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very nice

very good map

this part seems to be highly tick reliant, can you change it so it works more properly? imo it should work whenever you hit the catch (on the right)

intentionally no /spec? players would love to have it

this section is easy compared to the other parts, i guess you can make it harder

the gores after the screenshot i sent is long, some mixup would be nice i guess

my testing helpers (Loop and phacrum) told me to write that the 2nd gores is very straight, they liked the first and the 3rd gores part more

some people (including me) still think that you should remove some of the big empty boxes and the walking simulator parts (the latter are not that crucial), but still that is mappers choice..

https://ddnet.org/testlogs/show/Planet_9 I think the mapper doesn't want to fix

"empty boxes", "walking simulator"

he wait many months then repost, 0 fix everytime

Your map submission has been declined.

can you tell us about the bugs, that are not mappers choice?

to be honest i missed alot of the conversation on this stuff, would be nice to know 😅

see you in a few months again

is this being declined because of the empty parts?

Its because mapper and some testers are stubborn. The map could release like it is or he fixes it fast. But neither happens

clearly can't be rls like this.

can you explain the issues about the map?

i already explain 1000 times, but the logs are bugged because he reposted 10000000000000 times. empty space and parts, so i'll give just 1 example. -red box, just void -yellow box is gore (globally too much gore in the map, even borace don't have that much gore) -blue "the part" 1 hammer with setup, and of course it can be cheat -green, pick gameplay (hooking up in a tight zone for 80 tiles).

other issue, he don't want to fix anything he insulted some the other tester (long time ago on the first submit) he wait many months for nothing, i don't see why i would take time for that

thank you for your opinion, i wouldn't really enjoy playing the map i guess, but i think we should try to find a compromise in order to release the map, because many players want it, dont you agree?

and no i dont tolerate mappers who insult/annoy testers

Silex is the best t0 hh map maker in teeworlds, he released all of these goated maps, which were and still are t0 classics:

Back in the days Back in the days 2 Back in the days 3 Back in time Back in time 2 Back in time 3 Arctic Frost Back in the sky Panic Paradise

Also I didn't mention all of the Adrenalines, Verifications, and whatever else random stuff that I'm sure is poggers as well.

Maybe Silex knows what he's doing and ppl like some empty space and some gores

I don't like to support a map, just because the mapper is a "famous" person

imo map is fine. if he doesn't want to fix anything, then so be it, his decision. only for this reason i wouldn't reject the map, since apparently several people want to play it.

I can just repeat. The things you mention are no skips or parts that dont work. Its your subjective view vena( and maybe also personal problems idk)

not cause he's famous, cause the map is good and his opinion on stuff like empty space and gores and t0 map design is more important than ours, clearly, since people love his maps

he don't want to fix anything i can't confirm that because he has fixed several bugs and skips since the map was first submitted

if you want to argue that the map is good, explain why it's good, instead of saying that it's good becaues people love his maps

And you should give him the benefit of the doubt since he has the most rls maps and the most popular ones

idk how to explain, why is bit3 good? Best I can say is cause people like it?

i mentionned a "part" idk if i can call that a part xd because everything is void. i have no personal problems with sylex.

bit3 is probably the worst example you can take, because the map is not really very popular with players 😄

silex*

he you map a hh map it's always popular, nothing to do with it, and it mean, any mapper with a lot of experience can map a random thing then say "i have a name in ddnet mapper so you have to rls it"

it's been played pretty much every week since like 5 months after it's been released

ah y, but he didn't put the é on VéNa

https://ddstats.tw/leaderboard/mostplayed/category/Insane dunno of its accurate but yes bit3 has even more playtime than bit2

there you go

, tell me those stats aren't crazy

sry not welf haha,

only insane map with more playtime is ravillion, and that's cause i've been on my save for the past year

the only problem that might occur after several weeks is that the map is too long. this was the case with bit3.

people wanted a new map in this style, got bit3... after a few weeks the map wasn't so popular anymore, because the players mostly only saw the first 20-30 parts and it became too boring. same problem as with susterism...

most testers just don't understand why people are happy with such a map because their own taste is different (like vena for example). hardly any t0/hh map has any innovative parts because people just like this ‘newer’ hh/t0 style and enjoy playing it.

Yes but the map got tested several times and the parts are good, fun and have a good flow. its just about the gores and empty spaces. And thats personal view, no reason to decline the map

could be possible, since bit2 was released before ddnet was connected to steam

space, and gores count, like everything else, structure design gameplay... he have some good parts, but his fillers are bad, space is bad, the transition like i shown are boring, useless and take too much place that the map is one of the longest but not that much parts in it.

the struture is good, and when he develope his parts it's good, but the only reason the players want this map is : they neewant hh maps and they take fun because it's a type of map for t0. it could be any random mapper or weird hh map, they will like it.

so if people like it, release it

i dont see your point. your critism is that people will like it and it will be fun for them?

lmfao

that why we have tester, we wont rls randomly. even for hard decision like this map

no i'm saying, it could be any random hh map, all hh player like you, itom, cipy you would like a rls, and it already happend on other maps

but you would rather release hostile 3 or tentrom that gets touched by 0.1% of the ddnet community. priorities straight

these hh maps are more popular than most gimmicky maps we get these days that legit oinly get played the first few days after release

Verification is pure hell otherwise good take

if planete 9 had a gameplay well done like those map, it would be rls, they is no issue on those map.

i wouldn't know i've never finished one

planet 9 is far from being any random hh map. give silex some credit. i agree he could get rid of some of the void spaces but if thats how he wants his map to be, so be it

ok and we already talk about the space

BUT WHERE ARE THE OTHER FIX SINCE 2 YEARS

the cheats

the boring parts

repetiting parts

i guess we shouldnt care too much about "boring" and "repetitive" t0 parts, since thats what many players play alot

your rly thing this is normal ?

boring / repeating parts are subjective, but I don't know about the cheats, could you post some videos?

this is fun in t0 wym

i just ran through it, the only things i would suggest is fixing this https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1264560623543386114/1264576929671942245 and fix pic attached since swing isnt be necessary atm and maybe adding arrow indicators for some of the parts (where to hammer, where to wall)

t0 would be very fun

exatcly what i said, he can give you any shit in t0 and hh player will like it

just my opinion 🙂

haha it's crazy, I looked at that photo and went, wow I can't wait to play that xdd. Unlike 12 tile freeze on stronghold 4

yeah i tried to shift the conversation into the direction about what stuff has to be fixed, because i think we should try to find a compromise, imo the freeze tick based part has to be changed 😅

i didnt know about the cheats. thats a fair point. regarding the "boring" and "repetitive" parts. just a point a view. i played the parts and found them rather enjoyable

Thats what hes not understanding. His personal subjective view on parts is not objective

youre saying hh players will like it, isnt that a good thing?

bro dont get any point i'm telling 💀

hard to understand your points when communcation is a barrier

i've been objective, if you can recheck the logs, i always said he have good parts (when it's big and develope, not the fillers)

bro, a map doesn't have to be FILLED with only "good" parts to be good, people like to chill a bit you know?

show me an hh map that doesn't have this

or that

or that

hh map are bad most of the time xd

your pejorative remarks on hh maps isnt unknown

it's lazy mapping to make an hh map

stronghold 4 is legit just a repetition of the other 3 strongholds xdd

Vacando

thats your personal opinion

cause u don't like them, but others do, so they aren't bad

like me saying multeasy or grandma are bad. Like haha, funny meme, but clearly they're not bad, since people like them a lot

of course it need hh parts or can be boring in some points, but not the majority of the maps, it's even in the rules, you can't map an hh with only hh.

for real i like hh map, i dislike t0 it's different

I hate grandma so much(MY personal view)

that's how you see it, I see it differently... for me, the map fulfils the rules 100%

what did ur grandma do to you

but sadly i need another tester to rls this map 😦

justice for itoms grandma!

Just wanted to write "but i love my grandma"

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-beg-begging-jerry-begging-jerry-begs-gif-26592079

btw is this map even brutal with this length? (i couldnt look at it yet)

i mean you can still reset, and it happend many time on this map, it was 50/50 with tester at some points, but here i instant decline because he just repost without fix again and again, he just make fun of tester but as you want

"fix" meaning deleting empty space and gores and easy "filler" parts, not bug fixes?

The map is now ready to be released! Difficulty Rating: ★★★★★ Optimized version attached.

🎉

that doesnt help, but its funny

I think thats a sensible answer and i can understand that its quit annoying if he doesnt answer and fixes the things you suggest

depend what the other tester wants, personally i would say : why not for empty space if it add an utility (it's not even well place to move in with swing, fly or other funny thing we could do inside) make the map shorter with less gores, and work more on some fillers and transition I shown. fix some skip that are obvious like 4p tower or other skip (still have to be t0 friendly of course)

is this fr

funny joke to put in ready but you forgot that we can't change the statue of the map for a long time now, we can't reset anymore

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just leave it rdy and move on... map is multiple times checked... testers will not be confronted anymore with the map... ppl will be happy it is rlsd

whats the issue?

imo this part has to be changed, we agreed on that on the test today

just gotta hit the ceiling

then the unfreeze will be on right timing

facts

the empty spaces should be filled with hostile 3 (it would probably fit)

not sure if its that simple

who cares about big empty spaces when it takes 10 sec to go trough them

someone ping snail so he can set a release date

deserved release

WE DID IT BOYS

its back to map testing its over

joever

c'est la vie

you can go on same cord and tower with a+space bind

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-gta-gif-20483040

stop yap and release it already

video proof 🙂

paparazzi

• also skipable in another way, and as already mentioned the part is not perfectly working

Better don’t ping me if you want this being released as I would decline it 😂

• corner

reacting

to your own msg:

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cringe-cringe-oh-no-kimo-kimmo-gif-23168319

silecks my goat

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unlucky

i personally fw empty spaces or "chill parts"

didnt take a look at this map 😁 but if an empty space is done well (for example, has some aspect of pleasing entities+ normal design, placed after difficult parts to allow tees to chill and wait for the rest of their team) then it can be goated

i like this way more

2nd player just dies?

ye just drop him. if serious, just pick it up from the bottom.(need remap)

cool idea

I've tested the entire map. What problems I see 1 Too much filler about 80% and 20% are idea parts 2 Too hard unbalanced map, especially the idea parts 3 Lots of skips Also this map looks like the first hh maps, now the quality of this type of map has improved. This looks like an old map Because of these problems. I didn't enjoy the map

A good example of such a map is “Susterism”. Just compare the level design of these two maps and you'll see the difference.

Map channel has been moved to waiting mapper.

there were posted some suggestions here, sorry the channel is messy, you have to scroll up especially the drag part and the long gores should be fixed

and the corner

In order to finally get things moving here I decided to point out the minimum amount of fixes that must definitely be applied in my opinion

were you djing on the swing

lol

this part looks like the standard one, but there's another way that's 100% unfailble.

Perhaps he needs to make the part clearer and yes this can be skipped

You must keep the speed to get through the freeze on the left, so no the way you suggested does not work

i though u need take speed from hammer

Good point, that could work but that‘s probably also a cheat and I feel like it would be messy in team 0, let’s wait for a statement by Silex I guess

was on holiday, gonna fix some stuff these days

don't decline

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Include a changelog alongside your map updates (preferably with screenshots).

made this changes, didn't saw anything else that should get changed imo, thanks for testing

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They asked me to drop the video

lucky man

Just skill

This fix is bad imo. your to slow and always fly into the wall, dj timing is hard. groundhammer also rng. Maybe add 2 tiles like in the picture

the part is just still broken and ur suggestion wont fix it

Also its pretty easy cheatable now

this fix would work i guess (taking the old version and deleting some unhookables), well maybe add some anti cheat in that case...

You can also move the kill tile and the unhook (where you dj) 2-3 tiles more to the left, so its not so annoying to time it.

Include a changelog alongside your map updates (preferably with screenshots).

this was a minimum, and we can't go lower than this we tested this map alot and found alot of stuff that we want to change, but if you don't fix the minimum, we can't release the map (because afaik not enough testers would release the map in its current state) according to the rules, your map may also not be unbalanced (i posted a screenshot about an unbalanced part)

Map channel has been moved to waiting mapper.

i think the clutch dj part we suggested above, would be more enjoyable than swing into stop into groundhammer but i didn't hear other opinions yet

Please also adjust the above-mentioned gores part a tiny bit as it is really too uncreative and linear. We can't allow such parts on other maps as well and allowing it here would lead us to struggles in the future

add a way back here, because right now it's really annoying to save others (the whole group has to wait for a save that isn't interesting to perform, but takes alot of time)

add more space here, because if 2 tees fail, the saving takes alot of time and isn't fun at all (going back and forth with hammerhit)

this section is repetetive and boring (you have to wait 3 seconds on every unfreeze) and unbalanced compared to the other parts

I don't see any problem here

Include a changelog alongside your map updates (preferably with screenshots).

fixed the gores

fixed all of that

the part is meant to be exactly like that, i would like to not change that

is planned like that and wasn't a problem for anyone (and this map was obviously tested by a lot of ppl)

agree

thanks for testing

more than 2 years, not much answer from you, or not wanted to work with us, and now some "few fix" that are terrible like this gore in screen or the drags that was not even working anymore they is still so many problems mentioned long time ago and not fix. if you are not interesting about working on it seriously, we wont lose more time with this map

Your map submission has been declined.

What kind of random sorcery is this now?

Now that fixes are actually being applied you decide that he’s not seriously working on the map?

Unfortunately I can’t check for the fixes right now but the given changelog mentioned everything as fixed that I wanted to see as fixed so I‘m afraid I would put this to ready if the changes are done accordingly?

Please also follow our internal procedure next time and start a vote in such cases

Moved channel back to TESTING.

hmm you forgot about 1 rule : when it's obviously a decline, it doesn't need a vote

U cant compare this map with #deleted-channel

why would you then wait to decline after he finally did the changes mentioned?

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??

how is than an ''obvious'' decline

most of the time when there is cheat everywhere, random things, bad parts and the mapper fix with a part he didn't test because it doesn't work -> decline

but not here

some stuff wasn't fixed, some fixes made the map worse, one fix even added a cheat

so?

he can just keep fixing

isnt that how testing works?

declining after a fix seems wrong to me :)

why do you think some map are decline? because fixing is not good enough or fix went wrong

• already 2 years let's go for 10

this map can be ready with some fixes

its not like all the map is bad

you mean declining after some fix missing since years + adding problems in the fix?

1 month ago i said to welf "i will do a review for a big fix" it's so big that i'm lazy to finish it

Oh tell us about the problems please as you only showed a screenshot of a gores that was clearly made better?

uff

screenshots are not his strongest suit

ok wait i'll do with more time it's late, but as i said i have a lot to say here

can you show it please

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that wasnt meant XD

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1264560623543386114/1275075319933571223

That was changed

the freeze here got removed, now you can get on spot and hammer (both tees go top)

like all the freeze, or are you referring to a specific freeze block

u went there for 2 secs and said "with right coords" and leave it

u didnt really tested the skip

WE DID LOL

stop lieing

did u?

yes

hmm

Let‘s stop the discussion right here as this is just a mess right now

i know that but still insane to post something like that,+ the current parts lost the flow the "fix" on the gore is just doing hook between the kill tile on a long way, it's boring and shit

that what i mean when i say "bad fix"

?

apparently u guys tested it, but when i was there yall went there for 2 secs and leave it, ig u guys tested it when i left the server, anyways, that skip is an easy fix

Understandable, this section seems to be lacking in quality still (I‘d have to play it to make sure and not just look at the screenshot) but the overall gores still had a massive improvement

Please point out further problems and feel free to start an internal vote on the map if you feel the need to but this is not an obvious decline and close to ready imo

bro i dont need 5 hours for a basic cheat, no need coord just hammer and slow hook, before talk you should test and see that Yes it's cheatable

i didnt say it wasnt cheatable :)

but u see me realise the cheat ?

no i didnt

sad for u because i did

good for u

^^

nice skip

just fyi you were on the server when we tested the cheat

another cheat

Is flow really that important what its a 4 hour map? But the part on the screenshot does look bad xD

Feel free to reset.

What is rule 1? Where do I find it? You seem to have missed the internal discussions

1-map is already reset 2-i meant "one rule" but i write with "1" this is your rules that you still didn't pin in map-vote btw

• looks like you didn't read the rest of the message because i already mentionned it "obvious declines"

Which of our current mapping rules does the map not follow?

i already mentioned an unbalanced part, silex didnt want to fix...

bro read pls ......

That's not a mapping rule

as welf said -> unbalanced, not fix correctly, not fix after 2 years (for some cheats or problems, fix add new problems

you removed it XD its a guideline

That's not a mapping rule either

ok let's rls everymap then

one of the part he "fix" was not even working, but a map unfinishable is probably not in the rules because it's obvious

Okey, your decline reason is wrong then

we decline many maps which follow all the "rules", it basically happens every day

That's fine, I'm arguing that the map was declined due to a non-existing rule

Sigh, anyway. Allow Freezestyler do his tests...

we already agreed for that if you reed the channel

As long hes willing to contribute to bring this map to a releasable state, don't just decline the map

it's obvious, that vena meant the guidelines. he is refering to the "rules" pipou made. let's please not have that debate over semantics ("rule" vs "guideline"), it's not helpfull at all. instead of understanding his point, you tried to disprove it.

very unprofessional respones from testers imo, no wonder its in shambles

so it's more professional to ask things already mentioned in the channel when you didn't read it + referring to pipou's rules that he broke, cut and now doesn't even make sense like : g10 doesn't even exist anymore ?

very professional to have sarcasm when someone points out your fault

calm down please, thats not helpfull at all to now attack vena for sarcasm (you are also aggressive...) your message contains sarcasm

i just respond non sens by non sens, because it would be totally accurate if i based the testing on "the current rules"

the difference between me and vena is that he is an official tester, im just a troll

it's not agressive i'm not taking is bad it's fine guys.

🍿

i'm also willing to bring the map into a releaseable state, but there are too many issues, that don't get fixed. the map gets worse whenever it gets updated (silex already added 3 cheats while fixing + removed the flow from a part)

i found the rule the map breaks 🤓

Map channel has been moved to waiting mapper.

Testers can we please discuss and agree on the necessary changes here: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1272588513954496573/1277635165606252594

1. i want to fix stuff which is necessary IMO, also it seems like there are still some things i need to fix but i can't see the screens for that because it was on an old testing channel (?)

or

(or some other tester) np to meet ingame to show me the things directly so we can discuss that, maybe that will change my thoughts on some stuff (or yours)

i will ignore every message of you because you seem to be a really rude dude

4. 🍿

k

We are having an internal discussion and vote about what to change as far as I understood so we‘ll need some time and we’d be grateful for a little patience right now.

can you show how you would do that? this 'cheat' seems extremly faily to me, except you show me a proper way to do it, normal way seems better

just add 1 more freeze

Include a changelog alongside your map updates (preferably with screenshots).

jump is a lot easier now + you can hammer through freeze with enough skill

still cheats in it?

the no flow part is the gores part that was boring for you when it had flow?

you changed it already? my reasoning would be, that you have many tries to perform the cheat in t0 and it would affect speedruns (if some players would try to do that xd). we did it at the 2nd try iirc, tee on the bottom goes into freeze, holds a. the tee on top goes down -> hammer -> dj -> short hook. maybe there is a better setup with coords which would make it work in any case. needs further testing now.

with 3 players and coords you can skip this gores section

2 tees can just go wall here

with coords + hammer its cheatable. it doesn't cheat alot and is lame to perform, but still meh that its possible

since im posting screens anyways, i can do more 😅

whould nice to have kill tiles in the marked places, because it would indicate, where you may not go. when performing the parts, you don't see the kill tile, which caused some deaths while testing.

i mean there are already kill tiles there. imo on such a map where there even is platform before the part its quite easy to spectate the part and look where not to go.

forgot to answer this, i meant this wall thingy breaks the flow, imo the part would be much more fun if you just had to do the clutch double jump probably its still cheatable rn

Map channel has been moved to waiting mapper.

There has been an internal vote on this map that ended in a draw. 5-days deadline that I gave for making suggestions for essential changes has exceeded without anyone taking part.

Everything that was mentioned as a flaw I do think is just a minority and of no big deal for the map‘s being as a whole. Silex also does not have to change every little thing that is mentioned if he doesn’t want to as it’s just mapper’s choice and it’s not like those are map-breaking issues. It’s his map after all and it’s releasable in its current state. While I think that the map is just decent from a tester’s perspective, I still think it will be played much and I‘d understand the hype as a player.

Not really sure how to handle such cases as the opinions in the testing team are entirely split but in my opinion it’s ready.

Moved channel back to TESTING.

First ready set. It needs to be tested again by a different tester before fully evaluated. Suggested Difficulty Rating:★★★★★

how does this work 2p

hammer, at least one tee will be on top of you

agree with the summary and your opinion

It's been quite some time and it currently doesn't look like the other testers want to ready it without changes. I went trough what everyone found and tested it in game to only keep the biggest issues. With that said I added suggestions and they should be pretty easy to implement so no big reworks needed.

1. If you are unaware and go in too low you will fail. Make it more intuitive.
2. You either need or would be more comfortable to have dj at the marked sections. I'd add two more edges where you can get it by yourself.
3. Spacing is pretty bad for t0. The safe space should be extended a bit.
4. I'd delete a few of the "hook up trough kill tiles and press d" blocks and above invert the middle block to freeze from below. (repetition is the biggest issue here.)
5. Delete one more block so it's not hyper annoying to save.
6. This part didn't really work for me. I suggest extending the unfreeze side one to the left.
7. Here you are blocking each other and spam hook straight up + pressing d for a solid 10 seconds. If you don't want to rework it a bit cut at least the marked section.
8. Let the players get the needed dj somewhere else as well without blocking the path. (Could be a single block in the middle with a kill tile on top as well.)
9. The unfreeze should be extended up - it's very easy to miss.
10. It's possible to fail with weak hook here just moving the right hook trough down by one will fix that.

11. An indicator where to drop here would be great.
12. Still very easy to skip by just jumping.
13. & 14. It would be good to have some more kill tiles higher as well so you are reminded not to drop at the wall during the part.
    15. The second player will be just walking over 100blocks. I added a suggestion to decrease the length and make it more interesting.
    16. You are able to go back from farther down. Why not also at the ones above?

If there is something I suggested because I did it wrong feel free to correct me but I'm pretty confident in those findings.

Hope we can agree soon and look at a new release candidate.

You need the approval of another tester as well, so please take care of the above-mentioned feedback as well

. I'm confident that this can be released very soon then. 👍

Map channel has been moved to waiting mapper.

Thanks! Going to edit it soon.

tik tak tik tak

💣

Thanks for testing

Did not fix: 4, 7, 8, 11, 12 (small fix, cheat is still possible but a bit harder, if you got the balls to do it right before finish so be it), 16 Fixed all the other stuff just as you said.

Include a changelog alongside your map updates (preferably with screenshots).

Will look at it later if someone wants to join

Me, I haven’t had the possibility to play it with others a lot. Ping me when you are ready.

i'm sorry i totally forgot - go play tomorrow!

Ay, no problem looked like your pc is fighting back anyways.

did a full playthrough with cats just now.

i personally enjoyed it, some people mentioned the spacing of the map is to big, given we have a lot of "just walk" sections in this map, i personally didnt mind it much but you can take it into account if you feel like it.

if no other tester has something to add, i'd ship this as is. i think 5 stars is fitting here

First ready set by Trial Tester. Map needs to be tested again by an official tester before fully evaluated. Suggested Difficulty Rating:★★★★★

(this as a reference to understand what i mean with "just walk")

That """problem""" was discussed 1000 times 😄 But for me it should be mappers decision

thats why i didnt mention it as a problem, but rather a general suggestion before the final release - ofc it's mappers decision :P

Ye

The map is now ready to be released! Difficulty Rating: ★★★★★ Optimized version attached. Unoptimized version: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1264560623543386114/1304037734008225833

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-7629549360433771923

we need planet 6 and planet 9 now

Why not with dogs or other pets

cats >> everyone else

wait there is still so many problems xd

Moved channel back to TESTING.

i'm gonna give more detail soon, can't rn

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ah hell nah

we are discussing things internally, most likely the map will get readied soon.

bro

remove vena from testing

still waiting for details, youve been seen ingame and have not really explained your reason to move the map back to testing

i came back home, just play a bit, wont do it today, we basicly wait 2 months for silex everytime for 2 little fix but you can't wait few days ?

will probably be more than few day, because information goes to tester first, so no need to ping me

Pets>>everyone else

First ready set. It needs to be tested again by a different tester before fully evaluated. Suggested Difficulty Rating:★★★★★

The map is now ready to be released! Difficulty Rating: ★★★★★ Optimized version attached. Unoptimized version: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1264560623543386114/1304037734008225833

i've done it

^

letsgoo

What has changed since the previous version?

nothing

Peer pressured

what are you taking credit for?

conclusion was tester are lazy to lose time with silex not fixing well so they ready.

missed 2 corners, declining the map

couldu remove SS runes from the tiles?

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

I dunno what my internal pattern matching is doing

xd

its just ⚡⚡

not that deep

wouldn't look like that if this tile wasn't mirrored. Doesn't seem to be on purpose especially as bit made this tileset.

fr 😭 🙏

i remember bit also having a problem with ss runes xd (as in mapping them)

design is by bit tho

it was to make the yungu part better trust 🙏

he got that mark cuz the biggest nazi in his universe wanted to kill him

konsti?

guess what Welf might say when he see this chat

nah this channel is lost i don't even try to moderate it.

your map has just been released, and you now have a 2-week grace period to identify and resolve any unnoticed bugs or skips. After these two weeks, only design and quality of life (QoL) fixes will be allowed, provided they don't impact the leaderboard rankings. Be aware that significant gameplay changes may impact and lead to the removal of ranks. Good luck with your map!

So as it turns out the entire debate about flow was pointless cuz its a 2.5h brutal map and everyone would rather not do the entire thing without stopping

thats what i be saying

but nah, it needs to be perfect for speedrunning because obviously all of top 5 will be perfectly optimized 😹

thank you for your informative additions to this debate :3

Who organizes the map releases and thought it would be a great idea not asking the mapper when he want's to release the map he put a lot of effort in?

🤡

ofc i mind

3 years + the time rls and all the debate about rls (1 reset) but you didn't find time to ask for it ? 🤡 if mapper don't say anything it's rls after the last ready

mappers rarely get asked about when they want their release. you could've said something, if you wanted a specific date for your map release.

are you asking to get a better treatment than other mappers?

why are you assuming this lol, he was asking a question that i think is very valid. i cant exactly remember the map but mappers have been asked before ,for a release date they wanted. i also think in the future this would be great for mappers to be asked when they want their map to be released.

and maybe he was just busy during the whole $ready $unready shit that was going on, so it was pretty confusing. just like you on your free time are testing, he is on his own free time and might not have looked in this dc channel.

snail usually does releases himself to make sure map types and difficulties are balanced, i think mappers should explicitly claim when they want a release if they wish for a custom day

however the "surprise release" without mapper confirmation can be debated xd

thank you for answering his question instead of asking another question 👍

we have plans for december and this was the only last weekend slot until then, it seemed like a good surprise release for players & to make sure the map doesn't get overshadowed by a packed release agenda, but what louis says is completely right; should definitely have made sure it was okay - sorry about that

alright ❤️

Imo every mapper should get a better treatment generally because you just test the map, THEY are working on it for a long time and they are the reason why ddnet is where it is. Don't understand me wrong, testers are important aswell, but don't forget to appreciate the work of the people doing the maps.

you are an official tester and act like the biggest prick. You should be a little bit nicer instead of writing stuff like „parts are gore, boring and shit“ – wow i am sure that keeps people on doing maps. You seem like a huge fan of mine because you take everything i write very, very literally. Do we have some bad past or something? If yes, i don't even remember. Also you shouldn‘t be this loud if we talk about maps, because you don't even made one yourself and you do not have no biggest clue of the process doing one. Imo you should get banned from testers, you have no idea how to deal with people obviously. Also maybe think about mapping is not a job, if i don't fix it for a long time so be it, no need to rage. I said i won't talk to you a lot in the future but it is insane how you beg for attention. And i'm already sure, if you will answer to this, it's prbbly some ignorant, sarcastic bullshit.

First of all i as a mapper want to tell you that i care a lot about mappers and i'm working hard for everybody getting a fair treatment, because i cannot imagine a healthy testing environment without equality. I even fight with the admins, when they suggest that some mappers should get a special treatment (happened like 1 week ago). If you have issues with a member of the testing staff, write a staff complaint ticket

. I understand your frustration, but you don't need to get this personal. VéNa gets criticised a lot internally and does not represent the majority of the active testing community.

I will delete further aggressions from anybody, let's have some peace 🙂

I did not talk about you Welf, sorry if that's how it came across.

Yeah i understood your message, i didn't take it personal.

Imo you should get banned from testers It doesn't help ddnet, the more active testers there are, the higher quality maps that come out. Each person tests differently. So if you really don't want a healthy ddnet you can keep thinking like that. Also you shouldn‘t be this loud if we talk about maps, because you don't even made one yourself I don't understand why I hear this month so often. And I still don't understand why people think it's a problem?

Let's take the example of food from a restaurant. Where a restaurant is a ‘map.’ Restaurant critics don't need to have own a restaurant or have a signature dish to leave a good review of a restaurant and food.

Or here's another example with a football trainer. Many trainers are not very good players, but they do their job very well.

I may not have given very good examples, but I hope you get my point and that your point is not very good.

ps i liked ur map but still dont like voids and some easy skip parts.

Oh i didn't adress that point before. VéNa is a good mapper, he showed me the map he is working on in private.

ngl, most cooking show judges are previous professional chefs, and most pro sports team trainers have played the sport professionally too

CSC -you've been arrogant and insulting testing in the early testing, and now put a clown emoji because u forgot to ask for a rls date? 🤡 And now you complain because I clowned you and also said things like your gores are bad and boring, which is a fact btw. -no we don’t have a bad past and I always do a difference between work or way to think (testing etc…) and people, I don’t know you much and don’t have or said anything against you personally, it’s testing related even if I can be rude with my critics. -trying to flame on a topic you don’t know won’t help you, you have no idea how I map and if I know how to map, the only thing I don’t talk much in testing is design and it’s because I know when I don’t have the competence, and saying that search a rls is ridiculous (from 2 testers that I won’t name to not give them problems and long debate, but basically they were for the rls because your fix are terrible and they don’t want to past 10 more years ) (screen) -now talking about time, you clearly don’t get that most of my frustration is due to your bad fixing, and adding time on it is more frustrating, because I don’t care much if a map been in testing for long time, but when it’s 3 years I mentioned it because it’s impactful and have a meaning. Of course, you can take your time and maybe have a job or doing something so you are not fully focus on ddnet, but that much time for adding more problems You don’t even test your fix https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1264560623543386114/1275048256182681653 this is the best example, “fixing a part” the cheat was still possible but now the part is not working, great job 🤡

for this point I agree, ddnet is not on his best, and testers are 1 of the keys (with dev, admin …) but tester can’t do much without mappers and when you are refusing to fix and give a low quality fix with that much experience, you are not the one working for the good state of ddnet, I don’t think you are the most qualify to talk about the state of the game, you are not playing anymore (or maybe I’m not aware) and not updated to what happens, specially in testing if you don’t know that we are not asking for date rls if it’s not a special demand from the mapper.

I got to almost end of map. And i just want to say its a great map all round. No idea why it was in testing for so long. Great map

You dont even notice the "filler" parts. One of the better t0 maps i played in a while.

Apart from the discussion about the map (I can understand both sides) you have to admit that you often offend people. Maybe you don't realize it or maybe it's the language barrier, but often I see harsh words and lack of empathy/kindness. Work on it and you good

Ngl the fillers are probably one of the best ideas in modern mapping

Thanks to the people for the nice feedback

I'll go with that since everything else leads to nothing & i'm bored of such discussions. ☮️

See you soon back in testing.

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Stop with the spam.

sry. 6

sry, timeout for you

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