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👍 🍆 🧽 🐢 good map

cool map

great idea :p

hard map

un can skip last part like this

cool idea

I felt like there might be something like that somewhere. I'll close this skip, thanks.

added more unhook and kill tiles to close the skipping possibilities

Coke alt account?

https://ddnet.org/testlogs/show/Killtaps

I haven't seen this map, because at that time I hadn't looked at submit maps yet

Ye all good just wanted to give you context to what lolkildal wrote^^

gl, but I can smell the instant decline

I hope it is accepted

Copy of ur map xD

Copy of aoe's map, I made it with a bit of variation 😁

😮

ah lol xD

Speedwalk edge map :0

if you don't have enough testers or they don't have enough time, I could test my map myself or become a trial tester🌚

the fact that it's not the perfect jump timing trigger me

i rq the map

what is rq?

making perfect timing for every jump would be too boring in my opinion

Rage quit

you claim that you didn't test the map beforehand?

You are not allowed to evaluate your own maps. :) Feel free to test other maps though.

it was a joke, besides of course i tested my map and even made a video about it, but even being a tester I wouldn't make a decision on it

but i'm still wondering what's the fate of my map?

There are some maps in testing for months now. You'll know about yours when the time comes. ^^

Your map is probably getting rejected anyways it is kind of confusing later on with more jumps on where to go

did you play it?

You don't mean to say that the map should be like this?

best tester here, i havent played the map but the name sounds cool, $release

Watched my friend playing this, he got annoyed pretty quickly by one inconsistent edge spike and kept dying at more jumps

After 2 hours he rqed said the map is bad

If you would map something like this, then i suggest you to posting it into DDRock

i don't know what ddrock is and i don't really want to know, but thanks for the advice. can you tell me what your friend's nickname is?

I can also say that there are maps in ddnet that I don't like, but other people might like, this is because it's hard to please every player

Ok

besides, if you don't like specific moments in the map, for example, some jump is not convenient enough, that's why these channels exist, where you can write what was bad to play, so that mappers can analyze these moments and, if necessary, make changes

but i definitely know players who have completed the map and liked it, just like you have a friend who didn't like it

map is just mega annoying to finish and the map is basically just timing your last dj to toe tap, adding more jumps doesnt really add any value to the gameplay itself, no swings,no weaps, no special tiles (except the more dj tiles), this map is a worse iteration of cokes map

i would decline it but maybe some other testers have other opinions

No I pretty much agree with what's said here, Spamming a single mechanic isn't really something fun with it being just based off of a single thing (e.g timing in this case)

Seems like you put quite some work in this map. I do think you could evaluate the entire gameplay further by just not having it be based on a single mechanic. Or add a valuable twist to it. By agreeing with IKU I will decline this, if any tester feels like picking this up nonetheless go ahead and just reset it

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the map is extremely simple in terms of its implementation and contains one mechanic with the goal that many players simply have fun jumping along the edges, and also making about 25 jumps without mistakes is a kind of challenge that personally did not let me tear myself away from this map during the creation process.

adding other mechanics was not envisaged in this map, because its very concept is a regular jump back and forth. swings and other mechanics can make the jump even more random in my opinion, unless of course you change kills to freezes, but I'm not interested in this.

nevertheless, the map has some of its own specific timings for each party with a different number of jumps, as well as several complex jumps, the execution of which depends on your skill, which can be trained in practice.

in my opinion, the irritation from this map can only be associated with the fact that it looks easier than it is played. I played too many maps that irritated me, but someone had already released them, and the fact that I specifically couldn't complete something and it irritates me is only a lack of my skill and my nerves.

In your opinion, making a map with one single mechanic is not very fun, as for me, on the contrary, it is balanced for such a small map and fun specifically with this mechanic.

I do not agree with the testers decision, because I do not see it as objective, I only saw advice on how I could betray my personal idea (namely my idea, because I saw the Aoe and Coke maps later than I built this one) and make the map casual and in a more released state, because then it would be easier to complete.

besides, if you show a working random map, then don't doubt that there is logic in it, its section requires the same timings 🙂

we may not be objective because we had a map with the exact same mechanic proposed by someone before which was agreed upon to decline already.

As mentioned by yourself in this channel before.

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Testing is bound to have us test, evaluate and release/decline/work on these maps. now, as I and IKU mentioned maybe some other testers disagrees. Tho the map in itself is a clear f4 to me gameplay wise.

im not sure if u know how toe taps work but if you dj about 3,5 tiles below the kill edge it will always do a toe tap

meaning only the last dj matters

and the timing is the exact same for all the edges

the timing of the edges may be the same, if I didn't know about it, I wouldn't have made this map, but the timing of the additional jumps before the last one may be different. but why are you telling me this if that was the idea of ​​the map?

if you have more jumps u can use all your dj's to get max height and then time the last one

ok, so what next? if you understand that, then you can play the map and get the finish

if that's boring for you, you don't have to play the map, but there are players who find it fun

even if its fun for someone the gameplay is still really uncreative

definetly not up to standards

you mean those standards that are constantly changing and mostly too high for regular mappers like me? did these maps also follow the standard or were they turned a blind eye to them during testing?

😮

they were event maps, only like 2-3 ppl could test them (i would have declined most of them), but keep yapping not gonna change anything

XD

stay mad

it's funny to watch the "arguments", what about planet 9 in that case?

many ppl wanted that map, and how can you compare your map to that? different style, different mode, everything different

I am not comparing the map and have not done so before, I am just telling you about the standards

and you act like im the only person in this universe who would decline this, trust me 90% of the players wouldnt want this to be released

trust me, 90% will want the map to be released - i can say the same, but neither you nor i can speak for the other 90% of people, don't judge people by yourself, you need to work on your ego

true i have big ego, but i definetly wont work on it

gl on your next map!

good luck, I hope it won't be tested by the testers who released 0.5 maps

This map is sick

10/10 would decline

Nice try tho

hi melon

Not even the absolute best maps ever released would get a 90% acceptance rate by the community, you're lucky if every second person doesn't mind it's existence

Kinda high ego of you to think your map is THAT good ngl...

I'm very glad to hear this, but it's not 90% of people who decide everything, but 3.5 people who have 3 maps issued in total and some of them have an ego and can't even communicate normally with other players

You've probably missed the point of the dialogue, I haven't defended my map for a long time, but the "standards" your colleague is talking about are too vague and his arguments are mostly empty.

This is a joke, don't do that.

No idea what to tell you really

as the best tester here, i would release the map

The standards sit within already released maps. (apart from the last event, we don't talk about that)

The gameplay Is one sided, boring, it's a single mechanic where I'm able to eat chips with my right hand.

believe me, I'm not talking about poor testing because my map was rejected and I'm upset, I don't care about that, I just see in general how it happens with many maps, the standards that IKU talks about are so vague that, if desired, you can reject almost anything, and also accept everything that anything. I see it as unfair that testers demand high quality after they release very low-quality maps, justifying themselves with an event

why do all the testers refuse to talk about the event but allowed this phenomenon? 😄

All the testers ? You seem uninvolved with that statement, so idk.

Yes we're justifying the event, because it was rushed, not planned at all and completely overthrown by a single person without any notice towards the actual event mappers and testers.

I won't evaluate further.

We are STILL planning on doing something else with the event maps at the moment, FyI.

just delete them and take the points

What about most people who played these maps because they gave points then, many people stated they wouldn't have played them if they were 0 points.

Invalidating someone's effort because of a hiccup is just not durable.

you can wait until April 1st and move all maps to the fun section like you did it with "Good Movement"

ragebait

take the decline like a good boy and work on something different. you cant expect your first map to be accepted, and definitely not when its this repetetive

im muting this channel

Played the map and while it was alright in practice, i wouldnt want to do the same trick hundreds of times in actual runs, please mix it with some other stuff

On the topic of event maps - everyone already dunked on them, yes half of them have non existent quality but this doesnt mean that from now on everything similar should be released. This isnt even the first time this happens - ddnet advent had the same problem, so i wouldnt make your agrument revolve around these

another person who thinks it's a specific issue with this map and not with testing in general wtf

the solution is to not force release a map every day for a month xD there were already good maps in the pool and if you were to cut the selection in half or even 1/3 it wouldnt hurt the event now more and more ppl need to play bouncyhold or another encore cuz they will give points forever

i think they gave really good arguments as to why this is not releasable, but being the mapper is of course gonna give you some bias

yes, I haven't cared for a long time that the map was rejected, I spent a day on it and am already making a better version and I don't care if some ego tester doesn't like it, I like doing it for myself, but I don't like the system of testing and releasing maps in general and you are not the first person to whom I am telling this, why are you all focusing specifically on the rejection of this map

maybe we focus because you cant accept it and keep arguing

any other tester is free to un-decline it, but the 2 testers so far have agreed so thgeres still hope i guess

blya ne eto pizdec mne bolshe nechego skazat` poshel nahuy etot perevodchik ya zaebalsya bb gl

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What do you not like about the testing system? You map was repetitive and it was declined, Planet 9 is not repetitive and well thought out so it got released (even tho some testers were against it). You said yourself that it took you 1 day to make this

What about "Good movement" by texnonik then? I was playing to get my 50 points, but it became 0

Ahahahah

april fools maps are very obviously exceptions

I think all last welf maps that u release r exceptions. Delete them pls

looks like u never tested any maps in this discord previously so i'm gonna ignore ur opinion from now on

Bouncehold

anyways, i played a bit this map, it was alright but also feels like a 'practice/training map' and not something that fits ddnet standards

obviously standards are objective, otherwise we would make a bot that can automatically decide if a map should be released or not

Can I see ur ddnet profile, please?

no.

if you are an old mapper tester, then you have a better chance of release than a regular mapper 🙂

if you have an issue with the map quality of some testers u can bring it up, but don't cite the xmas event since event maps aren't held thru the same process as normal releases. admins are deciding on what to do with event maps that don't meet the standards of normal releases so it's not like they're all going to stay in the normal release pool

If u have a same nickname as in discord I have no idea what to say, Mr.tester

probably cuz experienced mappers make better/more polished maps on average

that what u can't spread on welf, he's still doing bullshit

especially welf

XD

if u have an issue with welf maps then u should go test them and give ur criticism instead of complaining here

The gameplay Is one sided, boring, it's a single mechanic where I'm able to eat chips with my right hand.

You are saying that like it's a bad thing.

😋

because on average experienced cartographers and old gamers in general have long been familiar with everyone around and have a greater right to vote

cartographers xD

it called "mappers" Romka

da poebat` mne uje

Use English and stop swearing please.

last non-event Welf's releases are very solid, if you have problems with them then list these issues in

or

in construcitve form

i cant

get testing role in