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KANIOSEK MAP ❤️

Can you skip using HR Was it supposed to be like that?

tileset error

the most beautiful map I've ever seen I hope it gets accepted ❤️

I'm a huge fan of your maps, you keep improving every time, I hope you keep it up

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Render map

3mb

Następna mapka ❤️‍🩹

Powiedz mi jak ty to robisz że wypuszczasz po 2-3 mapy w tak krótkim czasie

Ta mapa to projekt sprzed pół roku

smurfa zrobilem na szybko

wiec mialem odlozone

A ile ci średnio zajmuje zrobienie mapy?

rule about only 2 maps in testing by the same person still a thing?

1. dont use turn off entities on unimportant thigns
2. move the edge a bit to the right so if you jump on edge you dont jump into freeze
3. sometimes the background makes it look a bit weird its not something but it kept annoying me this is a not so big case but theres ones where its really bad
4. whats the spiral for? it just wastes time.
5. more hookthrough so you dont have to dj 6-7. i dont understand why theres a lot of random things here also i probably didnt find inteded way
6. whats the unfreeze and hoookthrough above for? also skip maybe dunno what even is intended theres like 4 ways you can do it
7. very long transition without anything
8. unfreeze not marked

whats the unimportant thing at 1. ?

I've always seen people using Entities Off in titles. Why couldn't he?

11. very long transition with a deep that does nothing
12. you can just throw
13. bg look very weird with low detail
14. this just doesnt work and both can go down
15. add unfreeze and make this one hookthrough
16. again very weird with low detail

marking map name and such counts as unimportant no recent map does that

oh and also usually the darker ones are the unhookables it was a bit confusing but its fine

Guys i know its meybe a bit late to say this. But its possible to push this map to the hallowen event ?

this map should fit

Let me know if it would work or not, I would be grateful 😄

i'm afraid we're kinda set on #deleted-channel for that

maybe a release a day or two after the event ?

not really a problem

It doesn't have to be on Halloween

Would also be nice to have 2 maps for Halloween. For 18:00 and 20:00

I completely agree, Halloween is a big and popular holiday, not quite like New Year's, of course. However, why limit map preparation to just one map if there are good contenders? And also there haven't been released any new novice maps for quite some time

I miss novices Well, the

It's been a while without anything...

• Fixed HD
• Fixed entites
• Fixed campfire fonts
• Fixed a few design bugs
• Improved fog in bg
• Improved one part

• Fixed fog again

• Added more fog
• Fixed few corners
• Improved one part

no design, and it's useless also, u can delete it

design bug

conflicting layer, add 1 more time cp

move unfreeze down somewhere

not really needed unhookable, the other tee can just jump without hammering. Also stoppers aren't really needed too, u can give more space in the marked area so u still can pass this part fast

this much ht also not really needed as i see

wrong design

pretty much not needed ht also

also not really needed stoppers

time cps again

same

same

also there is no 4,5 time cps, from 3 goes straight to 6

can't really say if it's needed

kinda strange structure of the part itself, and also looking at it some time now and still cant understand why is there unfreeze and that much of ht? : D

better change the structure with saving it's idea but making all that to save the tee from freeze if it's for that purpose

u can also skip it like that, without having much speed as u showed

is this hook needed for something? also some useless ht

idk if it's intended, cuz u made something similar in other places, but there was a lot more unfreeze but here is a small line of unfreeze

u probably should make it hd also

we have already discussed this skip, but I still think u should close it, cuz skips the whole part even tho it's kinda small

• All fixed

Thanks 😄

• Added more details to the design
• Added sounds all around the map (surface 2 types of sounds, caves sound, and 2 ghosts sounds). If anyone has any advice on volume and soundbox placement, I would be grateful 😅

• and I added more chat messages

Improved sounds

this filesize is a complete disaster

how does "night-crickets.opus" take up 200kb

i made it take up 56kb, can you tell the difference ? barely

you can compress atleast 80% of the images to be 50% smaller

and you can combine images together

no reason "cracks" should be a 3k x 2k image

Don't worry, I'll leave the optimization for the end, for now I'm still working on the map

• Improved design
• added animals sounds
• added spiders

size getting bigger and bigger, hope you will do well with that optimizaton

It probably won't get any bigger 😂

in the end the size will be over 2 mb anyway

lies

without sounds its like 2,8 mb

did you try actually compressing your assets

you owe me 200 ddcoins if i can get this map under 1mb

what the hell is 200 ddcoins

nah no way

under 1 mb ?

• improved parts

i owe you 1000 ddcoins if you will get this map under 0.7mb

I bet 300 ddcoins that i can make it bigger!

• bug fixed

lazy compression, it can be pushed further

Dontmakebotmad

bot scream at you (very scary)

I totally understand that

(Changing the extension of the file, not screaming, duh)

the magicians working overtime

dont worry i paid them 30 ddcoins

pay them more this is below minum ddwage

Shh... they don't know that

...

poor wizards

We're getting cheap magic optimizations, don't complain

wizards lives matter!

this compression is very visible in the game i would say

can you notice it during normal gameplay

i just looked at it and its completely fine if you're not focusing on it

ye but

im focusing on it 😅

nobody else is going to so why do you need 4k textures

who's gonna play zoomed in

while playing your not looking at it

so its 100% fine

I want 4k textures

the result:

if theres no test theres no decline

:3

the lamps and jungle cables were overcompressed

but bg and tileset still look good at half res

also dk why theres vanilla image embedded

should just use uncut desert doods and leave external

didn't know it was from desert

but as i said, low effort and lazy compression

i think calling the map low effort is kinda harsh

(i was calling my attempt at compression low effort)

ah i see the issues

tho i would be more concerned about the performance drops more than the filesize

usually having a bigger filesize is better if you are able to improve fps thanks to it

2048x2048? why would you need such a high resolution for tileset

same with those images, some of these can be even 4 times lower in resolution and will still look way sharper than bushes and tiles around it

i downscaled most assets by 50% in my compressed version

why would you need tileset for this instead of using quads

its like less than one tile

you can make the image size even whole 10 times smaller

and it will still be sharper than assets around it

are these even used? i only saw 2 bunnies on start and they didnt use any of those parts, also the image is way too high in resolution like the other ones

3.5MB filesize is way too much for this map

a lot of the size and performance issues comes from those high resolution images and unused stuff

i know in game these have a slight gradient but these images are almost identical and you could try to use a single image for it and maybe add the trees as different layer

these stars are barely visible in game and they have a massive resolution, it would be better to just place some small single stars instead of this

if you dont want to keep these tiles be full squares with no gaps, it would be better to just fill them in the image itself instead of creating a bunch of new layers

the startline isnt centered properly and since its a quad its not visible when someone uses

, use some tiles instead of that long quad in the back

might be a nitpick but this is the only part where i see freeze and grass decoration being in the same spot like that which makes it look kind of odd

usually it was just 1 smaller grass tile touching freeze/tele

Hookthrough color/design needs change, currently it looks too much like its a background/foreground element and not a solid gameplay element

besides all of the things i think it would be also worth changing color values of these mental tiles as its really hard to tell whats hookable and whats not right away

especially that unhookable is brighter than hookable

having a bigger contrast between the metal tiles and lower contrast between grass and hookable metal would help

i really like the map, has a nice vibe and i love the gameplay

just needs some design optimizations

• Added miner notes as collectibles
• Added blood animation
• Added crow animations to the background
• Added mining carts and drilling machines
• Darkened some design elements (mushrooms, graves, bones)
• Added hanging skulls
• Built two additional mines
• Improved mine and forest design
• Improved the final mine
• Changed mine ambient sound
• Fixed sound issues
• Compressed map from 4.5 MB to 2.6 MB
• Removed multiple design bugs
• Changed start and finish lines
• Added ghosts
• Made small changes to two parts of the map
• Moved new textures to HD

Thanks for your suggestions 😄

Fixed almost all of it

compress your sounds too

should be good enough

its already compressed

going lower with compression spoils the sound

I can actually hear difference very clearly

and most images are still with a huge resolution

i used 16k for that

do like 24k then

most of them are 5-10 kb

i did like 50kb and it was still bad

ok so why does this pumpkin need to be 600x600 when its as big as a 64x64 tile

but what? now we're going to argue about 10 kb?

and why is this single letter a 800x1100 texture

okay, but what difference does it make with such a large map?'

maybe I don't understand something, please explain 😅

I will reduce it even more and the map from 2.600 MB will be like 2,590 MB

removing 10kb from each texture does not mean 10kb overall

i got your map to 1.4mb and it looks fine

if you save 10kb over 20 images thats 200kb saved

I saw it and in my opinion it is over compressed

ok so why arent your tiles 256x256

since theyre overcompressed

I know I can still get down with kb, but I don't want to do it rn

same with those images, some of these can be even 4 times lower in resolution and will still look way sharper than bushes and tiles around it

if youre complaining about how "bad" the pumpkin looks at 256x256 then you should upscale all your textures to 8k since they also look bad

but I don't want to do it rn youre refusing to do it, thats different

Where did I refuse anything? xD

going lower with compression spoils the sound but what? now we're going to argue about 10 kb? okay, but what difference does it make with such a large map?'

okay aand ?

where is there any refusal?

I said that I am not doing anything in this direction for now because I don't want to

which doesn't mean I won't do anything in this direction

I'll try to compress these textures later

• Fixed blood animation

• improved two deeps

• bug fixes

• improved / changed parts

• small fixes

• added another mine

• 0.04 mb 😭

every day this map stays above 2.3mb i lose a ddcoin

Your gonna go bankrupt

• improved this section

NOO +0.01 MB 😭

oh norrr

the worlds gonna end

omagad teeworld destroyed

do u still want rls on halloween? i can test sometime

Hey

yes, nothing has change

I’d be grateful for your time 😄

• a few fixes

• changed 2 parts a bit

• I removed unnecessary unfreeze
• Added more spots for speedruns
• improved few parts
• added more brightness to unfreeze

Maybe decrease amount of freeze, so u can jump freely even when there is a lot of people

More space here also

Unfreeze up there, or on the ground

missing entity

Also can't see deep tee, which should be alright, but still mentioned, cuz a lot of novice plays with design

• fixed all

sry wrong file

thanks

😄

8 changes and 2,65 mb don't change xd

8 files*

Map size breakdown :mag:

• improved 2 parts,
• reduced map size,

map size still big

Let a tester say something then. More compression catches my eyes

How much would you like the map to have?

i think like 1.5 would be appropriate for this map since it has lots of design but it could be lower

2.5 is just a bit too much

I remind you that it was 4.6 mb

2.5 is still a lot

you can definetly get it to atleast 2

I won't compress things to the point that they catch my eye

and to 1.5 aswell

while playing they wont

while playing they will

i dont think so

i think so

well do it and get feedback you can always change it back

well

I'm not saying that I don't agree that it weighs a lot because

is right

then why not try it

i got it to 1.5

but I'm saying that I don't like more compression

More compression catches my eyes ok tell me which one of these textures is less than 100x100

.dontmakebotmad incoming

i already sent it

or give me a program that will compress files and keep the best possible png quality

what textures

what textures in that image i sent are incredibly downscaled

inside blocks

and anything else ?

bg looks compressed a lot

and what else

blocks under ur feet

sigh

but not bad actually

the hammer is a 73x44 texture and you insist on your backpack which is about the same size ingame being a 500x500 texture

my tee is 79x76, your pumpkin is 600x600

so whats your excuse

but are we talking about game textures, not map textures?

These small textures are maybe 50 kb max. Look at the diagram

i can compress them ofc

cuz they are rly small

reminder that your pumpkin is 600x600

pumpkin is like 6 kb

my god damn bg is 527x209

and we want to scale the map to 1.5mb

so let not talk about pumpkin and backpack

ok so why does your night-crickets need to be that long

1 second audio clip is enough

What do you think I should scale to get 1.5 mb without losing quality?

we don't touch sounds

my guy the sounds are the heaviest part of your map

I've already exhausted myself with loops and audio quality

I might as well delete them completely

than having them in shitty quality and in a bad loop

your crickets are 60kbps

its an opus file why does it need to be that high

You compressed an audio file and you can't hear the difference?

my ears actually hurt after listening to it for 5 minutes

https://www.opus-codec.org/comparison/

whats stopping you from compressing it to 32kbps

I know it can be compressed, but you lose quality. If you want an atmospheric map (sound), it would be best to have good quality—that's the priority.

and you think everyone has a 5000 dollar hifi speaker setup to be able to tell the difference

okay what besides the forest ambient?

explain how you will make this loop

because i dont really know

you did

ye this is better

its the same fucking audio file

i changed nothing

hurts my ears

i never changed the bitrate

its still 60kbps

are you saying you have to listen to 140kbps

But you changed the length, and I don't hear any wind noise. That's why I suspect you used compression ;p

Okay, never mind, let's compress the audio. How much do we get with backpack and pumpkin?

just make the wind noise play every like 20 seconds why do you need a clip that long

200 kb

what next

souly already pointed out a bunch of changes

I'll say right away that I won't be merging files into one or splitting textures.

assuming a 1024x1024 tileset, a 6 tile height is 384px, why does your 6 tile high sign need to be 1540px in height

okay but how much can it change in kb

do you not understand that you have to change a bunch of small things to achieve one big thing

i understand

a 20kb reduction ten times is 200kb reduced

and you have way more than 10 images

ye but not every image has 20 kb

some of them has 5-10

or les

why does "netz" have to be 1024x1024 i cant even see it in the preview

netz has 20 kb ?

i guess 4 max

my guy you have so many images that even if you saved 5kb from each it would still be a noticeable change

what do you use to compress files

brain and krita

this is a site or program ?

holy shit just use any image editor you want

damn, everyone here tends to argue instead of having a conversation?

argue about what

use what you want

I used websites for compression, but too much compression showed artifacts. I'm asking because I'm not a fucking graphics expert xD

dude just pick one from this list

https://rigorousthemes.com/blog/best-open-source-photoshop-alternatives/

Just before you think I'm arguing with you, assume I might not know how to do something well, or what's best to use.

because I have the impression that we are arguing

I appreciate the help

I simply don't know much about this topic, and I care about good quality.

I'll try to compress it even better in the next few days. Thank you

Previously I only cut out unused textures and didn't compress them at all xD

fire, pickaxe, spider, sign, Z, kani, cog - These textures can be downscaled without any visual change, because all the surrounding textures are smaller, and they look more foreign now

and why are some textures that can be external now being used as embedded? I know it won't win much space, but just for the future, if you still use standard textures, maybe you can just leave them as they are and make them external

what textures ?

you can join me rn, i will show you that this textures are looks out of place

can we be respectful pls, there is no reason to use aggressive language and doing these 'gotcha' arguments when talking about image compression

you could probably downscale some of the doodads without visible differences at default zoom. I think vanilla teeworlds assets are 64 pixels per 1 block, but you will want to be a bit above that ratio if you're not purposefully aligning your art.

u have a typo in one of ur tunezones

should be smth like "Rick keeps saying it's the Earth that's breathing"

also the part after ddracer 3000 tractor is a bit misleading / faily, idk if theres anyway to make it less misleading tho

You mean second tractor ?

cuz there are two of them

im not really sure which one you mean

this one ?

sry couldnt figure out how to screenshot on mac it kept making my game freeze lmao

i meant the other one whereu dropdown into freeze

sure i will remake it

fixed also

Bro

Hey, a few small things from my side.

1. Would be good to simplify that hammer by removing one block below. (Can adjust the top wall so it'll still necessary to hammer.)
2. Both times I played through the map I landed on the floor instead of the stoppers. Don't see a simple fix to that except just removing them since dragging to the left isn't very far anyways. Also I would place full blocks instead of stoppers at the marked location they make the part look a bit confusing.
3. I would remove one block here to make it a little easier since the release timing can be quite difficult for novice.
4. Unmarked cp.
5. Hint to hold a here?
6. I would add a hookthrough here to make the hook a little easier.

It would also be nice if you could downscale a lot of your assets. Most of them are unnecessarily detailed.

Also tune_zone 16 should probably be: "... Last night we heard knocking from the slope, steady, ..."

It would also be nice if you could downscale a lot of your assets. Most of them are unnecessarily detailed. if my dumbass can count right then 5 people have already said that

They said they will saved it for last I guess. No reason to get agitated. :)

Optimized version attached,

. Changelog:

I decided to keep the two-part structure. One because of the skip for speedrunners, and the other doesn’t seem that hard anyway.

thanks for your time

• fixed typo

Optimized version:

1.5 mb 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

second part for speedrun

will try to take a look in the next few hours for a rls on saturday

(tm)

Changelog?

just reduced size

and the changes we made yesterday. Should I do ss?

No it's fine.

Some stuff is still too detailed. For example the eyes and Zs, you can clearly see the difference to the outline of the tees.

Also you never need game tiles to be 2048^2 (Harmony marks.)

Should be 1024^2. :)

• compression of the eyes and “zzz”
• I didn’t reduce the size of the harmony marks because the symbols were getting misaligned, and I would have to reposition them all over the map unless there’s a way to avoid that.

I also decided not to remove envelope 1 and 2.

how does 2048 -> 1024 misalign things? are u using them as a quad

some stoppers are weird but this one i really dont like

You're right, I scaled the file wrong xD

nvm gonna fix it

also yeah do u think u could somehow fix that stopper thing triki sent, it's only ~25% chance but im sure theres ane asy fix

4 tiles gap i think do it like this not bad thing, cus now its a part where u can do wrong, and to pass it u need control ur hammer and hook, and fit to novice diff, so novice players will learn smth new.

also i dont like first 2 part in ur map they are too boring but u can keep it, they are so boring. rest of map i like.

• fixed harmony marks

well shiet

sec

looks good. once another tester re checks can rls

Map size breakdown :mag:

Map size breakdown :mag:

Optimized version:

Optimized some images,

hope that looks fine to you?

hey

looks good

thank you

Got some time to fix entitie bugs?

Yes, I can join for a moment

Optimized version:

Optimized version:

Optimized:

btw theres no way to skip this right? cause there's unfreeze below

ok, i think its impossible, cause no solid ground below without unfreeze + deepfly is disabled in non-dummy modes so can't /team a deep person to hammer explosion

I wasn't sure so I put two stoppers there

but it seems to me that there is no option to skip this

to be sure, i can do this

ok nvm this doesnt work

i think its fine

im 90% sure its unskippable without some insane setup, but if u rly want to fix it just put the entire line as stoppers or just put one way tele from top to bottom somehow

lets leave it as it is. At most we will learn something new about this game

Thanks to everyone for the time you spent testing the map

I'm going crazy

fix that

Can we normalize not leaving skip potential untouched in testing these days

this one

ah i realised

thanks welf

making me look schizo

i am sorry

i asked what the skip is, bencie is not schizo (at least not based on this chat)

eeh, theres no sg and deepfly is disabled, so its only skippable if you can sync up 10 to 20 hammers

and this same skip is on a bunch of other maps too iirc. if you are indeed going crazy its ez fix though

Just fix it

We only got 2 weeks anyway and it is 100 % possible

Didn't look that skippable to me but I also can't test it without 5-10 other players.

But sure, can go safe with a one way tele.

So is anyone going to fix that

Sure, I'll fix it

Thanks, appreciate it

When will you be able to do it? Would be nice if it can be done before the grace period ends.

its just adding 10 or smth blocks i think its not a lot of work for someone else to do or can only he change it?

Post-release updates need to be uploaded manually. Please reach out to an administrator.

done

Thank you.

Optimized version:

Only exchanged the drop from finish to spawn for a tele to prevent any potential skips.

should be good

Yep, thanks. :)

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