#Rootline
"Rootline" by kkzemo [Moderate]
DDNet 08/30/2025 7:02 PM

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@piska_siska_popka
DDNet 08/30/2025 7:02 PM
DDNet 08/30/2025 7:02 PM

Map 🐞:

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 7:31 PM

"Rootline" by kkzemo [Moderate]

.cammo. 08/30/2025 7:43 PM

you dont have to put that every time

.cammo. 08/30/2025 7:44 PM

just include a message saying what you changed

.cammo. 08/30/2025 7:44 PM

like this

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 7:48 PM

got it, sorry

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 7:55 PM

i dont understand what I should do now should i just wait?

blaiszephyr 08/30/2025 8:13 PM

pretty much, us testers or other people will take a look at it and give feedback and usually decide if we want to continue working on/with it ^^

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 8:14 PM

okay, thanks

manikoo 08/30/2025 8:17 PM

i don't think those images are great here, they eat whole 1mb

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 8:18 PM

I'll clean it up fine

manikoo 08/30/2025 8:18 PM

the best one you can do and it will be nice is pixel art

manikoo 08/30/2025 8:19 PM

(i'm saying it cuz testers 100% will target the map file size)

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 8:22 PM

I fixed it, but I didn't understand how to upload the file again?

manikoo 08/30/2025 8:25 PM

cammo sent example, simple write some changes you have done and upload map file

manikoo 08/30/2025 8:26 PM

no need to type map name and mapper nickname

manikoo 08/30/2025 8:26 PM

just changelog and file

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 8:26 PM

Ahhh well thank you

piska_siska_popka 08/30/2025 8:28 PM

-added Time cps
-reduced the weight of the map

ililja 08/31/2025 6:18 AM

Hey i like the design even though its missing sometimes, i think you don't have a great understanding of the difficultys since your map seems more like a brutal than a moderate but its a good first map keep up the good work

  1. Noobfilter too long the rocket is a bit clunky with the swing and don't shield spam
  2. a forced aled should not be in a moderate
  3. dunno if this part is possible (if it is its not moderate). make it easier by making it all Hookthrough and removing a bit of tp
  4. remove one tile since its quite annoying to get him under and add more hookthrough 5+6. this is not a moderate hh you should make the gaps bigger the flight needs just a bit more space
  5. this part is repetitive maybe reduce it down to 2 of these pillars instead of 4
  6. this solo is way too easy compared to the rest of the map and don't shield spam again, also don't take weapons away after one part
  7. too faily fly that is impossible without pseudo and pseudo like aled shouldn't be forced on moderate
  8. same with down aled it also shouldn't be forced in a moderate i ran out of space :c
manikoo 08/31/2025 6:25 AM

lol it's mini map and it perfectly fits 5*

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:25 AM

your takes are pointless

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

noobfilfer can be any lenght

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

aled is fine on a moderate?

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

it shouldnt be too long

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

it's start

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

no

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

theres multiple

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

pseudo is forced

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

hammerhit is too tight

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

why pseudo

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

its not moderate

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

it's 5* moderate

ililja 08/31/2025 6:26 AM

it isnt

ililja 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

its 1-2* brutal cus of length

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

are you tester or who to say that map is bad

ililja 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

im not saying its bad

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

mini map

ililja 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

and testers encourage ppl to test

ililja 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

moron

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

not brutal 1* level

ililja 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

i legit said 1-2*

ililja 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

pmfg

ililja 08/31/2025 6:27 AM

omfg

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:28 AM

lol look at other 1* brutals

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:28 AM

they are harder

ililja 08/31/2025 6:28 AM

yes i have seen some 1* brutals that are hard but they are mostly old

ililja 08/31/2025 6:28 AM

new brutal 1* are not this hard

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:28 AM

there are 5* moderate that are much harder than this one

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

old

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

the rating system sucks

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

dont wanna make it any worse

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

who cares new/old

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

rules are same

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

no?

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

back then any map would pass

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

now

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

its more accurate

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

ppl know the difficulty better

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

and old map are better you know

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

?

ililja 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

no

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:29 AM

yes

ililja 08/31/2025 6:30 AM

some are good

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:30 AM

not some

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:30 AM

all

ililja 08/31/2025 6:30 AM

0/10 ragebait

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:30 AM

man you are saying about aleds on moderate map

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:31 AM

and then that new rating is better

ililja 08/31/2025 6:31 AM

not even strong 4 has forced aleds

ililja 08/31/2025 6:31 AM

or simple down

ililja 08/31/2025 6:31 AM

and a moderate should?

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:31 AM

not should, it can

ililja 08/31/2025 6:31 AM

no?

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:31 AM

why

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:32 AM

find a rule

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:32 AM

please

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:32 AM

"no forced aleds on moderate maps"

ililja 08/31/2025 6:32 AM

its not a rule

ililja 08/31/2025 6:32 AM

its common knowledge

ililja 08/31/2025 6:33 AM

no map under brutal 3* has forced aled

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:33 AM

it not changes something

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:33 AM

this one will be first then

ililja 08/31/2025 6:33 AM

sure it doesnt it just tells me your a moron who doesnt have common knowledge

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:34 AM

using insults

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:34 AM

you are better than me maybe

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:35 AM

all takes about hammerhit/fly are pointless cuz it's a simple hammerfly everywhere

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:36 AM

and i think testers know better than both of us sure

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:36 AM

just wait for them

ililja 08/31/2025 6:36 AM
  1. hh is too long without anything interesting happening
  2. good part but i think you should maybe also make it passable without speedfly with a swing maybe
  3. solo sucks the kog part is too hard remove some tele, too many edge jumps in a row
  4. up aled shouldnt be forced and pseudo aswell gl with your map
ililja 08/31/2025 6:37 AM

its not simple hammer fly its psuedo

ililja 08/31/2025 6:37 AM

same with hh

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:37 AM

why?

ililja 08/31/2025 6:37 AM

look at last part

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:37 AM

it's hammerfly on first screenshot

ililja 08/31/2025 6:37 AM

its not possible with "simpla hammerfly"

ililja 08/31/2025 6:38 AM

its both

ililja 08/31/2025 6:38 AM

and most ppl will hammer hit this

ililja 08/31/2025 6:38 AM

and dummy players will fly

ililja 08/31/2025 6:38 AM

doesnt matter which its still boring and too long

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

i bet 90% of players will fall there

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

it's normal part

ililja 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

where?

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

fly

ililja 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

should i read your mind to know which part

ililja 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

theres multiple

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

we are talking about one

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:39 AM

first screenshot

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:40 AM

here

ililja 08/31/2025 6:41 AM

its not specifically a fly and its also still boring it doesnt change that fact tha ppl will fall

ililja 08/31/2025 6:41 AM

it just proves that this isnt a moderate

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:42 AM

the point of parts is to make player fail

ililja 08/31/2025 6:42 AM

but it makes too many fail so its not moderate

ililja 08/31/2025 6:42 AM

simple as that

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:42 AM

it's ideal match for 5* moderate

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:42 AM

you have played the game at all?

ililja 08/31/2025 6:43 AM

moderate should be a step up from novice not a mountain

ililja 08/31/2025 6:43 AM

i have

ililja 08/31/2025 6:43 AM

duh

ililja 08/31/2025 6:43 AM

i played this map

ililja 08/31/2025 6:43 AM

and you didnt

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:43 AM

why i didn't

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:43 AM
ililja 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

well even if you played this map and still tought "hmm aled good for moderate" you dont have any idea of testing

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

but it's the end of step - 5*

ililja 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

then it should be a stair

ililja 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

not a mountain

ililja 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

aleds are considered one of the hardest mechanics

ililja 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

same with pseudo

ililja 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

forcing them on a moderate

ililja 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

is not right

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:44 AM

only 2 aleds on map

ililja 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

4

ililja 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

but sure

ililja 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

nvm 3

ililja 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

sry

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

first at start second is not failable because down aled with arrows

ililja 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

its failable tf you mean

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

no

ililja 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

most ppl cant aled on moderate

ililja 08/31/2025 6:45 AM

i could only aled after i started playing brutal

ililja 08/31/2025 6:46 AM

its not something that shoud be in moderate especially on 3 times

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:46 AM

most ppl is not you

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:46 AM

map is small

ililja 08/31/2025 6:46 AM

i can tell you a person that plays moderate maps cant aled

ililja 08/31/2025 6:46 AM

doesnt matter its still not moderate

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

if map is small it can contain hard parts

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

if it's so long it's should have easier ones

ililja 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

but not 3 aleds

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

simple logic man

ililja 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

simple logic also says that here shouldnt be 3 aleds

ililja 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

and 2 parts where you need to pseudp

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

i do no recognize that down aled as aled

ililja 08/31/2025 6:47 AM

its not for moderatesw

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

you have arrows

ililja 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

aled is aled

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

no pseudo

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

only hammerfly

ililja 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

no=

ililja 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

?

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

ok i understand that there is no i want to talk with you more

ililja 08/31/2025 6:48 AM

you need to pseudo

manikoo 08/31/2025 6:49 AM

wait for testers

ililja 08/31/2025 6:49 AM

sure

stormphonix4220 08/31/2025 7:00 AM

Yes, a moderate shouldnt contain aled

ililja 08/31/2025 7:02 AM

yippe

vena6080 08/31/2025 11:37 AM

Ililja mentionned the biggest problem, you should test more your map, try to give a better flow, make it more balance and with a betetr space and structure (example, fly are too tight : not cool to play, no flow, unbanced...)

DDNet 08/31/2025 11:37 AM

Mention:

@piska_siska_popka
piska_siska_popka 08/31/2025 11:46 AM

It's probably too late to send it, but I wanted to say that I've completely redesigned the map. I think it's now exactly what you intended to convey. Is this how you envisioned it? I've fixed everything as you suggested

piska_siska_popka 08/31/2025 11:58 AM

Oh, I forgot to put the antifreeze

vena6080 08/31/2025 12:00 PM

just checked, but it's more a global problem, parts are still repetitive, it's more balance but still have some part like hh into fly failly in a moderate map (and not close to be brutal)

vena6080 08/31/2025 12:01 PM

there is not rly main parts, it's mostly some basic filler and the map is not rly big, but still have a big noobfilter

vena6080 08/31/2025 12:01 PM

maybe try to recreate another map because with this base it wont help

piska_siska_popka 08/31/2025 12:03 PM

This was my first experience, and I am very grateful for all the feedback you have provided. Thanks to you, I have learned a lot and have tried to incorporate your suggestions into the redesign of the map. Thank you for your patience and attention to detail, as I continue to learn and strive to create better maps<3

blaiszephyr 08/31/2025 12:15 PM

a small note

@piska_siska_popka

checking off everything in the

thread while some things are just.. not really true is meh, please dont do that ^^

blaiszephyr 08/31/2025 12:15 PM

good luck on your next map!

piska_siska_popka 08/31/2025 12:16 PM

Okay, sorry, I just didn't understand what it was

blaiszephyr 08/31/2025 12:16 PM

thats okay, you're free to actually ignore that, its more for Testers or people who evaluate the maps in general

piska_siska_popka 08/31/2025 12:17 PM

Okay, I won't touch it next time

ililja 08/31/2025 2:29 PM

an option is to make the map longer so it would be a brutal but its up to you if you wanna just create a new map thats fine aswell