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I didn't find this map on the unique servers so I decided to upload it.

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how does a low quality (old?), map gets readied? i know race category is dry but shouldnt release just because there are none

the other map run_4fisico atleast well made and also looks nice(r) to the todays "standards"

maybe it's oldschool ?

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ye i remember playing this map , was hard back than

We are discussing the fate of race maps in internal channels for now

okok, also shouldnt release maps that are already on unique

That's what we are discussing and the point of having a race category at all

We are a DDRace server, yet our race maps have to follow the race settings and mapping rules

If we were to have race maps, they should at least be DDRace-race maps

Which would result in releasing them in solo anyway

What I suggested is to remove the whole race category, ask unique to upload the maps they don't have and merge our times with theirs

I also asked to add a "Race" tab, just like we have for KoG

all my time on antibuguse wasted

It's not wasted if your time doesn't get deleted

Thats just dumb to remove a whole category or merge it with solo. Without any shape of mind i wouldnt spend this much time with the category on another server.

It would help increase the visibility of race servers

It was good to have race maps (and gores maps) at the beginning of DDNet, to diversify our content a bit and to stand out.

It's not needed anymore and race feels off

The main problem you point out is people being point hungry

Im sure im not the only one like that who wont play any more race if there is none on ddnet

No i dont care about points

I just wont spend time on another server

I don't understand why ?

I really dont get it why it needs to "change" now after all these years

its good as it is

People go to KoG to play gores and don't complain, how would that be different ?

Also some maptimes wouldnt even be fair because on unique your rocket projectile stays after killing

Because things were like that doesn't mean they can't be changed, they have to change at some point

Imo the gores maps currently available on ddnet is much more fun and creative than on Kog

Because our gores maps are DDRace-gores maps

Yes and our race maps are ddrace-race maps in some way

One advantage for having race maps on ddnet is that it is available to a more global number of players (at a lower latency), since ddnet has more servers spread throughout the world compared to unique.

i really see no reason for this to change

Counterpoint, we wouldn't want ddnet to just be a massive collection of random maps though

DDRace-race maps can be moved to solo, the others not

That's unique's problem. I don't do server management. They could increase their locations or merge with DDNet ?

thats a really good point also

Also, doesn't antiping help nonetheless ?

No it doesnt, i lag so much on every unique server

Friendly reminder : Unique servers are the one blaming us for releasing new race maps (and existing ones)

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Ye i see no problem they are blaming us for releasing existing ones obviously 😂

its theirs

also they have no really rights to blame us for releasing new race maps, if people want a map released ONLY on ddnet and not on unique

i wouldnt even consider mapping for unique

ddnet seems so much more reliable (server life termwise)

thats the worst suggestion ive seen so far from any tester let alone from a tesing leader

why would you want to delete a 8year old category

also unique playerbase or race main playerbase is so small compared to kog you cant even compare the 2

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Read from the beginning, you'll find your answers

i referred to the beginnin

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maybe you see text that i cant see ?

also just make a community poll so the people who actually play the race maps can decide if they want them on ddnet servers or not

5-10 people deciding the fate of an entire category

I explained all of our reasons to do it

well dont

oldrace new category

back when i played race maps , i thinked there is no freeze deathtiles or teles just swing and rocket to get faster time ... well it felt like that .

does anyone wanna merge race category with unique??

nope

Why not ask

what he thinks of it? :D

did already

This is thanks to him we know what he thinks

This is what I gathered so far :

Should we keep the race category and release new race maps on DDNet ?

For: People keep their ranks and times (and points) on DDNet. Against : People will have their times transfered to Unique server (or a Race server hosted by DDNet, the same as for iCTF for example)

For: Unique isn't spread worldwide so having a few races can make it accessible to everyone (lag issues) Against : You can play with antiping

For : People don’t know about race servers Against : Adding a « Race » tab would help increase race visibility

Against : Race maps follow race mapping rules, it has nothing to do with DDRace.

For : We shouldn’t care what the owner of Unique has to say Against: The maps are already uploaded on unique server and some see it as a competition. The owner is against us having race maps

No we are not blaming ddnet for releasing new race maps, existing maps on the other hand are not worth rereleasing if they are on unique for the majority of racers who actually play race and hunt for rank1s. also run_4Fisico was already on our servers and is a middle close to shortrace map, wasnt it the case that ddnet only accepts long race maps?

omg 1 race player said its fine → whole ddnet community will get the acces of race maps on ddnet SOUNDS GREAT

playing race with antiping sucks

movement, rocket just feels off

i still love how they try to make every decision behind closed doors for no one to see and then they wonder why there is so much backlash when presenting the changes

its not a pleasant experience to play with more than 40 ping on race

If it was the case, I wouldn't be talking about it here

omg unique servers are thriving lets move all race maps to there!!!

just make a community poll since it will affect the community the most

but that would make too much reason so that wont be done

instead move more maps to ddnet please. I would do the same with ddrock. there's so many good maps frfr

The thing is that people want new race maps here because DDNet has more visibility and it's widespread across the world compared to Unique. The target audience is not racers but DDRacers. We know barely nothing of race maps because it has nothing to do with DDRace that's why we don't want them

You are clearly spamming the channels and trolling lately, keep going and I'll ban you from testing

you can see barely anyone plays on unique servers

ill fight against stupidity

I have nothing against DDNet releasing race maps, neither the other Unique members. I am speaking about racers who actually care and play race, that they would have to play the same map twice, back then this decision was cleared with index, welf and i dont remember the other guys, that they don't take existing maps from our server bcs of that, the way u put the "For and Against" debate is concerning me and who made their voice for me, yes i am against rereleasing race maps that are on our server, but thats about it.

"DDRace that's why we don't want them" who doesnt want race maps?

there is nothing wrong with them being there

My path in this game started with racing, like most old school players, I don't think there are few racers in ddnet.

Nothing forces them to come and play the maps on DDNet, this is not mandatory

I never said it is, its just what was talked about in what year? 2015? 16?

We aren't map hungry right now

as you can see noone really supports your suggestion, it is a bad idea

It's about consistency. We are a DDRace mod, not a Race mod. I also suggested to host a Race server just like we do for ctf and fng. By hosting dedicated Race servers, we would avoid lag issues and people would still keep their ranks and times

fng and ictf are completely different gamemodes ofc they have their own servers

but having race maps doesnt change anything

The problem I see with Unique servers and why they aren't more popular across the globe is that there aren't enough servers to play decently. Maybe a fusion could help both DDNet and Unique

Yet, Race isn't DDRace

maybe

people dont want to play ONLY race maps

so it wouldnt matter if its a fusion or something

cuz race maps just dont get much attention

since that playerbase is barely alive atm

That's why I asked for a tab. I wonder if most of the community knows about other servers than DDNet (and Kog which they often mix up)

Also, I don't know if you are aware of it but to map a race map for DDNet (currently), you have to follow the race mapping rules so they are compatible on race servers. Do you agree with that ? As a DDRace server, shouldn't our race be DDRace-like ?

That's why Race should be separated from DDRace and maybe have its own server (hosted by us)

we hace race category to have race maps that are not ddrace like

that is solo

I agree

As you say "not DDRace like"

that doesnt mean we should remove it

Not remove, just move

no one would play it

it will be gone to the shitter

Why that ?

you can still make race tab, with forced only race category ddnet servers

That would make sense

the "race" community is barely alive

and by moving current race maps wouldnt fix it just make it worse imo

Some paranoid people believe we are trying to hide things and do some secret wizardry while I'm here reading you all to find a good solution to satisfy everyone (if that's possible)

If it's barely alive, why wouldn't DDNet just host it ? If it's meant to die

race tab with forced ddnet servers + unique servers

cuz people play it cuz of point/rank points thats the only point of having them rn

The points hungry

and some of them are a really nice challange to players such as antibuguse unbelievable etc

By hosting them I mean to import the data too

So nothing gets lost

or

just allow new race maps to be less race like

I already held that fight a year ago or so

its better than removing it

But then, there is a thin line between solo and DDRace-race maps

It's hard to define it

we COULD just more race to solo aswell

and have them rerated

and for 5* races you would get valid amount of points

"point hungry"

I'll let them cogitate about it all for now 😄

what yall think about this idea

put all solo-like race maps from race into solo

like run_birming or knux or antibuguse for example

and change the rules for the actual race category

basically turning it into smth like shortrace but for ddnet, like shortddnet 😼

That would make sense

But what about real race maps that are already on the servers ?

that way we could finally add some new style of content to ddnet

yeah i'm not sure how those would be treated

i don't think any serious racers plays race on ddnet servers

i assume that's true but not sure

What about having that race tab ? To give unique a better visibility ?

maybe except for the hard+long races

idk about race tab

maybe combine it with kog or something

We already have one for KoG

there could be a lot of improvements for tabs

one for ddrace, one for pvp, kog, race, etc.

i dont think it's a bad idea to add more tabs at least

I agree

i disagree

other than u and matrose xd

i mean a bunch of pro racers have top ranks on ddnet maps

but do they rly play on ddnet compared to on unique

just look lice E02 for example

great map

and a lot of race players came to play it

oh well yeah

unique race players

i mean i rly like the recent race maps made for race

but the vast majority of race maps are like medium/long maps

i'm not sure how much overlap with unique actually

best solution to leave race as it is

but i'm fine with keeping old race maps, i just think it should be revamped

cuz theres like 5 ppl who play it total

at least revamp newer maps*

i think e02 was a good map for race server

things like run_jellyfish_fields just feels like solo but with a nade

every race map is a solo with a nade

im talking abt the style

idk i just think race category could be better in the future

IIRC the reason why there aren't more tabs is due to the lack of space for people playing on low res monitors. (Can't find source, sorry)

theres not too many short maps on ddnet which i think is a shame

we could start accepting them on race and since the points are so low anyways it won't inflate anyones points

i mean ye i never saw really the true reason behind not releasing short race maps, if its really well made

i say keep all the old maps but allow new maps to not abide by the traditional rules 😼

(so they can be short and use different features than just nade)

original version of jellyfish had ninja

Can we add custom tabs? tabs u can modify yourself and put in server ip's for ez access

I dont get the point about race maps following race rules and not ddnets. For one I would imagine newly made races actually do follow ddnet rules and for the old ones - well they were made before the rules so thats why they are here. Same way oldschool maps with meh gameplay get released today

And deleting races from ddnet is probably much worse than moving a map to fun category in terms of activity

Also can you guys add a new forum channel for discussion or announce things like that cuz yet again an important decision is made in a random testing channel

Newly made races are still made according to the race rules. Oldschool ddrace maps are ddrace maps, not race maps. This is not a random channel, we are discussing the fate of race maps in a race thread. Talking in another channel would get that discussion mixed up with others

this u pipou

Are we gonna touch this or just decline it?

More than 2 weeks no news or anything

decline the idea and the map aswell

So, almost a month has passed, there is silence around and there is no information. Someone from the

s can answer, can I start uploading to test race maps that I couldn't find on the Unique servers?

imo maps from unique shouldnt be released here

if a map is on unique server dont upload it here, ones that arent feel free to upload if gameplay is good etc. it might get released

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