't understand enough about mapping

We know what you mean with "structure" but not coneccted to this map

or rather "good structure"

honestly I couldn't fix this map based on your tips

idk what's wrong

so wrong you find it unfixable

if you don't understand what bad structure is yourself then you don't understand enough about mapping

but a mapper doesnt have to understand everything about mapping

so u need to help him with it

ppl still don't know/understand basic things, don't blame them

you need to understand structure to be a good mapper

but u dont need to be a good mapper

u can be decent

yes

noone is the best mapper when he starts

everyone improves

true

but just with help

look if you can't make design just use default one noone will force you to draw doodads and stuff

and if you dont tell us

we cant change

or rather the mapper cant change

we can suggest to idk to change bg and wall colors

I already said what is bad tho

👀

???

where?

Show screens

You said random speedup. I only know 1 if you dont hold jump. Show me more

You said bad structure. But this dont help at all if you dont say where it has bad structure

and it dont help if you say : everywhere

everywhere? xd

cause thats not true

Well it is

all speedups are too violent here xd

everywhere? xd

Show us with screen

he will make screen of whole map

he is not helping at all

or not willing to do

Maybe but this post is not helping too if u are passive aggressive he will be the same, so we dont get anywhere

i asked for like 3 times for examples

never get an answer

Same

Just want to know what he is thinking

he said the map doesnt feel comfortable to play

everywhere apparently

examples of the whole maps structure being the same lazy one?

isnt it understandable?

Maybe but for

and me it was comfortable to play except 1-2 parts (for me). So whos right now

ravie

if its uncomfortable for him its likely for others too

sad that Las Qed liked it too

said*

i coulndt find 1 except Ravie

this is bad

weird solo speedups solution

todo: fix random fail spots, change weird speeders, make some parts work smoother, make better design, restructure whole map to be cleaner and feel better, now good luck

but it works 100% and its not random

And in my point of view to say whole structure is bad is exaggerated

in 2020 maps should be better than some randomly placed blocks

thats true

but imo thats not even close the case on this map

here just move it so you fall in unfreeze without that weird speedup

that are examples

you can see in some parts how much thoughts he put into it

you could ignore how structure looks if somehow gameplay is amazing and there are no other issues but this maps gameplay also doesn't blow me away, it's just OK

Well this speedup works 100% too

but yeah yo ucan make a lot parts without this speedups. Maybe he likes speedups o:

speedups are bad because their strenght is very unpredictable

and they are bugged

honestly?

Well theres no problem in removing most of them

that speedup shoots your dummy off when you pull him out

I thought it was a weak arrow just to put you next to your dummy

but it shoots you away and you are like wtf

and you are unfrozen

it throws u in unfreeze

and you are like wtf

you can react but it's still not good to have such surprise

yes

just make it simple, you slide off your dummy slowly

well i can argue against that cause u have plenty of time but as I said I think its easy to change the parts and remove speedups

So n oneed to decline if ppls like this and test this several days

it's mostly stupid when you try to pull dummy out and he goes flying

this arrow is rly strong xd

I think I know now what u mean with bad mapped but if I understand correctly its not that hard to fix

But thats not my job dunno what

is thinking o:

yea

is RIGHT you can touch it by accident with your dummy too

yeah but if u hold hook dummy doesnt fall down so would be no problem but thats what he means with "bad mapped"

please

I hate arguments like "wow just don't jump and you won't fail" "oh just hook left wall and not right wall"

that's not player friendly

+

But its no problem to fix this

99% people hook and JUMP so it's faster

to pull someone out

I know I said its easy to fix so wheres the problem? 😄

just change the part that u bounce on dummy and fall in unfreeze and delete speedup

the problem is that you said "just stay still and drag your dummy on the floor and it works 100%"

yes

I meant that if u jump and hold hook dummy doesnt fall down

even if he goes in speedup

idk too many random unlucky fails happened to me ;f EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE

Yeah just wanted to say what i found out while testing

cries

bad mapped

😄

making structure good enough to match other maps that we release is a lot of work and I don't think we should lower standards for one map

no, just DON'TR JUMP :)))))))))))))

just don't fail

just play good

Well imo map is good enough and you can fix everything we mentioned so far. I assume he put a lot of work in this map so I would be sad if someone just declines this without telling me what I can change.