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let me see if i can transfer ownership

that should work, idk why the bot is a bully

when i did my first map and upload here u said that bot missed my map

;c

1.53mb

XD

No optimizing before a gameplay test, this is an order

but.. unused images

No optimizing!

should i just wait?

also play the map yourself, and fix things that you may find yourself until a tester wakes up

Approximately this year, sometime

i did it

maybe i forgot to delete some files

as cammodude said i forgot to delete unuses images

i checked

every picture is used

blue ones arent used

show me

omg i thought melon made map

dont scare me like that next time

to be honest

insta $decline

but we will see what testers say

XD

this part is skippable

these aleds arent any fun

how this supposed to be played? couldnt get any normal throw

and watafak is this part bro

no undeep, and very not fun part to play

then u just can take jetpack and skip the whole map

hope i was helpful

fixed

• fixed part skip

• fixed jetpack skip

• undeep added

a design bug has been fixed

the last point was slightly simplified

overall i dont like the way you added difficulty, just by making the throws tight adding hard mechanics and stuff, try to first map your idea to be fun then try to keep the fun while adding difficulty

Hey try optimize your map. 1.5mb is too much.

• delete unused images
• try going through your map and see if your images is a high filesize and try make them smaller with some website tools.

nope not allowed, melon prohibits

MELON!!

Oh ok :0

Optimized the map

1.57MB-> 1.04 MB

I would start like this, because throwing the tee to > is easy, but giving dj and trying to climb up to revive the tee is difficult, or you can put unfreeze on the other side, it

unfreezing would be better

This part here is too small for two players, and if it's t0, it's even worse.

Using 3 jumps for just one part is kind of bad. Besides, you can just do an upward throw and keep hooking the

possible pass solo

I thought it was a bit generic.

poor spacing

That's all I found on the map, good luck!

Whether you put a platform or not, making it difficult to get out just makes it more annoying.

• Remake
• Part 1 was simplified
• More space was added for the part with hh
• Skip part was removed (gameplay of the part was slightly changed)
• Non-generic part was rebuilt
• "part with platform" was slightly simplified

now its ok? how do u think

I'll see and let you know

All parts that are drag use only 1/2/3 hooks, which is kind of bad. If you want a good part, make that part have several movements, hammer, go to the right,

i would wait for any tester to actually check this map

until this, go through check list and solve problems, but don't check youself

uh

In addition, it has some very small parts, it seems that this map was designed only to pass the pseudo, and not to make a common hammer fly or hammer hit.

I haven't seen any testers for a few months, except for Louis.

very small space (why do you use switches as a way to mark the teleport?) it would be good to have a teleport so you can go back

This part focuses on hook, walk to the right, hook, walk to the right.

another part where you only use the weapon once

the image doesn't need to be that big

that weighs down the map

the map has a lot aleds unnecessary

why should i make [Brutal] map easier?

there are 1-2 skips that are on any brutal map

right?

there should not be skips on map

but on new brutal maps there are a lot of skip :0

read rules to understand better

Because skips are not intentional, every brutal map has a skip. Why don't they consider the possibility of a skip? If there is a skip, then why bother with the normal part?

if its a skip it should be mini

do this one skip is so risked

not every haha

its always better to have no skips on your map at all

Do whatever you want, but that part doesn't even work.

so

always allow skipping when skipping is fun

i have to delete skip right?

nah

dont need to make map easier

its brutal

there shouldn't be pikes of difficulty on your map

its same across all lenght or its going up from start to end

I think you should improve some parts. There are parts where you literally just walk to the right and hooka once or twice.

There are no parts on the map that are more difficult than others, you can of course mark the one where there are 3 jumps, but this is necessary for the solo part

and increase the tunnel spaces, and remove some aleds and add some parts in their place, or something like that.

ok!

The problem with the 3 jump (and weapons) is that you only use it once. If you made more parts where you use it more often, it would be useful.

Why do you think the part with the weapon is bad, it's not used much, but the part where it is was designed to be used specifically for weapons. There are no other places with weapons on the map except that location

Why do you only use it once, and badly at that? When you pick up a rocket, you only use it to get to the other side.

Why not, this is a challenge that requires visual skills weapons

It's because you only use the rocket ONCE, that's the problem. Why don't you create several rocket parts to make the rocket worthwhile? Besides, you can only pass with a jetpack.

and I thought the spacing for the throw was very poor

I didn't see a rule that forbids using another weapon only once. I'll rebuild the other parts

Okay, that's your prerogative, but I think it's bad, and I've already been warned about it.

why stopper?

I would move two-thirds of the tiles to the left to make it easier to hook the tee

there are laser part

but if I can't knock down the tee with a laser, then I don't have a laser

and I thought the laser part was kind of bad

Place the laser teleport where the laser part is located.

edge 😄

ok

i check whole map

make a LOT OF part more easy, make more space and less aleds, remake skip part at all

😄

oh

and make fly more easy

In short, I listened to all your comments except for the ones you said about weapons.

so

there are any problems rn?

weapons

🤣

I'll check the map and let you know.

what

i think

weapons part is good

idk why u dont like it

i played a lot of map where weapons uses once a part

but you should not do it like that

at least for 2-3 parts

but not 1

jetpack use to take rocket

rocket use to go throw freez twice

then laser use to unfreez after freez wall

This part is kind of random, it's literally < fly, aled, <

very random

i can do it from 1 try :/

its so easy

Furthermore, the form he uses is somewhat generic.

fr

I said random, not that it's difficult.

its not good for your map

random spike of difficulty

it is bad?

oh

yes

ok

just make it easier?

bro, no

huh

you have to play this game more

and get experience

read rules few times

now you just don't understand why we say "its bad"

You can do something like this, not just hammerhit, make the part have a purpose to do.

yeah! it's the best alternative for aled

too

double aled 💀

jk

i check rules

theres no anything about brutals or random gameplay

but ok

i will change part

see, if player wants harder route, he does double aled

there is

'-'

mapping rules

theres no!

https://ddnet.org/mapping/guidelines/

read this

i changed this one

first there are fly, then aleds, then throw

its better now? :c

I don't think you should use fly in tunnels like this. Fly is usually used when you need to fly over something, so you can just do hammer hits and throws.

Furthermore, if you only use freeze as a form of part, it's horrible.

It's only good in some parts, but in your case, it's just pillars of freezes.

you need to use fly to reach the wall

OK!

I WILL CHANGE

should i just delete some freez or do this part to use fly more

?

so that all these aleds 🙁

look new map that i sent

there are only 2 aled

Think about it this way: people will do a simple hammer hit, right? You can make a part where you only use the hammer hit, and don't have to do any flying or anything like that, so they'll see a place where there's no floor, and then they'll think, “Wow, maybe I should fly.”

ok!

just make spikes everywhere 😄

joke

send the correct version

1 sec

ure so strict

i like it

If it were a tester, they would have seen your map and immediately rejected it, told you what was wrong, and that would have been the end of it.

so

What's wrong with the map now?

There are a lot of LEDs on this map. The problem isn't that obvious, but rather that there are too many LEDs, some of which are unnecessary (of course, I only took a screenshot of the LEDs, and there are some good ones, like the one in the first screenshot).

very little space to throw

skip

um i know its harder way to do part

i hate this hooks

there are also 2 way to do part 1- go down 2-throw left

will be fixed

Yes, and if I want to throw, the space is too small, besides, for many people, this spawn is noisy.

there are enough place to throw

its ok

should i make more place or no

it fr so easy

also there are aled cuz there are 2 ways to do part, and theyre same difficult as for me

I mean it doesn't matter if you go down or up, they are equally difficult.

The problem is when there are several teams (in HH maps there are always more players) with 10 to 12 players in that small space, everyone will kill each other.

ok

Now!

i deleted a lot of aleds or make gameplay easier

and make more space to throw

what next 😄

1. When I say to increase the space, I don't just mean increasing it sideways; the place needs to be comfortable, where I can move freely.

2. meh part

3. climb the 2 hooktroughs and unfreeze

4.5. 1 hook part

6. If the bottom tee is weak, should it reset so it can knock down the tee? You could push the freeze to the left so the bottom tee can knock it down. Besides, that part is kind of meh.

It would be nice if you could move that part of the edge to the side.

wdym 2. meh part

The two of them only use a hook to pass the part.

and 3. can i show u on test server how to do part?

If you send a video, it would be more feasible.

sec

Ahh, 1 hook part ;-;

6. even if tee with weak hook he can hammer tee from the bottom

it was harder! but u said to make platform easier because its annoyng

That may be true, but it's very precise and the part is still bad.

ok i will remake

4, 5 not 1 hook part

hook and hammer

😄

It would be possible to do it without a platform, but besides being uncomfortable to do the throw there, the part is still bad. The issue is not having less hook and the part being more faily, but rather being fun. If there is more hook, there is more movement, thus making the part fun.

1 hook, 1 hook and hammer

ok sec

OK

NOW

Haven't you run away from me yet?)

I didn't find it amusing

Is this the last part you're unhappy with?

Not much to do, I froze twice and had to wait for the freeze to end, very small space.

I await your verdict.

Even if you fixed this map 20 times, I don't think it would be releasable. The structure and layout are very strange. I'll leave it to the testers.

Hi, thank you for your first submission but the map is going to be a decline. Spacing is bad for a hh map in multiple places. Weapons and powers used only single time. And there are no interesting or unique parts. Instead of putting together sections very similar to those from other maps, coming up with original and unique parts will have higher chance of release. We're looking forward to your future submission.

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