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minor fixes

Thanks for showing me around the map! I thought there were some cool tricks, but times where it felt like it wanted to be t0 and then others that said no t0 ever makes it to the end of this. I already let you know that the arrow indicator seems kinda useless. I promise ppl who learn the map will learn how the setups work or find there own. I think you could make this more t0 friendly by removing some of the kills and putting in long freezes to block t0 cheats. I think this or just make it a duo force. Last thing I though the sun was a bit bright on the already bright background. Tiles are nice though.

I have played on the 1st floor of this map The map not for t0, for 2 ppl is boring. I don't want to see a map like this on ddnet. Most parts feel like I already saw on diff map. for me its decline

empty map

minor fixes, changed few parts

I think they need new testers... don't they?

terrible t0

2p too long

boring parts(copy and pasted)

So simple the layout also

this maps seems like a t0 map in some parts but there are parts i cant ever see a t0 pass without at least a few deaths i think if you would remove a few kill tiles this map would be playeable but not enjoyable, but i dont see it getting released in its current state, gl!

no logo or mapper credits? ;) map deserves it

i definitely agree with the prior feedback of the map not really choosing to be t0 or 2p, but i think this map would benefit from a "t0 map" image so most of the following test will be directed towards making this map more t0 compatible

but i do not agree with the prior feedback of the map being "boring" since many parts are well thought out and the map is overall very cleanly mapped

this might be the most underrated map in testing rn imo

just add 2 hookables, no need for the noobfilter to be unnecessarily annoying

if we are gonna make this a t0 compatible map we will have to delete this first part. its prime blocking example for a t0 map. this aint healthy. since the parts small anyway i would just recommend u to scrap it alltogether (the part following after this is good enough)

1 tile to the right pls. rn the throw is a bit tight (if not done from a flight)

cool part however theres many ways to skip it, i can do it pretty consistently, maybe u could close the upperway and just force everyone to go through the bottom way

drag is easily skippable with fly but i guess its not worth the risk

this is too punishing imo, you should elevate the first wall a bit and remove the kill near the unfreeze

although it is possible to solo the back rn (with multiple kill edges) i would recommend u to make it a whole lot easier by for example removing the marked kill tile and adding a hookable right under. backing is necessary for a "hard" t0 map like this one and it will happen a lot so its necessary for the rls of this map

remove freeze (+ kill if u wanna) and add a hookable for solo-back

should definitely make this a freeze pit instead of death pit for t0

pretty easy skip when both go up

if im doing this part right, its wayyyy too punishing. you should definitely indicate what the person needs to press. the kill should be removed (could replace it with a (un)hookable) and there needs to be more space (remove 1 freeze) to hammer cause rn its too hard

you could also just make it possible to hook + hammer at the start. its more natural than the weird setup anyway

1 tile to the left, rn its too punishing

the killtile is too punishing for t0

this one too

love this part, flows extremely well

in t0 u can skip this part pretty easily with a bunch of people --> aled. i will also send another way to skip the part in 2p (after ive sent all pictures)

this drag part is amazingly mapped

remove kill tile for better t0 accessability since that place will be crowded and ppl will need to be hooked out

show indicators for button presses

alright while we are at it, you should also remove these. drag part will be near impossible in t0 if u dont remove these since otherwise a lot of people cant be dragged to the other side

indicate where to hammer AND what buttons to press

remove kill and leave wall without freeze for t0 to rest

im not sure if this should be possible or if u want to force people to fall down and use the swing instead

heres version 2 of the skip in 2p of the beforementioned skip in the pictures

looks like not too many changes have been suggested. the map is now more t0 compatible while keeping the difficulty ceiling.

would love to see this map on live servers

hope other testers give it a shot

You also could add a wall so he cant get far enough to the platform. So everything stays the same

thanks for an actual test, it's been only 5 years

0: maybe i'll add logo 1: idk what is the issue, you spawn right on the hookable 2: fixed 3: works perfectly idk 4: fixed 6: fixed 7,8: 2 can wait and fall to wall idk 9: meant to be 2p fly, it's just a fly i don't see a problem 10: not much easier than real way to me 11: how on earth are you doing the part? 13: i don't get it, nothing hard to me 14: it's necessary for the part 15: not the problem to me 19: i don't get it 20: it'll look awful if there will be tutorial what to press, there are many similar parts on other maps with no indicators 21: what does impossible in t0 even mean, it's just a 2p part 22: ^2 23: rest somewhere else idk 24: fixed

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i think you should really change a few more things he suggested since the problems with the map still remain, its a t0 map but has too many 2 player parts that if one messes up both die but its too long for a 2p map, so id recommend to remove some kill tiles and put the ppl that failed somewhere where they can be rescued by those who did the partif you would do that i think it would be a cool map. GL!

what's the concept ? your answer will determine if it's a decline

like hh map ? or 2p map

Most of the map seems fine but the start is misleading

chaos

dw he is joking

yes i'm joking it's decline anyway 😈

decline master atacks

the concept is a map which people can play however they want, but if making it 2p forced will reduce a headache for me i can do it

changed questionable parts

huge changes, made more 2p'able

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maybe he changed a lot, also I dont play challenging maps and aalso he showed me everything but that being said, parts felt great and fresh. idk about teamforce but one thing is certain: while I would suffer spectating t0 on this map I'd love to see 2p teams suffer

There really have been huge changes already and the map is much better now I'd like to have some other tester opinions on this (esp. regarding repetitive moves and 2p-playability / t0 parts because it's much better but I'm unsure about whether that's enough already) Non-tester opinions are also welcome of course!

okay played again first floor and now its not seems boring like before, its defiantly better.

Also i tihnk this map dont need team force its very good for t0 racing.

this is what i find on first floor.

This jump is too precise for no reason. I want to add two tiles. This jump isn't hard, but everyone needs to do it. Out of a group of ten people, one to three will die here. I don't like this death. It's just a jump.

No spectator space for T0.

this fell weird cus look like u need use green way instead red, but if u do that u will drag into kill. i like more green one but need remap a little bit

Also, I don't know if it's an intended hook, but I don't like it when you short-hook and he falls down. What a waste of time

Mitosers

added hints for 2 setups, changed one part

(ignore this)

skip

add back here if fail

guide where to fall

still works

wonderfully mapped, i liked it

i agree with this opinion for t0

1,2. speedups

3. t0 mercy
4. made non lethal if missed hammer (still fail for duo)
5. skip fixed

huge changes 1,2. swapped parts, i think it's better

3. overworked part
4. made the part in a way so only one can go at a time
5. i know it's nonsense but i couldn't do better to fix the skip i hope it's fine
6. forced wall hammer
7. made way back if missed hammer + small addition
8. improved hints. i hope. please

why not do that

i didn't want to mess up with setup but it's a good idea

1. small changes
2. fixed skip in a better way
3. added solo on spawn for fun

https://youtu.be/JTpDgvpqOak?si=Seay9bqHT1_K3yHl

i think this should be fixed, because it is less faily than the actual part

also, add more freeze to avoid boating

maybe lower freeze for make easier to get dj

It's 100 times harder and more faily than actual part no?

but can avoid 'edgehook or die' part

There is no edgehooks and whole part mostly requires one hook from a down guy

yeah sry i see the video and realized that i was wrong

then no need to fix

but you can also fix it because it is easy to keep

anyway its up to you

I was thinking about that but I really don't know since only one needs dj and it kinda works fine

this is insane map?

No, brutal

corner

i was lied to

cut down layer sizes in all directions, this is a lot

it is moved down right intentionally for 1 part

yeah my bad i forgot that the position of the map messes with autoplay, not sure how things are dealt with usually, any tester opinions?

i'm fine for an exception but you can at least cut off the right and the bottom

any potato will be able to handle this

optimized

yippie (moving the map would ruin the autoplay setups so it's not an option)

nearly 4kb!

🐴

see?

very important! save the files

ddnet has 1 million active players cough so 4kb*1.000.000 is a lot

not more than 10k

overrating it

maybe 4k

i'm joking

im not

<t:1788004800:F> works for you?

yes

Concurrent players != total players

So what Welf said could be accurate

but not whole million

tbh i said active players

i have this funny little thing where i replaced the L in my name with an i so there are at least 3 million entries in the database

but yeah if analysing data usage seriously you probably want to calculate possible future scenarios

Probably not 😄 but we have 25-30k finishes a day on average and thats just finishes so unique players is most likely quite high

you need to have some fun map finished

i dont want to know how many of these daily map finishes are made by dummies

let me guess, half

And troll names

why are solo and unsolo marked the same

lul

also there's only one timecp

not sure if intentional

Not an issue

Crazy find but i probably keep it

There are multiple, I think 4 in total

uhh yes i just missed them

fixed corner, added logo

hi

thanks

updated

rerate

this is not on the same level as rude buster which is also 4 star

this is 5*

cerberus level

I agree, I wonder what dumbass rated it 4* 🦤

bit late xd

yeah there seems to be a bug that cant be fixed yet but it's on the list

Rude Buster 3*

Rerate also 🤣

yes but this isnt for disussion here

Ok daddy