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Every time.. 🙂‍↔️

to be fair i did most of the design today and just wanted to get it uploaded

Absolutely love the design

time checkpoints placed in a way where they reveal which path someone took

oh btw nade reload is shorter and the nades are slightly faster than normal

so have fun

banger

We are eating good in 6 months

WW

Insane

i not sure but its is fine if u can skip first checkpoint and touch 2 cp? tw code fine with that(ghosting and etc)?

• fixed bg bugs
• added start line in design
• file size smaller

Yeah you can skip CP's no problem

• added whatever you would call this (an info board ig ?)

understandable

• better info symbols
• added "turn off entities" signs
• design fixes
• tweaked parts a little
• reworked a route near the end

Great map, love the gameplay and design, feels well tested imo

oh shit i forgot to fix the cobble texture

done

the editor lied to me, this time it saved properly

Why is this map solo? It's a real race, except for the speedup. It's more of a race than a solo, don't you think?

Race doesnt have some blocks this map has

Besides this difference I dont even see a point in releasing anything as race

yet to see a race map with switches

ah ye i forgot about it cus checked map 5 days ago

for even better design you could put some random details in the brown wall

since its only almost solid brown in entire map

true

E02? xd

https://ddnet.org/maps/E02

its the only one but its also 0*

i mean like a real race that actually gives points

it's race map with switches

gameplay:

• removed the freeze unfreeze thingy near the start
• tweaked the part between timecp 1 and 3

design:

• more things are now under HD
• extended out the ending to hide zoom errors more
• like random holes and stuff in the cobble
• hookables are more visible
• bg tiles are more hidden
• design bug fixes

i added a 256x256 version of the main tileset for really low performance machines, now my old laptop gets 50 fps instead of 20

5 fsp🔥🔥

amazing what trash pcs some people have, like there is nothing demanding on this map

byfox crashed like 10x playing with design

high detail off btw

you are missing unhook tiles behind this, you did them everywhere else

I recommend adding a second door later, I am not sure if you can clip through it, but I am close

invisible block

even if you can its a cool skip and im keeping it

do you posses a graphics card? are you on win 7 with opengl 1?

it also doesnt help that 19.3 broke high detail for quads

and the bg has alot of stuff

sry

This map feels like a 1 minute race map, once you figured out the path. I personally like it, but some parts are a bit unflowy and I'd adjust them

• the start feels a bit awkward with the vent and the double nade, idk if the lineup is perfect

• I'd lower the ceiling on 3.3 seconds, so you can hit the ground and I'd remove the edge where you can clip to the left there

• at 6.1 seconds I am very close to some freeze tiles, hunting this map a bit this is annoying, you are very fast and this is precise, you either hit the freeze or the hook-throughs on the left at 7 seconds

• I'd add a single row of blocks at 10 seconds to the inner part of the recess

• at second 13.0 to 14.0 you can be too fast and clip the edge. Am I supposed to go through the freeze there? It's slower

• at 22 seconds I shoot the ground twice, this place feels a bit too short for passing the above way properly, but you need to pass it in order to open the door

• the vent at 31.5 feels a bit slow (the bottom vent), idk feels a bit weird

• the part at 43.0 seconds feels off, it slows you down a lot, you can't really go to the ceiling and you're close to the freezes if you do

• the gab I need to jump at ~47 is really close, would be better if you lift up the corner behind it so you can't clip so easy

I didn't hit everything in my run properly, but these are the things I'd change in order to improve gameplay and flow for a race map

I'd put this map into the race category more than anything else, first it's a puzzle, then a race

The map contains tiles that are not allowed for race.

ah I see

at 22 seconds is just an issue with how much speed varies there, some people go fast some go slow, ill still try to change it 31.5 is supposed to be used alongside a ground grenade, itll be more than enough then and i didnt quite understand what you meant at 47

other stuff ill change

47: You see I jumped very close over the freeze tile, because I otherwise hit the wall behind it

• fixed missing tiles at spawn
• replaced a tile in the end with a stopper
• fixed help sign being behind HQ tiles
• changed the top route near spawn
• as a result timecp 2 was also changed
• changed hookables near timecp 4
• tweaked the part before timecp 5
• moved the part after timecp 6/7 closer
• tweaked swing before timecp 10
• tweaked the start of the top route after timecp 10

Tested the new version ans the start is much much better

I keep clipping the ceiling here, I'd lower it and suddenly the vent starts to get useful. You can get there with incredible speed

^ this edge kills like most of my tries, my best runs manage not to clip but instead hit the vent, it's really bad

this parts also sucks, you really need that 2-4 extra blocks there

lastly you punish the player if he skips the freeze and you hit the wall. You can go over it, like I did in my previous PB, but this was very precise. You either force the placer to go through the freeze unfreeze part by making it higher or you rework this part

Overall: If you "fix" the 3 latest screenshots I send this map would go up a lot for me in playability

yes but I am too fast, I hit the wall on the right, which is exactly what I am talking about 😄

guess I need to clip a fail

you are too fast and the hole you need to hit is too small. Did you hit the vent in your clip? It gives you extra speed that snowballs

I see your point but if you use a more steep angle for the grenade I think you'll easily make it. ^-^

but steep angles aren't fast

the strat from my first full run is the fastest here nevermind he changed that part, the bottom edge wasn't there before

the fastest line goes as close as possible to the corner

fixed all mentioned also moved unfreeze near end to allow for a better double nade setup

New changes good, would approve ✅

found that one last hookable/unhookable missmatch you need to fix

• design fixes
• adjusted a few places to make it less likely to hit a wall

this version is identical, it just uses new doors from #10514

bad bot

Sowwy :c

reason new doors are separate is cause the current client/server cant process it

Weird thing to mention since the fastest line is the one that works without you crashing into the wall 🤔

when release? :p

Heya, finally went more in depth on this.

Great map and design, however I do have a few suggestions.

1. It's possible to hit the corner after a double at the start. Would be nice to have some more space here.
2. The freeze here is in my opinion placed right where you would shoot the roof to gain downwards momentum. Maybe you could move it a bit? :)
3. More space to entry here?
4. Either hookable or another fan here, otherwise it's not fair. :D
5. Would be nice to make it down here with the fan in my opinion.
6. Suggestion to add a fan here? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
7. The fan here seems pretty useless, perhaps move it to the left.
8. Neither of the ways here work smooth in my opinion. I added some colorful lines as a suggestion for possible change.

9. From my testing this is the fastest way but it's kind of awkward. You could make the block on the right a bit bigger so it's easier to hit a grenade on it. (And move the freeze/unfreeze next to it more to the right if it gets in the way.)
10. Another useless fan. :D And the swing could use more space. (Another drawing for suggestions.)

Should be ready soon. ^^

3. isnt really designed for you to go that way from the right, its instead for if you decide to come from the left
4. top runs already grenade the roof there, adding a fan would make it easier for no real reason
5. is just leftovers from an old version that i didnt bother removing, i might play around with it tho
6. is designed to slow you down so it doesnt beat the other path by a landslide
7. fan is leftovers and the room is that big so that you could double nade when going in

otherwise reasonable changes, will implement

why are you like this discord

Yeah discord has it's own mind..

Maybe close it off then? Not a big fan of just making it awkward to slow you down.

fair

i could rework the part

👍 Cool. If you have any questions just ask. :D

3-5 is not even on the optimal way

7 is bait, I like bait sometimes

Yeah but should still be fair for the non speedrunners.

8. can work smooth if you manage the hook (purple)

9. wtf is that route

I like the puzzle aspect of the map, so extra useless routes don't feel bad imo

2. you want to shoot the roof much earlier

so you argue to make the routes more equal in length/time right?

Not necessarily, but make the slower ones also fun to play.

• fixed hitting the corner at spawn
• moved top freeze at timecp4 further
• added fan near timecp8
• made it easier to go down in the part befoore timecp 9
• reworked ending intersection

I was doing roundabout at 9. during like my entire testing 😅 My pb is only 59s tho

Hey, how well did you test the end? :P The new routes didn't seem very polished to me yet.

1. • First path: Clearly fastest but you have to squeeze through a one tiler? :D
   • Second path: Feels pretty slow with the hook being on the back and the roof just out of reach.
   • Third path: Didn't seem intended/smooth either.
2. I lose almost all speed here doing the zig-zag. Suggestion to cut the second one a bit short so you can keep momentum.
3. Going through the highlighted section I also lose so much speed. I'd lower the marked hook and move the wall on the left a bit closer, would need to test again though to see if it works.
4. Since the path on (2.) would clearly be shorter than on (3.) I suggest to bring back a door/switch here. :D
5. It gets too close here trying to keep a lot of speed for the home (finish) straight. And I added an idea of including the bottom part since it's pretty useless at the moment. ^^
6. This fan.

You can leave it, I'm just making fun of it.

The other changes looked good!

Hope I'm not being to nitpicky. 😅 I'd just like for everything to flow smoothly.

6. I am a fan of this fan

1.1-i wanted to include an option pretty much right at the finish to risk your entire run for a massive speed gain 1.3-the intended route is actually to swing from the end of the 2nd path 5-i tested that part by nading the roof and that seemed to be fine at high speeds 6-

I am also going to test again today

1. I think this cube should move back a little bit if you want to go under. and would be smoother to go on top of it to.
2. should move this thing back with the cube so you can easy go under. maybe add hookables there to so you can hook down

what do you guys think?

bdw I like the map

if you want to make this really spicy, add some hookable at the horizontal part next to the 2 in the image, so you can skip throught the 1 tile freeze gab

gab is obviously the fastest way currently anyway xD

nah cammo this is aweful, I already see what you did there

• made timecp3 swing a little more consistent
• polished ending intersection

I went down on the last bits since rn i think its slower to go up part

can't tell from the vid, I believe the lower route you used at the beginning is slower

Yep.

Here's my run with a bad middle section. 🤷

I still think the other routes at the end don't work very well. And I'm not a fan of switching out the door for a switch freeze at the very end.

no intersection then ?

You can, it's a good idea but you completely change everything during the fixes instead of improving the existing one. 😅

yeah i didnt really have any ideas on how to change the old one without rebuilding the entire thing

I left you suggestions.. :P

i mean i had some issues with it myself

Oh okay.

Some of my old feedback still holds true, from what I've tested now.

1. 1 / 2 / 3 still have the same issues.

Lower route will be the meta trust

I am more at the like 8s of the run because it feels odd

can you send me a screenshot of the main area zoomed out ?

Sure.

ty

• polished intersection
• attempted to make intersecction paths somewhat equal in speed (2s difference -> 0.2s difference)
• removed the faster, risky finish since imo it didnt fit the style of "figuring out the paths yourself"

Way better but how did you test it? I can't make the bottom path.. :P

i did the part like 20-30 times in a row

thats usually how i test stuff

Can you show me how? I did not get it a single time with speed.

idk how you tested it but i hit it every time

Ohh you slam the wall.

i thought about freeze and unfreeze there but i removed it cause i thought it was not needed

i can add it back tho to indicate u need to hit a wall

• moved single wall a tile to the right as requested by catseye

Waiting for some small gameplay and design improvements. :)

Map looks cool

try to search on google for design inspiration all of it is ai and incomprehensible

limit time before 2023

AI companies should implement sth to make these photos easily identifiable with some invisible watermark

they are easily identifiable

do you understand anything going on here

bro ikr this shit pisses me off so much

same with pinterest or other platfroms like that

the images tab in google kept showing me devianart stuff

design changes:

• various fixes
• hanging signs
• pipes in walls
• barrels and carts
• spawn animation

gameplay changes:

• more intersection polishing
• made fan near timecp9 stronger
• timecp1 bottom route has fan on the roof

there some windows and balcony, something like stores, trees and a tower ahead

btw I like the design

Best change the

new ending sucks, it's way to precise

the fastes line is way too obvious

bottom here is useless

why are the signs transparent? I find this annoying tbh

destroy this man's WR

this is not optimized or anything, but the bot will take the same path

no point to destroy wr on unfinished map tbh

i liked map only this look useless. why its not redy?

also i agree with that

maybe do it shorter

Will you try once more to optimize the ending?

i know the first bottom route needs work, what about the top one ?

The top ones are fine.

Any update?

working on this and #deleted-channel are like my lowest priority rn, ive got other stuff that need doing

the long awaited intersection rework

damn you quads

Credits not readable

Here we go again.

credits sux, i wanna rework them anyway

Idk what happend rrly but xd

zoom sucks for cool paralax effects, im waiting for animation tiles

Xdxd

As already pointed out in game two minor gameplay changes to the ending would probably be nice.

1. Move the hookable up a bit here.
2. Extend the hookable onto the platform and ensure that you don't hit one of the bottom corners while using it.
3. Couldn't you get rid of 4 layers by adjusting the color envelope?
4. This quad looks useless.
5. You might already be aware but the tiles don't really line up. Looks much worse on low detail.
6. Same with the pipes.
7. I can see an edge here, you should decrease the Tex U probably by just 1 on the right side. (Group2 < steampunk2)
8. Same with the upper gear on the logo. (Bottom (left) corner)
9. You have one hd image inside the LQ group just for the unfreeze stars? :D

Also a few unused layers but the bot should probably take care of those. ^^

9. is cause a downscaled symbol looked really bad and because of transparency effects i could only choose one to display

• intersection area tweaks
• new credits
• new start animation
• visual fixes

i mightve forgotten some people in credits, ping me if you feel like you deserve to be there

i didnt like the filesize

Optimized version attached,

. Changelog:

Gameplay seems good now.

What about 3.?

im too stupid to figure that out rn

I can give it a go. :D

sure go ahead

Oh, I thought it was a cycle of two yesterday. My bad.. :P

all good

Low detail tiles still look a bit janky, did you try to adjust them? Also why don't you use the 'bgHD' for low detail as well? Do the colours not fit that well there? :D

nope havent touched LD tiles yet

and i included bgHD because normally it should get covered by all the buildings n stuff and not look bright, if i had only included that then the design wouldve looked bad

the low detail mode bg aims to replicate the darkness you get from the buildings

Okay. ^^

low detail tiles just be like that apparently both sides are only one pixel wide but look fucked up ingame, nothing i can do about that

did delete some useless stuff from the low detail tileset

nevermind im just stupid, also changed this corner at spawn

1. You only fixed the hookables in low detail not the unhook. ^^
2. Also low detail if you want to make the effort you could have the hookthrough look a bit better (symmetrical).
3. There are no indicators to the 'wind' in low detail which plays pretty bad. I suggest to use something like this. Also you might want to get rid of the fan animation for low detail as well, doesn't make sense in my opinion.
4. It would be cool to have some more doors in the map since you only used them twice close to the start.
5. You could put time cps that are placed like this on the same number and then distribute some more of them throughout the map.

i like 5 because it reveals which route the player took by having different timecps on each

I see.

• placed more timecps
• lq fan wind
• lq tileset improvements
• intersection has doors

new banger whitepine song dropped so i added it in

how is the file size with extra stuff lower than before? xd

i performed magic

the filesize must shrink

forgot to consult the filesize wizards

At this point they are sages

Discussing map together with mapper. :)

discussing more map with tester

I, uh, played around a bit.

Missing design but if you are interested here is what I came up with. ^^

looks good but ill have to play it myself

Of course. :D We just didn't get to finish last time. They are pretty similar length wise now as well (if I didn't have skill issue).

i like the changes, made a few tiny adjustments to open up the parts more, ty

• design bugs (ty PapotaV!)
• decided to replace some walls with decorative grates
• added true winner room

ngl looks weird not with flow of the map

the compression must continue

below 500 kb when?

Optimized version:

Well the bad thing about uploading an already optimized version is that you won't be able to see the magic here.

i am the one who magics

okay do i have to get it to 500kb for release

https://tenor.com/view/kenjou-cat-500x-yes-gif-5994466347833698929

400kb and deen will send handwritten letter thanking u for saving ddnet harddrives

we need more deen letters

ez

$release

This command was not found.

$decline

This command was not found.

im looking at pixels lol

this is the price you have to pay for 330kb

heres a graph just cause i can

images too big delete them

tyy

with what did u make the graph

im curious

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/1411412746456666242

oh shi

i uploaded my map change in ur channel lmao

i hope rls before 2026

before gta6

preferably before i die of old age

by the time this releases whitepine 15 would be out and the file size would be back to 1mb

(ignore this)

mustve been the wind

map is redy for me

yall eating good in 7 months

*7 years

Would any of the testers take a look at this

I would but i cant play race

hi

I'm not sure if u really need to compress grenadeMain that much cuz it just looks horrible IMO, freeze in grenadeLQ also is looking bad as hell, like in situation on screenshot, everything is smooth-looking and then there is this ugly thing

Isn't it ready besides that huh?

why it's staying still

cammodude is a compression freak

There is literally nothing to test anymore, I don't like this type of map tho being in solo, cuz it's race map and that's what it is. Just for using not only race tiles it makes it solo :/

the filesize must shrink

whos gonna play zoomed in like that and standing still

It's not about who is gonna care about, it's just about it being balanced between compressed and good looking tiles

the file size must rise!

It's not an issue anyways and no one will support me in my views, because almost all testers consider this an unimportant part, so nevermind I guess? Just saying what i think about it all

Anyways, are u working on this map or that's it?

thats it

its good looking for when youre going mach 5 down a tunnel

But your map is not excluding the slow way also, as u said this map is all about choosing ur own way of completing it

most are gonna be going fast

and this map along with the design is for that majority

It's not what we should argue about, this is a beautiful and unusual map, and everyone agrees with that

i mean if i kept everything at max resolution the map would be 3-4mb

As I said, I'm only argue about balancing it between, not against compression at all, of course it's not a good decision to make it max resolution, and I wasn't saying about it a word, cuz It's bad for the filesize

Yeah, so tested it twice, there is no any major design bugs, gameplay is simple and speedrunning it feels fun imo, this map in testing is ~6 months and already like every tester touched it atleast once, so Ig it's pretty much ready, so I'm gonna put 1st ready

Redline release in the first half of 2026 O:

I agree with u here... its not something i'd hard force for this map but maybe we should set guidelines/rules on pixels-to-world limits for future maps

i.e. stick to 64 pixels per tile in-game

it looks a little out-of-place in this map because the doodads are 32-pixels-per-tile, so its more pixelated than vanilla tw assets (and you can still tell when not going fast e.g. when you first load into spawn)

the 512x512 tilesets look completely fine imo

so id say 32 pixels

im on a 2880x1800 screen and i can definitely tell the difference in resolution, so can wee (idk wee setup tho)

besides we shouldnt judge this on a subjective matter but rather base it off of vanilla teeworlds assets i think

those tilesets are 1024x1024

im on regular 1920x1080

Optimized:

unoptimized version is equal to the optimized one

i meaaan you were a bit off

I'm ready for a good meal 🧐

Been kind of too busy for testing since I suggested the last changes here but here go now I guess.

your meal is ready

thanks mom

noooo i missed the meal while it was still hot i guess i'll mircowave it tomorrow