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Since some people have talked about a rework of multimap i mapped it, i do not expect this is getting released, but if it's a good solution for stopping blocking on original one because of less space .. why not. Also made a simple grass design on it.

i cant see this released. this might be a really good option for now but when some time passed people will ask why this map exists. maybe we can have a temporary release. would be sad about the ranks tho

this map is still not on the test servers and the ddnet.tw preview is just a black screen for me very frustrating

fixed

i like this rework

but it fixes the cheat that u could do with hammer run thats sad tho

i could see this released and replace perma multimap servers

only konsti would complain

which we can ignore

freeze under unfreeze

grass looks a bit weird between unhooks

put unfreeze on top of blocks

Imo neither multimap nor this rework are good enough to be on the servers. The map is unplayable for 2 beginners, in big groups only one or two tees will do the work. Either way the players wont learn alot on this map.

Of course this map is better than multimap e.g. some blocking spots are removed and alot of parts are easier/have now unfreeze, but for me that isn't enough.

These arguments are not really the things we should talk about imo tbh .. shouldn’t think much about 'how good this map is and players wont learn alot', they just really like multimap, the full servers are the best reason and this is just a version without stupid blocking spots. There’s not 1 good reason to not release it imo. At least it's better when new players come to this map instead of the original one if they ask if this game is just for blocking and waiting all the time. That is just my point of view and i don’t know why we shouldn’t do that actually.

Mutlimap is a bad map and this is just slightly better, but still a bad map. I would prefer to protect new players from bad maps. We should just put Mutlimap on Moderate, so novice players don't get molested with it.

I don't see them liking the map, they don't have many options (they maybe don't know about better maps or something like that) and wait in the first gores until somebody hooks them out after being stuck in the filter for 10 minutes. For me that doesn't look like fun no matter how many tees are in that first gores part.

I agree that this map is better than multimap, but that's not a release reason for me.

yes let's just delete the most played map on ddnet

great idea

Nah just put it on moderate server

Did i say delete?

We could also put it on oldschool, because that would be the right thing rechnically xD

You kinda said it

new people would be surprised

and maybe unhappy

i dont see welf suggesting that multimap should be deleted

oldschool sounds like a fitting place for multimap

i dont think he said "delete it" lool ?

delete multimap

Make multimap 1* moderate

multimap for multirq

Make multimap oldschool 5 👌

people like multimap

And its not a bad map

And u can put it to insane or to "DONT PLAY THIS MAPS, THEY ARE SHIT" and it will still make full servers

I loved playing multimap when I started the game

I only played there for like 3 months

people still blocking their asses on multimap and we're not gonna release this without a clear reason .. it's a shame

Yes it's a shame that multimap is still on the novice servers

It's a shame that you are back in testing

what's up with all this recent toxicity towards testers, what do mappers expect out of it? multimap is just objectively not a good beginner map, and we dont need 2 of em, 1 is enough. you even said yourself that you're not expecting a release

multimap is a great team zero map change my mind

it is

for moderate players

wtf this map doesnt have the hammer jump skip

that's the reason why i redesigned it, also the blocking problem will not disappear , the reasons to not release it are to weak imo 🤷‍♂️ most people will rq teeworlds just because of the original multimap, that's just my last two cents

btw

here's one of many reasons to act toxic toward testers

imo, multimap is a bad map that doesn't meet standards even if there is a rework of it. the nobos will rq original multimap because of the difficulty, not the blockiness. this map still has the difficulty of the original so i'm not sure how it would make less rq-s.

its not a bad rework but still, its just the original parts are still eh

id like to hear other opinions but that's mine

also u kinda changed some parts whcih amkes it harder

u removed the right walls on these which makes it harder to edge

nobody does it the legit way here, better to add the hammer run skip that u can access from below maybe?

i mean u can still fall down from the top but eh

also isnt there unfreeze here

can change all stuff on the map when it is certain that it will be released, instead i don't need to fix it, timewasting maybe just talk about it internally and do a clear decision, also maybe

say something about it since you weren't so turned away from the idea

thanks, first good feedback imo

testers didn't decide about the 1 map per mapper rule

or don't

I don't understand why deen likes Multimap. I talked with some players and none of them really thought that Multimap is good for beginners. Maybe move it to Moderate and we are fine.

For me this map would require a big rework, so i don't think it would be worth showing all the flaws/issues in screenshots.

I don't like it, I notice that it brings us lots of players

I think that is an illusion

they rather ragequit because of the bad gameplay because of multimap

Imo we need a good replacement

a long map (so the server has many players) with alot of easy parts

Kobra maps are long, but too hard

Multimap is somewhat long, but it has a bad gameplay and is too faily

it's not about the length it's about the failyness people like, even if it's a new game and you are a noob it's challenging to try it again and again until you get it

maps like pounamu, 4beginners and tsunami just don't give you that feeling

They are just too short

I don't think that they like the failyness

Kobra isn't that faily respecting the skill level

I don't think that many players actually stick to the game until they finish multimap

they just leave because the gameplay is annoying

No amount of rework can fix multimap, every single thing about it is bad, let's just put this old sock somewhere where nobody has to play it

No amount of rework can fix multimap, every single thing about it is bad

wow

Personally I always loved faily maps only. Maybe it's a matter of taste, but it feels much more fun when you know the entire group will die when you fail

god .. finally

Failyness itself isn't the issue about the map. It's too faily for beginners, too hard to save at some parts and the parts are too tight for new players to learn.

id say failyness is fun to a lotta ppl

getting over it blew up as a game

its just the fails in multimap are kinda frustrating cuz sometimes its not because of player skill but rather a very dumb map design

like before in multimap u could fail at the llast part if too many people were suffocated in the tele, etc

From my experiences with beginners, they need alot of time/repititions to learn stuff, i would prefer a map where they can learn alot. A gores with teleporters would help them much more than a tight gores with freeze. I also don't see why they should learn edgejumps on novice.

I don't want to write a full review about this map because that would cost alot of time.

Maybe make it moderate?

Multimap is rather moderate, yes

eh, im not sure about gores with tele but u could put tele in other pllaces

i don't think a map should have tele everywhere tho

i mean, you feel a lot better after you finally finish a hard faily map than a hard tele map

same could be said on a smaller scale

We have alot of faily maps, i don't want to remove failyness from the game

But lieing in freeze until somebody hooks you out is not fun

I just want maps that rather feel like tutorials

Like 4 beginners, server full 24/7

it's too short

imagine comparing a map with avg finish of 52 mins with one that has 7 minutes

yikes

thats how mostly comparing here happens 🥺

cus no one knows how to properly read statistics and do proper conclusions

1 hour tutorial

extra fun

have you ever played with the beginner this year?

psure silex can find out himself why the avg time of multimap is so high tip: it's not because of the length

no reason to hate on me now

samdragaline 2 coming soon brate

🤔

dont think you know the difference between hate and having a discussion

multimap is oldschool

and nobos will still play it

just put it on 1 star oldschool

or 6 star novice

or in the bin

archive 5*

the map is really unbalanced and unplayable for 2 beginners, this is rather a moderate map, because some parts are too tight/faily e.g. in the gores parts it's hard to save your teammates. of course i can't list all the issues here. this map requires a rework to be playable, but creating a new map would be better in my opinion. many parts are rather outdated. if any tester want's to rework this map in this server discord, they can $reset the map

$decline

its cool for oldschool

Or moderate

i think

oldschool means the map is from 2008-2013

doesnt make sense tbh there are so many maps on brutal and solo that are very worthy of getting the oldschool tag