08:46 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> oh, nobody talks :frozen: I had thought that my bridge bot crashed.
09:39 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @soulyvevo did you publish your svgs somewhere? I can offer you to create a repo in the TeeworldsDB org if you want to dump stuff there https://github.com/TeeworldsDB
09:43 <+bridge_> <Assa> our benchmark command just failed for me on ubuntu for springlobe 4, instead of starting the demo it just went into the menu screen 🤔
09:45 <+bridge_> <Fussel> Your compiler just optimized the FPS :happy:
09:45 <+bridge_> <Assa> but menu fps is limited to 60 by default
09:45 <+bridge_> <Assa> I am pretty sure I did something wrong, i.e. missing demo or something
09:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> no it's present :justatest:
09:46 <+bridge_> <Fussel> I can only play with high sense, let's open a github issue to fix this!
09:47 <+bridge_> <Assa> ah nevermind, the demo was not found, because the client is selfbuild and it didn't find the storage.cfg - however I'd like the command to fail instead of getting stuck in the menu
10:23 <+bridge_> <Assa> oh wow github updated the PR view and tries to order them in categories now
10:25 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> can you show a screenshot? I don't see it
10:25 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> maybe some a/b test
10:26 <+bridge_> <Assa> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516720693264388247/Bildschirmfoto_20260617_102614.png?ex=6a33abb8&is=6a325a38&hm=4d8924294b3a3c05090d4c29394bedfefd743aa0fb8496e84435c362c19962b6&
10:27 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> some1 want to send brain on how to not segfault?
10:27 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i know arrays are kinda pointers but i still did not expect a non oob access to segfault
10:27 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> https://github.com/DDNetPP/DDNetPP/blob/25d616fa6709794de3bcc4e554365f335cfb6642/src/engine/server/server.cpp#L4037
10:27 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i segfault here with i being 18
10:28 <+bridge_> <Assa> do you think github detects that I am on cachy and therefore like bleeding edge and beeing a guinea pig?
10:28 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> no xd
10:28 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> heinrich is right they do a/b testing
10:28 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i noticed it too while multi accounting
10:29 <+bridge_> <Assa> this can still be a/b testing, but just not randomized
10:29 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> tru
10:29 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> arrays are not pointers. that's a common misconception :/
10:29 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> o
10:29 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> the problem is that there are two quirks where C makes arrays look like pointers
10:30 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i se
10:30 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> one: `array` is equivalent to writing `&array[0]` (which is a pointer) in some cases
10:30 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> but still accessing an array should not crash should it
10:30 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> so the issue has to be somewhere else i assume
10:30 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> maybe `this` is wrong?
10:30 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> yw
10:30 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> how do i check :D
10:30 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> `print this`
10:30 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> in gdb
10:30 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> oke
10:31 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> two: you literally can't pass an array by-value in C —unlike all the other types
10:31 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> when you try to pass an array by-value, C adds another pointer indirection to it
10:31 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> `$1 = (CServer * const) 0x7ffff490c010`
10:31 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> print *this
10:31 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> `print *this`
10:31 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> is it good or bad? xd
10:31 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> a
10:31 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> `❌ value of type`CServer' requires 25432192 bytes, which is more than max-value-size\`
10:31 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> too fat
10:32 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> ^^
10:32 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i guess i can print other members
10:32 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> `set max-value-size unlimited`
10:32 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> omg help
10:32 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> heinrich wants my pc to explode
10:32 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> oke i will do it
10:32 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> 😄
10:32 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> didnt explode
10:33 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> `CServer` is kinda heavy at 25 MiB 😄
10:33 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i see lots of variables with reasonable values
10:33 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> \`$4 = {\<IServer> = {\<IInterface> = {*vptr.IInterface = 0x5555560add28 \<vtable for CServer+16>, m*pKernel = 0x5555564cc0a0}, m\_CurrentGameTick = 0}, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>   m*pLua = 0x55555652cd40, m*pDDPPConnectionPool = 0x5555564cac60, m*pGameServer = 0x7ffff40a6010, m*pConfig = 0x5555564876e0 \<g*Config>, m*pConsole = 0x5555564e04a0, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>   m*pHttp = 0x5555564dfd50, m*pStorage = 0x5555564e1ce0, m*pAntibot = 0x555556525210, m*pRegister = 0x55555654c950, m\_pEngine = 0x5555564cc0f0, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>   m*ConnLoggingDestAddr = {sun*family = 0, sun*path = '\\000' \<repeats 107 times>}, m*ConnLoggingSocketCreated = false, m\_ConnLoggingSocket = 0, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>   m*pConnectionPool = 0x5555564c92a0, m*PreviousDebugDummies = 0, m*aClients = {{m*State = 0, m*Latency = 0, m*SnapRate = 0, m*Traffic = 0, m*TrafficSince = 0, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>       m*LastAckedSnapshot = 0, m*LastInputTick = 0, m*Snapshots = {m*pFirst = 0x0, m*pLast = 0x0}, m*LastPreInput = {static ms*MsgId = 65614, m*Direction = 0, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>         m*TargetX = 0, m*TargetY = 0, m*Jump = 0, m*Fire = 0, m*Hook = 0, m*WantedWeapon = 0, m*NextWeapon = 0, m*PrevWeapon = 0, m*Owner = 0, m*IntendedTick = 0}, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>       m*LatestInput = {m*aData = {0 \<repeats 128 times>}, m*GameTick = 0}, m*aInputs = {{m*aData = {0 \<repeats 128 times>}, m*GameTick = 0} \<repeats 200 times>}, 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>       m*CurrentInput = 0, m*aName = '\\000' \<repeats 15 times>, m*aClan = '\\000' \<repeats 11 times>, m*Country = -1, m\_Score = std::optional [no contained value], 
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon>       m*AuthKey = -1, m*AuthTries = 0, m*AuthHidden = false, m*NextMapChunk = 0, m*Flags = 0, m*ShowIps = false, m\_DebugDummy = false,\`
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i feel like i am looking at this from the wrong direction
10:34 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i do have one line of code i can add and remove which toggles the crash
10:37 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> wait
10:37 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> you don't know it crashes in that line?
10:37 <+bridge_> <Assa> I am currently expanding my benchmarking repository and can now benchmark current master and a PR ID almost automatically ^.^
10:37 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> so
10:37 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i do have a line of code which if i remove it it stops crashing
10:37 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> idk why the line is bad so i run gdb
10:38 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> and gdb told me this demo recorder line which confuses me
10:38 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> does the binary match your source code?
10:38 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> try rebuilding everything
10:38 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> before we go down a rabbit hole
10:41 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> e
10:41 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> it stopped segmentation faulting xd
10:42 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> after the rebuild?
10:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> yea
10:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> but i dont believe it quite yet
10:42 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> ^^
10:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> the issue is from may
10:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> so `make clean` does still segfault
10:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> only the new build dir does not
10:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> ah ofc
10:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> im stupid haha
10:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> the new build dir does not have the crashing code sec
10:43 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> the crashing code is lua code in the build dir^^
10:45 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> ok i now verified it
10:45 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> same line
10:45 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> in general `make clean` should be good enough for most build errors right?
11:01 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> oh neat i did find a array OOB
11:02 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I was iterating MAX*CLIENTS somewhere and the loop would set things in m*aSlots which is only 64 big not 128
11:02 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/a09c608d4241126fd2e1c11b805af0f8fe047971/src/engine/shared/network.h#L432
11:02 <+bridge_> <Fussel> accessing an array can easily yield a segfault
11:02 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> ye?
11:02 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> how so
11:03 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i can only think of OOB or C++ operator overloading
11:03 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> or an array of pointer where it can be null
11:03 <+bridge_> <Fussel> ```cpp
11:03 <+bridge_> <Fussel> int bla[4];
11:03 <+bridge_> <Fussel> cout << bla[4] << endl;
11:03 <+bridge_> <Fussel> ```
11:03 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> yes but thats out of bounds
11:03 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> my access was at index 18 and the array size is 130
11:03 <+bridge_> <Fussel> and since you found a C array, you can now replace it by `std::array` :>
11:04 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> ??
11:05 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> that's unlikely to yield a segfault btw
11:06 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> because `bla[4]` is still on the stack. more likely to give a garbage value
11:07 <+bridge_> <Fussel> When you pass an array to to a function you get a so called "array to pointer decay", and C arrays don't know their size. `std::array` knows its size, you can just iterate over it with `for (auto const& entry : the_array)` without bothering about OOB.
11:07 <+bridge_> <Fussel> When you pass an array to a function you get a so called "array to pointer decay", and C arrays don't know their size. `std::array` knows its size, you can just iterate over it with `for (auto const& entry : the_array)` without bothering about OOB.
11:08 <+bridge_> <Fussel> The only disadvantage of this replacement is that `std::array` must know it's number of elements at compile time
11:10 <+bridge_> <Fussel> The only disadvantage of this replacement is that `std::array` must know its number of elements at compile time
11:11 <+bridge_> <Fussel> (if properly implemented, it's size value doesn't occupy memory)
11:12 <+bridge_> <Fussel> (if properly implemented, its size value doesn't occupy memory)
11:14 <+bridge_> <murpi> "in that voice" over text always reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naleynXS7yo
11:14 <+bridge_> <murpi> "in that voice" over text always reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naleynXS7yo
11:30 <+bridge_> <Assa> do you consider this benchmark beeing readable?
11:30 <+bridge_> <Assa> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516736707641344101/Benchmark-12275.png?ex=6a33baa2&is=6a326922&hm=ebb5d1adb0d7653447e51b279fabe4cf147986b29a8d626cace4c892cb5f68b6&
11:30 <+bridge_> <Assa> I'd say no, ideally we'd have a boxplot I think, but I don't want to create a boxplot for each map
11:31 <+bridge_> <Assa> or I would put all data into one boxplot - but I don't know if this is reasonable
11:36 <+bridge_> <Assa> I assume this is better, with just 2 columns
11:36 <+bridge_> <Assa> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516738338327892109/Benchmark-12275.png?ex=6a33bc27&is=6a326aa7&hm=89e60b875c191116d11ee2a9adfa432848a830060420c0c3ca5cf2e5fa0f4683&
11:37 <+bridge_> <Assa> what an FPS span btw, from 2000 to 6000
11:40 <+bridge_> <Assa> how did KingsLeap get better, the map has no entities :thonk:
12:17 <+bridge_> <Assa> maybe some kind of earlier exit
12:34 <+bridge_> <learath2> This tighter layout looks better, and I think it is readable
12:53 <+bridge_> <teero777> am i tripping or are the arrows different colors
12:53 <+bridge_> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516757698325123092/image.png?ex=6a33ce2f&is=6a327caf&hm=dc51761c921e9016a51ac5a32a631bd20ac6709300b1b096fd843a64da492af5&
12:54 <+bridge_> <Assa> orange green yellow
12:54 <+bridge_> <Assa> both
12:56 <+bridge_> <teero777> @essigautomat do you want a 20h video of tas for every ddnet race map
12:57 <+bridge_> <teero777> @essigautomat do you want a 20h video of tas of every ddnet race map
12:57 <+bridge_> <teero777> they are usually pretty satisfying to watch
12:58 <+bridge_> <Assa> As a maintainer, I can't approve of such frivolous activities :justatest:  ||pm me link||
12:59 <+bridge_> <teero777> not done yet but soon
13:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> this view is actually amazing, great++, love that I see what I am marked to review, this is basically a TODO list for me
13:11 <+bridge_> <0xdeen> just show the numbers and how many % improvements for each in a table, no need for a graph
13:20 <+bridge_> <learath2> How did I not think of that lol, this looks weird because there are only 2 data points, definitely doesn't need a to be graphed 😄
13:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> you mean in a table?
13:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> 
13:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```md
13:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> |                             | map                | version   |   #frames |   FT avg. (µs) |   FT min (µs) |   FT max (µs) |   AVG FPS |   worst 0.01 FPS |   worst 0.001 FPS |
13:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> |:----------------------------|:-------------------|:----------|----------:|---------------:|--------------:|--------------:|----------:|-----------------:|------------------:|
13:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> | master-Abyss                | Abyss              | master    |     55061 |        490.35  |            94 |         50493 |   2039.36 |          881.717 |           488.013 |
13:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> | PR-12272-Abyss              | Abyss              | PR-12272  |     55119 |        488.779 |            93 |          1791 |   2045.92 |          956.599 |           909.211 |
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> | master-KingsLeap            | KingsLeap          | master    |    117161 |        250.61  |            94 |         54521 |   3990.27 |         2239.51  |           995.863 |
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> | PR-12272-KingsLeap          | KingsLeap          | PR-12272  |    114892 |        255.631 |            69 |         57141 |   3911.88 |         2224.62  |           972.895 |
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> | master-Linear               | Linear             | master    |    173563 |        171.307 |            35 |           872 |   5837.48 |         3512.42  |          2960.91  |
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> | PR-12272-Linear             | Linear             | PR-12272  |    175192 |        169.562 |            49 |           915 |   5897.54 |         3559.35  |          2983.34  |
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> | master-Mud                  | Mud                | master    |    142734 |        208.36  |            86 |          2101 |   4799.38 |         3009.9   |          2439.65  |
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> | PR-12272-Mud                | Mud                | PR-12272  |    143699 |        206.79  |            86 |          2128 |   4835.83 |         3046.51  |          2421.27  |
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> ...
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
13:21 <+bridge_> <learath2> How did I not think of that lol, this looks weird because there are only 2 data points, definitely doesn't need to be graphed 😄
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> (note, this is another PR)
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> I don't know if this is better readable tbh
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> I guess I could add percentages here
13:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> I guess I could add percentages here and remove the absolutes
13:22 <+bridge_> <teero777> ye
13:22 <+bridge_> <learath2> group the rows by map, have columns for "master" and "pr"
13:23 <+bridge_> <learath2> Don't have so many columns, avg fps master, avg fps pr, percent improvement. You could have this extra information table with the 1% lows and stuff in a spoiler
13:27 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> which version should i use for my custom client
13:27 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> 19.8.3 and 19.8.2 is crashes randomly when joining servers
13:37 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @rei_ayanami_tee: could you try latest master and see if it crashes too?
13:37 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> ye its
13:37 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> What even crashes? Your custom client or the official ddnet server?
13:38 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> client
13:38 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> client
13:38 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Well if it is a custom client then the issue is probably in your code
13:38 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Is your client code public?
13:38 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> no its not edited alr
13:39 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> it will
13:39 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> You said it’s custom
13:39 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> it will custom
13:39 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> but normal github build crashes in sum servers
13:39 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Ah
13:39 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I think i get it now
13:39 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Could you share the crashing?
13:39 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Crash log\*
13:39 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Do you have a backtrace?
13:39 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> its not giving a crash log
13:40 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Then run it with a debugger
13:40 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> right
13:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> Like this?
13:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```md
13:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> | map                |   FT avg. µs (%) |   AVG FPS (%) |   worst 0.01 FPS (%) |   worst 0.001 FPS (%) |
13:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> |:-------------------|-----------------:|--------------:|---------------------:|----------------------:|
13:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Abyss              |        -0.320473 |      0.321504 |             8.49275  |             86.3089   |
13:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> | KingsLeap          |         2.0038   |     -1.96444  |            -0.664886 |             -2.30633  |
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Linear             |        -1.01832  |      1.0288   |             1.33618  |              0.757715 |
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Mud                |        -0.753574 |      0.759295 |             1.2163   |             -0.75365  |
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Victory 2          |         0.110316 |     -0.110195 |            -1.14374  |              7.03953  |
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> | run_world_war_zero |         0.14418  |     -0.143973 |             0.286334 |             -3.03751  |
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> | ctf1               |        -2.17538  |      2.22375  |            -3.27187  |            -17.7198   |
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Springlobe4        |        -0.690246 |      0.695043 |             2.72973  |              4.65808  |
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
13:42 <+bridge_> <learath2> I guess just percentages also work
13:42 <+bridge_> <learath2> I would round to like 1,2 significant digits though
13:42 <+bridge_> <learath2> I would round to like 1 or 2 significant digits though
13:42 <+bridge_> <Assa> (note: this benchmark shows, that the change doesn't decrease performance which was the goal)
13:43 <+bridge_> <learath2> Except for KingsLeap?
13:44 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @rei_ayanami_tee: and did you get it to crash again?
13:45 <+bridge_> <Assa> +- 2% seems to be just the variance
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> Like this?
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```md
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | map                |   FT avg. µs (%) |   AVG FPS (%) |   worst 0.01 FPS (%) |   worst 0.001 FPS (%) |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> |:-------------------|-----------------:|--------------:|---------------------:|----------------------:|
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Abyss              |            -0.32 |          0.32 |                 8.49 |                 86.31 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | KingsLeap          |             2    |         -1.96 |                -0.66 |                 -2.31 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Linear             |            -1.02 |          1.03 |                 1.34 |                  0.76 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Mud                |            -0.75 |          0.76 |                 1.22 |                 -0.75 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Victory 2          |             0.11 |         -0.11 |                -1.14 |                  7.04 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | run_world_war_zero |             0.14 |         -0.14 |                 0.29 |                 -3.04 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | ctf1               |            -2.18 |          2.22 |                -3.27 |                -17.72 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Springlobe4        |            -0.69 |          0.7  |                 2.73 |                  4.66 |
13:46 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
13:52 <+bridge_> <Assa> the other PR actually shows improvements for some maps:
13:52 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
13:52 <+bridge_> <Assa> | map                |   FT avg. µs (%) |   AVG FPS (%) |   worst 0.01 FPS (%) |   worst 0.001 FPS (%) |
13:52 <+bridge_> <Assa> |:-------------------|-----------------:|--------------:|---------------------:|----------------------:|
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Abyss              |            -0.5  |          0.5  |                 8.97 |                 90.39 |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | KingsLeap          |            -6.46 |          6.91 |                 1.57 |                  5.99 |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Linear             |            -0.51 |          0.51 |               -10.46 |                -50.75 |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Mud                |            -1.56 |          1.58 |                -0.61 |                 -8.97 |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Victory 2          |            -1.96 |          2    |                 2.49 |                 11.3  |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | run_world_war_zero |             0.9  |         -0.89 |               -11.4  |                -51.74 |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | ctf1               |            -4.58 |          4.8  |                -3.06 |                -18.84 |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> | Springlobe4        |            -6.93 |          7.44 |                 4.08 |                -27.34 |
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
13:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> I am pretty sure, my worst 0.01 and worst 0.001 are too unreliable for actual data
13:53 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> im downloading dependencies rn
13:56 <+bridge_> <Assa> > | KingsLeap          |            -6.46 |          6.91 | 
13:56 <+bridge_> <Assa> I can't explain this one 🤷‍♂️
13:58 <+bridge_> <Assa> the PR contains some cleanup with setting uninitialized variables, maybe that's what causing this
14:01 <+bridge_> <Assa> @qxdfox 
14:01 <+bridge_> <Assa> > Main Map Reloading issue:
14:02 <+bridge_> <Assa> > Reloading map index 0 (main map) practically shuts down and restarts the whole server.
14:02 <+bridge_> <Assa> > So the best way to overcome this, is to not use the main map, but rather have it around as a sort of "hub"
14:02 <+bridge_> <Assa> 
14:02 <+bridge_> <Assa> I got the same idea years ago, imagine a hub where you can choose between all kind of minigames and have a minigame server
14:02 <+bridge_> <Assa> you could connect all of ddnet to just one hub server
14:02 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> 0xf servers implemented it already
14:02 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> 37.230.228.124:8400
14:02 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> if you wanna look at it
14:03 <+bridge_> <Assa> you have been punished for bad client
14:04 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> oh
14:04 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> weird
14:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> ddnet nightly is 20.0
14:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> and not 19.9 or something
14:04 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> it might check the hash
14:05 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> my client on 20.0 works
14:06 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> well this is the lobby
14:06 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516775945317519503/image.png?ex=6a33df2d&is=6a328dad&hm=ef59b7c985e5725aa02493ff38716c2d2a6be574ec342165de9569f224bd4961&
14:06 <+bridge_> <Assa> my nightly might be a few days older, does this matter?
14:06 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> No clue i dont have their source :p
14:07 <+bridge_> <Assa> this makes me want to spoof the client btw
14:07 <+bridge_> <Assa> this is probably more punishing to beta testers than actual cheat clients
14:08 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> probably just some oversight
14:08 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> I also had that
14:08 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> chillerdragon got banned joining my servers on his client
14:11 <+bridge_> <Assa> your servers jut worked for me 🙂
14:11 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> well I fixed it after he told me of course :p
14:11 <+bridge_> <byfox> 👀
14:12 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> Don't you have access to 0xf @byfox ?
14:12 <+bridge_> <byfox> I have :)
14:12 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> fix!
14:16 <+bridge_> <byfox> faulty did not disable the ban on version 20000.
14:18 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> my client sends 20000 though..?
14:18 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> how come I can play
14:19 <+bridge_> <byfox> Honestly, I don't know which trigger you hit, there are a lot of them....
14:19 <+bridge_> <byfox> @0xfaulty
14:26 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> i tried 19.8 it didnt crash
14:27 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> ill try 19.8.2 rn
14:29 <+bridge_> <pluskz> Why is 0xfaulty now named faulty? xd
14:44 <+bridge_> <Assa> tell me if you need me to debug
14:46 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> hm
14:46 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> interesting
15:06 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> 0xf also always flagged me until they added chilerbot backdoor
15:07 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @rei_ayanami_tee: mostly latest master branch is interesting
15:07 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Do you have a crash report now?
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> [365/366] Linking CXX executable DDNet-Server
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> /DDNet/src/base/str.cpp: In Funktion »_ZN12CGameContext7MapScanEPKciiPv.part.0«:
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> /DDNet/src/base/str.cpp:21:9: warning: »__builtin___strncat_chk« angegebene Grenze hängt von der Länge des Quellarguments ab [-Wstringop-overflow=]
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> In Funktion »str_length«,
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa>     eingefügt von »_ZN12CGameContext7MapScanEPKciiPv.part.0« bei /DDNet/src/game/server/gamecontext.cpp:3838:69:
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> /DDNet/src/base/str.cpp:54:20: note: Länge wird hier berechnet
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> [366/366] Linking CXX executable DDNet
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> ```
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> 
15:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> Huh?
15:42 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> no probably it was about my system
15:42 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> i change my os yesterday
15:43 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> > angegebene Grenze hängt von der Länge des Quellarguments ab
15:43 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> mhm mhm
15:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> is that why u have 18k hours on 0xf?
15:48 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> https://ddstats.tw/player/ChillerDragon/activity
15:49 <+bridge_> <Assa> this is a false positive
15:54 <+bridge_> <Fussel> Rumors are that C++ has it's own string class …
15:54 <+bridge_> <Fussel> Rumors are that C++ has its own string class …
15:55 <+bridge_> <Assa> don't let me unpack the std::stringbuilder
15:55 <+bridge_> <Assa> don't let me unpack the std::stringstream
16:15 <+bridge_> <Assa> I wonder how many more PRs are not marked as mine anymore, I already know of 3
16:17 <+bridge_> <Assa> ddnet shows 15 open PRs from me, the overview shows 8. great job github
16:19 <+ChillerDragon> @qxdfox i am pro 0xf farmer what can i say
16:28 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> 👀 chillerdragon test teetui
16:34 <+bridge_> <learath2> Very unlikely any of you will need this, buuut it is a useful tool if you do https://programming.sirrida.de/calcperm.php
16:35 <+bridge_> <learath2> Helps visualize and generate efficient-ish code for bit permutations
16:54 <+ChillerDragon> wot @jxsl13 where release
16:54 <+ChillerDragon> also is it virus?
16:56 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> github.com/jxsl13/teetui
16:56 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> probably less virus than chillerbot-ux 👀
16:57 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> chillerdragon
17:50 <+bridge_> <reitw> @blaiszephyr I wonder how many attacks ddnet gets per day but wtf 💀 under a day, the amount of alerts received
17:50 <+bridge_> <reitw> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516832403987894272/image.png?ex=6a3413c2&is=6a32c242&hm=5e37aad42a06a87f637ee24e03bc000ee7b671d82147caccb2f6136edf42d6db&
17:50 <+bridge_> <melon> ^^
17:51 <+bridge_> <reitw> also rundeck is also another alternative to awx, but never tested
17:52 <+bridge_> <melon> -.-
17:52 <+bridge_> <melon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516832872135262408/image.png?ex=6a341432&is=6a32c2b2&hm=ce8eb3e96c0f3e009b089f0ad23a6ba98676bc85c8ee4dd1f3cc5b1bdeeb4188&
17:52 <+bridge_> <melon> i'm fairly confident me paying 20€ for claude Pro for a month could vibecode a better alternative atp
17:52 <+bridge_> <reitw> hah
17:52 <+bridge_> <reitw> lmaoo
17:52 <+bridge_> <reitw> there's the OSS version
17:53 <+bridge_> <reitw> https://www.rundeck.com/downloads just need to give all your personal info :giga_chad:
17:53 <+bridge_> <melon> :OMEGALUL:
17:53 <+bridge_> <melon> ah yes, FOSS - so free
17:53 <+bridge_> <reitw> :issou:
17:58 <+bridge_> <reitw> why don't you just stick to CLI ?
17:58 <+bridge_> <reitw> why don't you just stick to CLI ? works well that way
18:01 <+bridge_> <reitw> @blaiszephyr Depending on what you're doing you can even do some gitops and play with pipelines to sync your inventory with the latest "playbook updates"
18:24 <+bridge_> <Assa> where tf is my border rendering pr
18:27 <+bridge_> <Assa> this wasn't even listed to me on ddnet by sorting for myself as author: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11203
18:31 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> i can offer running an agent to implement whatever sou want 👀
18:31 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> you*
18:31 <+bridge_> <Assa> I need an agent to find and reconnect my lost PRs due to that aweful github bug
18:32 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> describe the problem in depth 😀
18:32 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> and the content of the pr
18:32 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> and the repo
18:32 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> *rough description of the content
18:36 <+bridge_> <Assa> here is the problem: <https://devactivity.com/insights/github-pr-visibility-glitch-impacting-development-metrics-and-team-productivity/>
18:36 <+bridge_> <Assa> 
18:36 <+bridge_> <Assa> Solution is for me to comment on an invisible PR
18:36 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> gh utility
18:36 <+bridge_> <Assa> I can now go through every branch I have on my gh clone
18:36 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> might help
18:37 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> will check what ai says.
18:39 <+bridge_> <Assa> if your AI is so good, maybe it can do this task I failed with it: <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11203#issuecomment-3588706719>
18:48 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Better would be to open a support ticket so all our PRs are reindexed, otherwise we don't know which already closed PRs are missing from the list: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/193463#discussioncomment-17080039
18:49 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> splitting commits is just rip
18:49 <+bridge_> <robyt3> (Or if GitHub would actually fix the issue for the entire site)
18:53 <+bridge_> <robyt3> You can also get all PRs with the API: https://api.github.com/repos/ddnet/ddnet/pulls?state=open&per_page=100&page=1
18:53 <+bridge_> <robyt3> https://docs.github.com/en/rest/pulls/pulls?apiVersion=2026-03-10
18:55 <+bridge_> <Assa> interesting, this returns 404: https://github.com/repos/ddnet/ddnet/pulls/10514
18:56 <+bridge_> <Assa> maybe the link is not translatable like this from the api ...
18:56 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> you got a yahoo email Assa?
18:56 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> pulls -s
18:57 <+bridge_> <Assa> yes, but this is my trash email
18:57 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> same error
18:57 <+bridge_> <Assa> if you write me there it will not be read and your message will be mixed in between korean pirates and adult toy advertisments
18:58 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> that's what you say
18:58 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> but the reality might  be different
18:58 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> if i send you adult toy ads, that is.
18:59 <+bridge_> <Assa> yes you got me, I love discussing with korean pirates about my windows version
18:59 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> The toy will be called DDoldo
18:59 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> :kek:
19:02 <+bridge_> <robyt3> The `html_url` attribute specifies the viewable URL
19:02 <+ChillerDragon> @jxsl13 did u read any of the code? xd
19:03 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> a littl ebit, why?
19:03 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> the generated code, that is
19:03 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> i mean, i wanted the final thing to be modular and stuff
19:04 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> so that you could add your weird features easily if you wanted 😛
19:06 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> @essigautomat  any of these ring a bell?
19:06 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516851424502222858/Bildschirmfoto_2026-06-17_um_19.05.31.png?ex=6a342579&is=6a32d3f9&hm=d433b229ac5b3901c46a1e251876daac0dd1bc882fff713286d6da72b09c776c&
19:06 <+ChillerDragon> i find it a bit scary to run unaudited code 
19:06 <+ChillerDragon> i browsed the code a bit and it ported all kind of random chillerbot-ux features in there xd
19:06 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> did you audit the whole linux kernel?
19:06 <+ChillerDragon> no but others did audit it for me
19:07 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> why are there still exploits in there?
19:07 <+ChillerDragon> ?xd
19:07 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> in the linux kernel
19:07 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> if they audited it
19:07 <+ChillerDragon> i dont know what to say
19:07 <+ChillerDragon> whats your point
19:07 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> it's about trust.
19:07 <+ChillerDragon> yes it is
19:08 <+ChillerDragon> i trust you
19:08 <+ChillerDragon> but i dont trust your ai
19:08 <+ChillerDragon> xd
19:08 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> and even tho you know that there are vulnerabilities in any software, you still run it.
19:08 <+ChillerDragon> yes
19:08 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> so your point is slightly paradox.
19:08 <+ChillerDragon> no
19:09 <+ChillerDragon> of course human written code will always be full of possible bugs and exploits
19:09 <+bridge_> <melon> AI found system-critical vulnerabilities in the ssh protocol that have been there for over 10 years - which i'd assume is one of the most audited network protocols we have
19:09 <+bridge_> <melon> :topkekMate:
19:09 <+ChillerDragon> but if at least 1 person checked the code and verified it has no bad intent thats good for me
19:09 <+ChillerDragon> your LLM code might upload my entire hard drive to anthropic
19:10 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> anyway. i did your teetui. whether you use it or not and whether you trust that i did my due diligence by iterating over the code multipole times is up to you.
19:10 <+ChillerDragon> a vulnerability needs someone to exploit it
19:10 <+ChillerDragon> i am more concerned about actively malicious code
19:10 <+bridge_> <Assa> some of these are closed
19:10 <+ChillerDragon> @jxsl13 yea its cool thanks
19:10 <+ChillerDragon> i will check it out
19:11 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> the titles D: @essigautomat
19:11 <+ChillerDragon> i will not just run it on my main device right now
19:11 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> any of the titles ring a bell?
19:11 <+bridge_> <Assa> yes they're all mine?
19:11 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> at least the teetui did help me get the twclient hardened and more robust.
19:12 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> any of the titles your rendering pr?
19:12 <+bridge_> <Assa> I often do "<PR-type>: <title>"
19:13 <+bridge_> <Assa> oh the rendering PR is back
19:13 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> is there my comment there?
19:13 <+bridge_> <Assa> because I commented on it
19:13 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> 😮
19:13 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  golang client, omg
19:13 <+bridge_> <Assa> what comment? :justatest:
19:14 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> which one is your D:
19:14 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> that is back. i commented on the second in the list
19:14 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> assuming it was the one you looked for
19:15 <+bridge_> <Assa> I didn't even get notified about that, I found your comment now D:
19:15 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> which one?
19:15 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> 😄
19:15 <+bridge_> <Assa> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11077#issuecomment-4733141304
19:16 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> ok, it was the third in the list ._.
19:16 <+bridge_> <Assa> this one is closed and obsolete and superseded by another open one
19:16 <+bridge_> <manikoo> chillerdragon: rq
19:17 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  I wonder if the graphics is the most important thing needed to be optimized currently.
19:17 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  D:
19:17 <+bridge_> <Assa> This is actually a really good question
19:18 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> still do not know which pr it was that was missing. ._.
19:18 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> was it found by the ai agent?
19:18 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> in that list or completely different?
19:18 <+bridge_> <Assa> and here is my reasoning: Not everyone has a powerful gpu and highly optimized OS like me and gets 6K fps on linear, the better the game performs, the better the experience is on cheap/old/potato hardware
19:19 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  But, there are lots of things needed to be improved in memory operations.
19:19 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> teeworlds 0.7 runs better than ddnet?
19:19 <+bridge_> <Assa> The AI agent noticed, that I found the PR I was searching for myself already
19:19 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  especially the client-side sixup.
19:19 <+bridge_> <Assa> Currently I am working on improving the zoom experience
19:19 <+bridge_> <Assa> zooming can cause even my PC to stutter
19:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> this is like an actual no go
19:20 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  at least, I can got a higher fps on Archive 0.7.6 in some maps than DDNet latest.
19:20 <+bridge_> <Assa> maps like?
19:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> There are some caveats here, ddnet has a different graphics backend and the performance on some low tier maps is worse in order to make some graphically heavy maps better
19:21 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  I'm not sure how to categorize them, but maybe you can just try it out yourself.
19:21 <+bridge_> <Assa> like overhead is a thing
19:25 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> contrary to chillerbot-ux, teetui does not send telemetry >:D
19:25 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  Also I guess you need to test on OpenGL 3.3 which is both of Archive and DDNet used
19:42 <+bridge_> <melon> anyone know if concurrently even functions under windows?
19:43 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> concurrency
19:43 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> or currently?
19:43 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> what specifically?
19:43 <+bridge_> <melon> `concurrently -n "backend,website,moderate" -c "blue,green,yellow" "bun ./apps/backend/index.ts" "bun run start:ui" "bun ./apps/scripts/moderate-webhook.ts"`
19:43 <+bridge_> <melon> 
19:43 <+bridge_> <melon> this only launches `backend`
19:44 <+bridge_> <melon> `concurrently -n "backend,website,moderate" -c "blue,green,yellow" "bun ./apps/backend/index.ts" "bun run start:ui" "bun ./apps/scripts/moderate-webhook.ts"`
19:44 <+bridge_> <melon> 
19:44 <+bridge_> <melon> this only launches `backend` under windows
19:45 <+bridge_> <melon> why am i being questionmarked, concurrently is a cli tool :(
19:45 <+bridge_> <melon> https://www.npmjs.com/package/concurrently
19:46 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> ```ps
19:46 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> concurrently --raw -n "backend,website,moderate" -c "blue,green,yellow" "bun ./apps/backend/index.ts" "bun run start:ui" "bun ./apps/scripts/moderate-webhook.ts"
19:46 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> ```
19:47 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> forget it. let me first read ._.
19:49 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> --raw to see more verbose output or error
19:52 <+bridge_> <melon> okay it seems like its not a concurrently but a bun issue
19:52 <+bridge_> <melon> ahgg
21:07 <+bridge_> <aegisub> 100x ai-driven professional software bun has issues? crazy
21:07 <+bridge_> <aegisub> 10x ai-driven professional software bun has issues? crazy
21:08 <+bridge_> <melon> :kek: - i like bun, issue is they seems to have fully bricked it :D
21:09 <+bridge_> <Fussel> I heard javascript enjoyers have a rather short one. Is this true?
21:25 <+bridge_> <odo_r> bro
21:25 <+bridge_> <odo_r> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516886553249579229/1.jpg?ex=6a344630&is=6a32f4b0&hm=c933466c7b772e60c5c452cd637111d4eb173eedd9d0ddc4452e10f2e273a38a&
21:25 <+bridge_> <odo_r> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516886554067337236/2.jpg?ex=6a344630&is=6a32f4b0&hm=469128f018001d439e88d0345084a5c44589644d9f6fbbf25d10dae6b1504904&
21:25 <+bridge_> <odo_r> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516886554931494972/3.jpg?ex=6a344631&is=6a32f4b1&hm=4e0c41085f2a59cb3eed40ed2a86ca1678bcf64c4f77cb4f846e6142edf99edb&
21:25 <+bridge_> <odo_r> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1516886555615035402/4.jpg?ex=6a344631&is=6a32f4b1&hm=2523f08473289a7418ca578d9fe0d5ceeaa6f01582198cf0f7315a38d2e3900f&
22:06 <+bridge_> <reitw> wasn't it bun which switched to rust completly using claude ?
22:07 <+bridge_> <reitw> deno is a cool alt to nodejs
22:43 <+bridge_> <rei_ayanami_tee> whats diff between ```cmake -Bbuild -GNinja``` ```cmake -B build```
22:47 <+bridge_> <learath2> https://github.com/LNH-team/dspico-wrfuxxed/blob/develop/wrfuxxed.md pretty run of the mill stack overflow, but maybe someone else enjoys reading up on very simple exploits
22:47 <+bridge_> <melon> `-GNinja` defines the generator as Ninja, otherwise it falls back to the default one of your system
22:47 <+bridge_> <melon> 
22:47 <+bridge_> <melon> `-BBuild` vs `-B Build` is purely syntactic - both should work
23:00 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> ddnet.org down? :(
23:05 <+bridge_> <melon> Pray that it wasn't me
23:05 <+bridge_> <melon> Should be fine now
23:06 <+bridge_> <melon> It's struggling with.. something
23:06 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> maybe its just eepy :brownbear:
23:06 <+bridge_> <patiga> pet it!
23:06 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> :3
23:07 <+bridge_> <melon> :Frog_Pat:
23:07 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> btw is there any way to export these ddnet emojis? :nouis:
23:07 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> or get them elsewhere?
23:07 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> lol instant 522 after petting
23:07 <+bridge_> <melon> öh i don't think we have them saved somewhere - maybe Louis or murpi have them locally
23:07 <+bridge_> <patiga> /emojis in the #bot-cmds
23:08 <+bridge_> <patiga> (worked in the past at least)
23:08 <+bridge_> <melon> -# :pepeHands:  useless admin
23:08 <+bridge_> <patiga> (last tried by me ~6 years ago)
23:08 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> :heartw:
23:08 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> bot is thinking alot rn
23:09 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> oha
23:09 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> i got it!! thanks :3
23:09 <+bridge_> <imilchshake> currently designing sticker sheets, would love a :nouis: on my thinkpad
23:10 <+bridge_> <patiga> to pet the bot is an admirable task and not done lightly :>
23:22 <+bridge_> <teero777> bruh
23:22 <+bridge_> <teero777> this was important
23:23 <+bridge_> <jxsl13> tls cert expired?
23:26 <+bridge_> <totar> I made that pr in 10 minutes, you can re open it
23:52 <+bridge_> <Assa> :pepeW: i am not happy how this went