https://ddnet.tw/testmaps/?map=Unbalanced2

Smelling 99% skip

little fixes

ty Rico and OnePiece for the test

little fixes

good map, very creative and much teamwork. could only see 2 things which he can fix but i told him already. Didnt do a real test yet but this map should have been a tournament^^

ty Konsti for the test fixed some skips

oops, one more little fix)

-fixed some tile bugs -added speedups -fixed CPs and stoppers

ty Sorah for the test

-fixed tile bugs -fixed some design bugs

fixed switchers, added sv_team for 2ppl

huge thanks Cøke for the test Changes:

• many marks fixed;
• several changes in the gameplay in some parts;
• added timers in parts where teamplay is needed;

First of all, nice map! It has some good ideas, so I testet it again with Coke. We find in almost every part something that is a bit annoying :D. So here are my suggestions:

first some missing marks or wrong freeze

here 1 has to do the whole part and the other one does nothing, maybe add a further part where i marked

same here, 1 has to do all and the other one just watching

i would add tele left + you can just hammer partner and dont need sg, I dont know if this is wanted

I would make this unfaily, if you miss hammer there and get in freeze is just an annoying fail

the beginning is already hard and then you have to do 2 hooks. If you race the map for the first time you are happy about doing first part and then you will fail this, its demotivating because you cant know you have to hook twice there, imo i would change that

i would delete cp there, its not needed until there you just need 2 simple hooks so i dont see why there is cp

i dont know your idea behind this part you can skip that you loose your hammer in multiple ways. I think you want that people will lose hammer there so i would change it (but we didnt actually figure out what part is for or the idea behind it tbh)

you dont need nade there its possible without

you often hit the block there which is kind of annoying, idk if you can change it so you wont

the idea is good, but after the partner fails planty of times it will get just annoying, so i would add cp there and add a platform so you dont have to do the nade part like 1000 times if your partner dont get the part

i would delete this cp too its not that hard that you need one there

i dont know the idea behind this part but you can just swing and do a normal hook there which isnt that hard I think you should do smth else there but maybe its wanted

maybe add 1more ht here so its not that hard to hit the hook, imo it make the part way less annoying and more fun

i would add a platform there so its more comfortable to hook and it doesnt change the gameplay

is this platform a must? i would delete it, its annoying if you dont hit hammer right you always have to hook him out

This part dont work well, I dont know how excactly how to change it but now you dont have enough speed if you stay on laser to get to the middle in the same time as your partner. Atm imo this part is very very annoying hard and depressing.

Here again the beginning of the part is hard enough. Here the hook is not long enough so you have to drop but then it can happen that your partner drops at the bottom in the tele. So i would make the wall more to the right or add some blocks so you can hook from the platform

Should this be soloable?

You can skip the part if tee waits above for the other one if both get cp left

Sometimes you dont get low enough and get against wall even if you do part right, I dont know if you want to change it but imo i would do the wall a bit higher

This part is annoying, to make it less annoying i would add stopper insteaad of ht where i marked it so the partner mooves faster.

I would add tele there too, its just a potential fail there when freeze stays

You first took black for unsolo and white for solo, after that you used black for solo and white for unsolo choose one of it

Thats all, the map is quite nice but make it a bit less annoying 👍

You mixed up the mark here. The right mark is correct (dj-refiller) mark them like this in the middle too. For the walljump you have to chosse an other mark then.

Thanks guys for the test I fixed everything except the part in the fifth screenshot, cuz don't know what to add there)

oops, missed some hook blocks

i dont know idea behind this part but its still a simple hook

you can still cheat hammer here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725364076716359781/737064354620506263/1hastodoall.jpg this somehow needs to be changed otherwise its very unbalanced

maybe add at the top right another part so the tee that now does nothing do the part from the tee who now do all

i did not test it yet but this seems a bit tight

maybe a bit more space to the left

Sooo guys? any other bugs or something?🙂

there are some more corner bugs like this, check map again 😄

impossible part

ty for the test fixed everything

The sg you added at the undoable part is pretty easy to abuse with checkpoints

and u can even keep them for a while(skip next shields with cp too)

at the second screenshot u can even save the rocketfly rocket with cp 54 tp

ty guys, everything was fixed

last part also easier 🆙

fixed last part skip

$ready 4

nice try tho

Maybe you should start trying

fixed finish line and couple tile bugs

ty DarkOort for the test -fixed gameplay of some parts -added more tp on some parts

?:)

ill ask soapy tonight if we can run through and test your map

it's a really long map so grab some energy drinks

Ok interesting map, had some cool fun parts but I would say the map feels rather unbalanced. Sadly calling a map unbalanced doesn't make it ok for it to be unbalanced XD Parts seemed to range from moderate 3 star to Brutal 5 star (Maybe one part was Insane or we did it wrong) The map is good though as it contains quite a few interesting ideas.

What is the point of this? Can't it just be removed?

Didn't really check design, wanted to test gameplay first but did notice that your markings are in two different layers which give them slightly different colours. Would be better with them all the same.

Shield not needed here

Maybe mark which way players should fall here so they don't have to spec the whole tunnel to know?

Move cp 13 so you only get it when going out

Can move this switch, there is no reason to delay top player. Rather let him go through and practice the next part.

Here I would prefer platforms where you can afk, it is annoying to constantly have to jump everytime your partner fails the part.

Also add switch 6 to the lower area too

This part felt way too faily and annoying. Jumping up from cp 34 was dull after every failed attempt. It would be fine if you added checkpoint and more tele though.

Either we did this wrong or this part was way too hard XD

Adding solo here will help prevent people taking dummy the wrong way. Was a bit confusing without specing first.

Also remove tele 18 in above image it isn't needed at all

This part doesn't say whether both need laser or not. I found it weird you said for shotgun but not for here.

Remove switches from the teleport and place them on the tele to. Also if you make them timer switches with one second you shouldnt need red switchs. Also if you add hookthrough on right you prevent an annoying fail (could do another dragger instead)

This isn't required but adding hook tele here and maybe moving cp 38 a bit left would make this part alot nicer to retry after fail.

Not sure if we did this part right but I think you should remove these 3 teles they stop you from getting a nice consistent swing making the part alot harder to predict for your partner

I assume this is a skip?

Moving the door here made it much nicer to use for timing. When it is so close to the block it's really hard to hold against it. Not holding against it made the part way more unpredictable.

Remove the back, it doesn't really help save at all. Also remove the stopper and maybe add more blocks and stopper like i have in blue

Rocket fly here was too long dull and easy for the map. Rather remove or replace it i think.

This hookthrough isn't really needed, it just made me a bit confused but you can keep it if you like it XD

If you place the switches like this you don't have to wait as long for the draggers

So, first of all huge thanks

and

for the test. I fixed almost all the bugs in the screenshots, except for screenshots 10 and 14.

freeze corner can be flat so it aligns with the cp linet hing

also the CP text could have some opacity

again some corner stuff here, the midground doenst need to be there but the freeze should fill in the gap

its across the whole map so maybe fix those

cto can be one to the left so u dont have to press "a" when u tele back, u can just hook straight away (make sure its like this for the whole map)

u can edge here and its kinda awkward, i suggest fixing it by putting one tele block to the right

down here

and making the floor below the edged tee just tele all the way down

why is teles in the freeze? is it needed

i dont rly like the third part

the two solos make it really boring

and the big swing sometimes doesnt work, u have to hook the right of the 1-block-hookable for it to be consistent

and you just wait holding hook for 2 minutes while ur friend does the solo or fails it

This map is also unbalanced two

I have no desire to fix bugs and wait a million years for another test

decline please

Too bad, I invested a lot of time here and found the map quite good

ok i'll make one more fix right now. Hope the testers will be more active

can someone explain, why this triki didn't work on DDNet test servers?

fixed every corner of the freeze with bugs, fixed the third part and the drag after it

deepfly is disabled

added sv_deepfly 1

so?

This map is very large, you have to allow a lot of time for a test. Since there were problems in the past, I have to test the whole map again and again.

I tested the entire map once again, fixed many design bugs, as well as some with gameplay. Changed the background color and added some decorations.

I will double check whole map after Christmas days

map looks good but there are a few things that I find technically annoying (1 tilers etc)

one more hookthrough here?

i think it's weird how you have to fall from here (slowing down fall) to make the swing, it seems unrefined, maybe just lower the whole thing a bit and not make a platform so high up

in my opinion having to get laser this way is pretty annoying and doesn't speak for clever modern map design, you don't have to change it here now but just for the future

this is another unintentional thing maybe? you want people to go to the start of the drag (red line), which is has a little difficulty to get up there. but they can just go into teleport to get there. extra weird if they try to use the edge to get up and fall into teleport, to their destination. so either an extra cp at left to not cheat to the right, or they fall into cp tele (to cp10) immediately via freeze or something

unfreeze

weird turnoffentities position, should be closer to sign

also that drag was like brutal 4-5, whereas the drags before were brutal 3

remove the two arrows and make two hookable unhookable, it's annoying when stopper ends and you have to drag someone through 1 tile friction

missing turnoffentities

there are many missing turnoffentities, check whole map again

everything was fixed, except screenshots number 2 and 7 and added more turnoffentities where it is needed about second screenshot, you don't need to slow down the fall for making swing about the seventh screenshot, the map name is "Unbalanced" ;D (idk how to fix it)

👍 i will check the second half of the map soon

soon

dont give them false hopes

"soon" in ddnet testing means 2 months

i havent forgot. no worries

put a wall here, because it happened 2 times for me while testing to accidentally hammerfly up there

unsolo here, otherwise it's faily if you accidentally touch solo

make these two stoppers, too. often dummy is stuck inside stopper anyways making hookthrough blocks unreachable

more cp, it can be a pretty close jump

everything was fixed ty for the test

fixed two little entities bugs

for sake of consistency, mark all signs with turnoffentities

etc- wont spam them all now. i guess its not everywhere needed, than only place it at those where it's important (big direction hint). but not 50/50 either cases.

unmarked

wrong corner

mark this switch like the others

corners missing

put some way for undeeped to get dj back here

move grenade left, so you can immediately try part again without going right and collecting it first

bad part

if u have bad ping its impossible

just put freeze here

and hook tele on > and itll be fine

or at least put freeze in the tele and unfreeze at the cto so u can hold hook diagonally without having to time it

ok you have to do a back tele there, its definetely needed

split unsolo / hammer

one to left for easier hook

faily position, maybe hookthrough at blue?

corner

make that CP centered :'c

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I tried to fix this part, but I'm not sure that I fixed it correctly

thanks for good idea, added freeze in tele

why? anyway you need going up there

back cp

everything else has been fixed

Because its invisible for entities player. At least switch hammer/unsolo order to make unsolo visible

It's a bad back tele. You want it to be a clear visible entity (designated feature) and not just another cp row. And second a back you have to get forward first would be very weird in specific cases. Third you can just easily fall down there when there's a back tele there later

я потестил. Всё заебись

switched

adeed room for tele back

beautiful 🙂

So, some of testers already tested the gameplay, design bugs were fixed too. Please tell me some solutions about the map, is it ready or not? I'm tired of waiting. It was bad idea to create big map.

it's close to being ready, there is just one more thing regarding gameplay

the whole map is brutal 4*-ish but these two drag parts are definitely harder than 4 stars. so we think you should make them a bit easier

i never played map by myself, but from screenshot first part is totally fine for 4*, 2nd one is gay because of this

first, added stoppers and hookthrough

second, added hookthrough

$ready 4

map name is unbalanced,it made sense

nice design bug

look at the bush below startline

feature

there are so many holy shit

map isnt only unbalanced in gameplay but also in design

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As long as it is not a gemaplay relevant bug, it's ok

the map had 50+ design bugs, I am not surprised we missed a few

Actually, such design bugs are not the main task of the testers.

Even if such things are quickly noticed, you can always forget something, so you should take a closer look at the next map

since when do ppl play with design

same question

what bug ? is it grass main in generic blocks ?

$reset

xdddd

haha

xd

oh no

why do u reset a released map xd

-fixed design bug -added tune zone with information before start

All or just that one?

вы че пармезанчики рофлите моево братку так тролить неподетски? Я вам ща всем тут поясню за десигн Translat: you che parmesanchiki roflite my brother so troll unapproachable? I'll explain to you all here for the design

https://puu.sh/HgClR/3e117a3958.png

Wow, guys please stop. This map is released now, if it's not a problem bigger than 3 pixels just don't post it

oh nvm didnt know its released :v) Thought he wants to see some more "design bugs" - sry!

Ah yes, jao's troll, this map is released

xD those are right at the start of the map

thats why you shouldn't use jungle_midground automapper

i learned that on my first map

Nah its not bad, if you know how to use it

this is ne bug

jungle midground automapper is fine, what you should be worrying about is the winter main one

good map

when rls

jaouis

release

$released

ty

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