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TO is too far away. You should adjust the color of the tele to make him more visible

i think useless

I think your unfreeze needs to be changed to a different color, the white color is not noticeable on a high brightness background, or you could use a darker color for the unfreeze logo.

Make the changes right away and send them ?

Nah, when you have time, fix it and post it on this channel.

something like this ?

I can lower the teleport TO even further

Map filename must match channel name.

Chill_Hills.map

sure

feel good

solo weapon tele is same as start line

almost can't see where too shoot

tele 12 , 20 , 22 , 23 should be different color

totele 2 , 3 should have unfreeze

i think weap 19 not needet

what's hook here for ?

different rules for corners

different rules for tele and teleport

this is hard for novice ( in my opinion )

some stoppers have freeze inside some not

speedup no needet

new freeze rule again ?

no part for 2nd guy

2nd guy don't have part

lights snow sun should be detail yes

and all bg ellements

after you will do all changes

upload map here with name Chill_Hills.map

you can see trough this block , maybe it's not big deal no idea

there is no time cp's

bruh

then u can skip whole part

i could do something like this

i replace whole part

I've fixed 5 skips and two Game Tiles issues in 2 parts

I can point out on the screenshots where

After removing the last skip. I don't think there should be any more

Sorry for the confusion, I had a lot of time today 😅

actually i found one more little skip. You can hook a player under stoppers, but I'm not sure if I remove it.

Looks like no enough space on floor (4blocks) where you have to get up so other guy hooks you

u mean this ?

No , top

There I have to make a small correction because you can fall down. The idea was that you would jump in there with a doublejump

So ye u are right

That's much better

add "out of solo"

you can replace this with hookthrough

You are missing the freeze of the triangle.

Corners are handled differently in this place than in others.

telegun's tile is not aligned and it doesn't look good(any place)

[Suggestion] Don't put stopper+unfreeze like that you can put them both on top of each other.

be like :

corners

Tele is a different color.

↑

hum

Harmonize CORNER handling throughout the map

?

I don't quite understand, can you make it clearer?

I've made all the changes, but I don't quite understand what's going on with solo part ;p

I found 2 more bugs, one with corner, the other with the return teleporter (it was the wrong color)

it was antiskip

but I guess he didn't give that much

At the beginning of the building I did it, then I changed my mind to do it as it is on the map. I can change it if necessary.

Here are three different ways Corner handles it Choice 1

The idea is good, but the disadvantage is that it takes up more space, you can use my program to make the map look a little neat, I think it is necessary!

So I've understood it well

oke

suggests a modification to this posting

This speedup is not necessary. / You can change it to this.

To make it easier for you to find this CORNER problem, I used this approach

If you follow the corners treatment like this / Then you'll have to make some changes here.

be like

corners

[ ① / ② / ③ / ④ ]

wait, let me know something

cuz im a little confused

sure

in these two cases

i mean this

u are talking about this ?

you want unfreeze to be the same way

?

ah this treatment is also reflected in Mellifluous, connecting grass state maps do not need to do corners because it's a pain in the ass, connecting bricks (hk, ht, unhk) need to do corners because of it's regular shape

The unfz in the first picture is connected to the grass and doesn't need to be corners because the shape of the grass is very irregular, the second picture has to be corners because it has a regular shape.

yep

so ?

I don't quite understand what's going on with this

These two correspond.

ye i see

this situation

You can change it to

oke

It's a little more aesthetically pleasing.

so lets back

u want to replace grass witch regular blocks ?

cuz this is clear

nah

You can do what I told you to do. I told you how to do it. Or you don't have to, because I said in my first message that they were suggestions.

↑

It's clear, but it's not pretty.

too

I'm running out of ideas on how I can connect 3 corners

can you give me an idea

sure

i could delete freeze and ufreeze

and replace it with stoppers

with unfreeze inside

it would make it easier a bit to connect

ye it looks better

You can do this all over the map.

what about this

?

use

So do what you do in the second solo part ?

what i did *

oke nvm

where

It doesn't matter, it's just talking about what you've sent

yes about this

I'll make changes in a moment

good luck

ty

are u still here ?

👍

tele 11 leads to weapon tele on the left

it is also possible to keep grenade by shooting your teammate, no telegun should be before unsolo

entities and design don't match for finish line

same for start line

Done 😄

thx 😉

bro xD

bruhg

these corners will get me sick someday

fixed corners

I changed the finish lines to resemble the starting line

In the first solo part I improved one teleto for the grenade

I got rid of unnecessary blocks in the laser part. And made it harder to skip (I mean, you still can, but it's a waste of time - lot of time)

I corrected the last corner (God, I beg you, let it be the last 🙏 )

First corner change

Replacement of square corners

Also fixed this

• I've changed the freeze here to be symmetrical to the stoppers

corner change

I've made a few changes to the first part

I swapped the stoppers with ht

A small change with deep unfreeze

Changed part

I reworked the part because it was too simple and boring compared to the previous ones.

Anti skip made in a different way

Important structures are now visible in low quality

HT on spawn has been changed to match the rest of the map

• unnecessary speedups detailing has been removed
• Speedups in unnecessary places have been removed

One problem with the structures has been fixed

• Fix 3 visual bugs

welcome new comer 😄

fixed 7 grass block corners issues

I hope there are no more bugs 😄

never hope i am veterant in it xD

In fact, I've said this to myself a few times... so yea xD

• fixed 4 COOORNERS problems

😂

it's not the last one

Last visual changes

you can place shields with 1 block gap in between to make it look nicer

after big part player that was dragged just makes 1 hook

good flow and interesting parts 👍

also solo parts don't require 2 teles nor teles in the air

• Replacing all teleprts with CP ones
• Unnecessary teleporters have been removed
• small reconstruction of several parts
• Improved appearance of second solo part entities
• change the color of the subtitles to a more visible one

• Bullets have been removed

• Added gaps between ninja shields
• removed unnecessary blocks in the background as design

better

and here

suggestion

unfreeze

suggestion

Very interesting map, you can do better

small change in one part

for better flow

👍

Looks like here freez but no

too much stoppers on all map, maybe try to use less stoppers

make like this (suggestion)

This part doesn't work at all, and ye too much stoppers

it is very difficult to understand what to do here for a novice

the same problem

For now, try to remove half of the unnecessary stoppers, and speedup, making the map more interesting at times

make cp like thi

gl ya

i think thats all

In the afternoon I'll add a fix to the stoppers with unfreeze

I think it's a lot better.

CP

delete 3 tele"

the map shouldnt start like this, make more room, if not, many tees will have problems due the crowdedness

as you can see here, you can clearly see the diferences between freeze and the bg signs

$change server moderate

$waiting talk to the mapper in game

It was room, not run

can i ask what is ur ingame name?

this map is fine for release idk what this whole chat even is

if u consider latest coke release

this map surpasses that by 5x

$request different tester

save me

• bigger spawn
• stoppers bg change

Huuuh what’s the matter with you

Good gameplay, but feels like ~4star novice for me

start of this solo a bit ruins flow

why you put all in hd, just put in hd sun, clouds, grass, trees

it's just a full speedup part, delete them do something interesting

Why you put bg into hd xDDD

Is it important to anyone at the moment?

like wtf

xD

hmmm

btw its fixed

on the next file will be fine

I even forgot that HD quality option exists

All non gameplay related has to be HD, except the logo, shoutouts, the one who made the map, and those mappers that helps the player to do a part

And you must put it in HD because believe it or not there are ppl that teeworlds runs like shit on their PCs

i got it. I'm just talking about prioritization.

nnothing bad i think

The usual, but if you were a novice player you can’t know what tele hook is (ye is added on kobra, but is quite old tho)

i will delete fonts, and create own in gimp tomorrow for an explanation of how to make these parts

same - signs where to shoot and where to go first

2 skips removed

isnt that kind of a bad thing? gatekeeping map tiles and mechanics behind ratings? (apart from obviously difficult stuff, that by common sense is only seen in brutals/insanes).. as a new player i would want to see what the game has to offer, and since you can introduce "almost" any mechanic in a way for people to understand, (give them chances to redo, add subtle hints, map the part so its easy to read out of what someone has to do), i'd personally like to see more approaches where these things are introduced.

yeah, was either that (explain every "new" things, like telehook or using ninja through stoppers) or just put this as a moderate 1 star and therefore you dont need to explain it

your call

bottom tee can skip cp fall in tele and be on the previous part

can "skip" the part like this, i believe its slightly faster, dunno if u wanna change it

• added explanations to parts
• added little change to last solo part

fixed

Fixed

I will try to reduce map size under 900 kb

as coke stated you can put 1 shield in between rather than 1 on each

can make cp like on second picture to make it simpler

imo better to keep time cps inside normal ones (whole map)

can use just 1 stopper here, suggestion

no point in this time cp as it's the finish

$waiting

you have not change anything what we talked in game

you just changed the color of the stoppers

What are u saying right now?

For now ive add parts explanations and stoppers color

I think adding unfreeze in other position in second solo part is pointless

structurally speaking

U mean all parts size?

everyone thinks it's nonsense

Including me

ye, and stuff like this

who is everyone

if is a tester that dont thinks like me, could be different

Dude other maps who has been released are tighter than mine

Im not talking about old maps

and that shouldnt be done, that some of the thesters ignore that is different

For example: i asked for

to change that issue on his dummy map and he didnt, Quix told him the same at that time, now the one who released that map should have told him that situation.

but im not responsable for every release and testing

where ?

in essentials 2

Dude, if you want to discourage me from making any maps, you've succeeded. but what you say has nothing to do with what I see on the maps that has ben releasd

Wtf

you literally expect it to change the entire map

you understand, you want to follow the rules without at the same time not following them

XD

map is not tight

btw add more spawn locations

and it's definitely novice

this is how it's supposed to be, I'll change it at the end

as long as this end comes

xD

but I agree that the first part is too close to the spawn

I will try to change it

I think you don't understand; it's not that I'm following rules and then not following them afterward; that doesn't make sense. I'm simply sharing common-sense observations about creating maps, specifically for team 0. From the beginning, when you joined the server where I was testing maps, my only suggestion was to adjust the structures in certain areas because they were a bit tight. I also suggested that you always imagine yourself on Chinese servers, as that's where the majority of players are concentrated after Germany. In light of that, I recommended creating more space in certain areas I mentioned (not all, as you should understand which ones).

On another note, what I suggested on some point was you could remake the map with the steps that i said, may sound drastic, yes. However, it was an example of what you could do to enhance the map's structural integrity. Typically, when you make adjustments over existing parts, they don't turn out quite right. Therefore, I wanted you to consider the appropriate action to take. And as i can see you didnt do anything of what i mentioned to you (structurally speaking)

I can do this by giving more space wherever possible. but I won't change the entire map because that's what you "suggest"

Or "i could do"

I could have made it so you would have too much space, but I didn't

• added some room at the start + solo part to the beginning of the map
• added cps in timecps

fixed

fixed

Fixed

Again……Just change the parts that need space

I'm going to change it today, where possible.\

almost every part

Today I'm going to make one more update to reduce the size of the map (KB) and change chronology of teleports

• Texture repair

• Reduced map size
• tps chronology
• removed unnecessary shields
• Texture enhancement

Pls ready this now

yep, should be ready

• A few graphics changes

• Increase space in one part

to

i think its done

pls ready it

• Texture Repair

when rls

• more space in winners room
• improvement of one part
• Added one sign in solo part

Done

👍

When rls

It's his first map, he fixed a lot in a month, the gameplay is good, there are no major problems, we shouldn't be too nitpicky so that new mappers stay motivated

can ready this map👍

-why put a noob filter for this map + the filter is not failly, it's just a lost of time -gameplay is not good everywhere, specially in some solo -gameplay is not balanced sometime it's novice 3* and some time moderate -bad use of cp and spawns -bad use of blockers -bad use of weapons (laser, ninja, shield...) -bad use of all other entities in general (tele gun, 1 jump, tele hook...) -bad use of speedup +some other little things

if the gameplay was rly good, I would maybe let you fix, but there is too much problems, if you do a big rework, you can repost the map, but take time for mapping, and try to think "how can I make it cleaner"

$decline

missing a good novice map

missing a good novice map

To be honest, this is a mess. Arrow has given feedback and he has tried to fix a lot, done his best. Several players have tested it and found the map to be good. Your feedback is super petty, I disagree with most of the points.

Objectively, the map is not bad, people who tested it pointed out that it was enjoyable. Bad use of entities is not true imo, you can't make complicated stuff on given difficulty + it has signs to help new players understand parts. Bad use of speeders and blockers is partially true, but it is minor and can be fixed in few hours at maximum. Noobfilter is also a minor problem, it can be easily deleted or changed. As i played i didn't find really unbalanced places, even if there are, they can be fixed in minutes (would be cool to point out them to mapper too). Declining this map is unnecessarity, considering things can be fixed quickly and the map is not bad. That's a huge demotivation to a new mapper.

Not moderate map imo

It was submitted as novice

it's not rn :c

as I mention : he can rework and repost it, if he want, I can give him a feedback with more detail.

the map doesn't stand out from other maps for entities, it's panful to watch and the part are not complicated. all the bad use and noobfillter is not minor, the map have to be clean and the most enjoyable possible for the demotivation, 95% of the mapper start with a decline map, and you can't use argument like "it's new mapper so u have to rls"

dont worry lil man for ur next map either try to make a novice map with full hookthrough parts and some unfreeze or you can maybe try some boring ass hh map with reshuffled parts and rename urself to one of the testers friends if none of that works maybe try be more creative, but also not too creative because then the parts wont feel enjoyable to play best of luck!

• It definitly stands out to other new novice maps as it is not only ht
• how can you say its "painful" to watch, maybe there are minor problems but its definitly not "painful"
• if it has to be super clean, your limited in your creativity
• 95% of new mappers get their map directly declined

He got feedback, fixed and invested a lot of time. I wrote with him ingame and hes kinda frustrated, already left the dc server once and deleted this map from his pc xD

The issues with this map can be fixed in 1 hour if you give him examples why everything is "bad use". Maybe write with him ingame and show him directly, the way you have written it only frustrates.

To be honest I kind of agree with VéNa.

The map is not bad but it just looks like the mapper wanted to use all DDNet's features on the map even if it meant to use them weirdly or for no purpose

For example, the ninja is completely useless on the map. Removing the dj from novice players just to make the shotgun part unglitchable is kind of akward. Presenting the nade to the new players as a way of teleporting yourself is completely wrong in my opinion.

Also the map has indeed some interesting parts and is different from most of the latest released maps in novice, but some parts are also taken/inspired from other maps and have nothing new to offer to players.

We also have this problem of unbalanced parts, the map is impossible to fail even for novice as there are tp's in every single part so it cannot be rated above Novice 3 stars imo, but we also find some parts laid out like moderate parts and some other that just require a single hook to be done.

So indeed most of the map is good but considering we would have to rework almost every solo parts + change some parts + adjust the others to make them at a same level of difficulty as well as deleting the noobfilter and reworking a bit the spawn, I find it fair enough that this map is being declined for now as the modifications would include 60 to 70% of the map.

Played through. Gameplay seems like a year 18~19 novice map. Some parts for the beginning, and then a solo part, and public part, and solo part... till the ending. Overall, the map style itself is hard to change, or the mapper have to rework all the parts to make the style modern. So i think it shouldn't be released, should work hard on next map. But the tester shouldn't use this kind of reasons to decline it, the reasons may be right, but they made others feel ...unreasonable.

which is funny to say because the maps released in 2018-2019 are overall better than "modern style" maps released today

The decline is Something we have to Accept since thats what testers are for and we can be Happy they Take their time to play, analyze and review - IMO the reasons for the decline are formulated quite harsh and Sound really demotivating for someone who Just started. Declining is fine But WE should keep friendly Sportsmanship when doing so - it Just makes them Not wanting to publish another.

map is way better than one of the more recent novice maps released imo, and im sure it will be better if he fixes the issues

I just tested the map to understand better what was this about, and honestly the map as it is is already better than most novices released last year. It goes a bit over the concept of "you hook me. you wait. I hook you. I wait. we repeat". I wont go into much detail as it's already been declined, but a few things really did seem strange. I enjoy the idea of using a lot of techs, but a novice map may not be the best idea to introduce so many new concepts + some of them felt weird like the tp gun on a sg part, or the hook tp which comes a bit out of nowhere, could be confusing, and is only used by 1 game. I'll stop here but yeah, overall seemed a nice, chaotic, fun map

So, if you think this map is better done and executed than semang for example, you don’t know what you are talking about

Thanks bro

im still trying to figure out where he mentioned semang

which is also funny to mention because if you put semang next to other released maps and turn on entities, 70% of players wont be able to say which map it is xddd

Not related to this channel but that leads to the question if maps with the same gameplay should be released over and over again. That was 2 years ago:

Excuse this lowly being for not being well enough versed in the arts of mapping. Anyways, I'm gonna give my opinion on novice mapping this past year taking this map decline as an opportunity.

So. here's a list of 1-2 parts of EVERY NOVICE MAP released in 2023 + Mellifluous:

The ONLY 2 maps that didn't have ANY generic part are open lane and chobo. and by the screenshots you can clearly recognise them. (and kinda circular, but the whole idea of circular is... well, the same as every other but on little corridors)

Ofc every map had its own tries at being original, but for most of them it consists of like.. 10% of the map? While staying the same for the other 90%? (I have screenshots about parts I do consider kind of "new", but I don't really want to spam more ss for now)

THe issue about chill_hills. it's mostly that it's wayy harder to map than all those others, because it tries to introduce very simple concepts of a LOT of new techs while still trying to stay clean with good parts overall. So it's just adding a level of difficulty on top of what most of the other maps did

I had more fun testing this than playing some of the released novices. This map could have gotten fixed withouth that much trouble. Fixing some unnecesarie fails, reworking some parts, removing some techs, even maybe changing a few colors from the design (even though it's already prettier than a lot of maps xd).

And btw this whole rating system is a big mess. it makes no sense. How is this moderate when the only moderate thing it has is a solo. For the past few years new easy maps have been rated WAYY harder than they should, making past moderates look brutal in comparison.

and even on new ratings it makes NO sense. Open lane is as hard or barely harder than teeasy, and one is 1 star while the other is 5??

it was novice first

I know, and testers changed it to moderate.

Thanks bro

please compare the two maps again and see where the differences are

what do you need to know to finish the map without any help

Isn't the issue here that a good map != An interesting map?

Chill hills is fine for us since we understand the mechanics of the game well so the part seem fine to us, but for newer players they may not understand what is happening

Thus is a reason why a lot of novices seem boring and repetitive to us, there's a lot less room for creativity in them imo

Exploring a large variety of mechanics is bound to be confusing to newer players, so it requires a lot more hand holding which this map doesn't seem to give compared to others

We just aren't the right demographic for this category of maps, since most of us play brutal or harder maps from what I know

To be honest, it's a really good first map! There's some good gameplay, different mechanics and there's also something in terms of design. But all of this still needs to be improved somewhere, and not just a little. Basically, the map is pretty unbalanced. Some parts need to be simplified, some made more difficult. Some stoppers and speeders could be removed and entities in general could be better placed.

The structure could also be adjusted a little. At the beginning you have a lot of space in the middle of the map and then it gets pretty tight - you can see that especially when you zoom out a bit.

The different use of Tele and CP Tele is not necessary, one of them is enough - no matter which one. Everything can be mapped in such a way that it is somehow coherent.

In any case, I would advise you to rework the map. It definitely has potential. As a start, I would personally go through the map again and ask myself about each part:

1. do I really need all this (stopper, speeder, ground freeze, unfreeze, etc.)?
2. is there enough space even if 10 tees are here at the same time?
3. is the difficulty of the part similar to previous parts?
4. does every player understand the mechanics without having to be given any information? And if not, where is the info? Is it clearly visible?

But from the assessment so far, I would also classify it as mod 1-2* - without any changes. 🙂

So basically, yeah we should rise the expectations on novices. Beside with the time player skills are going to get better and better, but the maps are not getting harder at the same time 🤷🏻‍♂️

The thing is too much work, there are like 2000+ maps

should we discourage new mappers from mapping novice though ?