04:00 <+bridge> <teero777> @essigautomat please fix the hookline
04:00 <+bridge> <teero777> its full ragebait
04:00 <+bridge> <teero777> i you think you can hook
04:00 <+bridge> <teero777> but then you miss
04:01 <+bridge> <teero777> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1510825505044172880/BecauseMaybe_ASDDDDDDDDS.mp4?ex=6a1e3966&is=6a1ce7e6&hm=d7b9673fe32eb07f6c5f90832115954369b17d200c7cc1cca6f73a449435a0fa&
04:02 <+bridge> <teero777> you think you can hook
19:45 <+bridge> <kebscs> told u guys its gonna be ai slop
19:46 <+bridge> <kebscs> fusion of ai and rtx :kek:
19:55 <+bridge> <learath2> tbh, I haven't been observing anything explosive lately, most of the recent improvements are due to better feedback loops and integration
19:56 <+bridge> <learath2> but I'm not a AI™ poweruser™, so it can always just be me holding it wrong
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> ```
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> In [9]: simgr.errored[0]
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> Out[9]: <State errored with "Claripy threw an error">
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> 
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> In [10]: simgr.errored[0].error
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> Out[10]: angr.errors.SimSolverModeError('Claripy threw an error')
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> ```
19:58 <+bridge> <learath2> <a:catdies:993596091033464906>
19:59 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> honestly thats the part that sucks. bad devs are not magically better and think they can do anything now.
19:59 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
19:59 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> just good devs have to do less boilerplate to do now
20:01 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ye
20:04 <+bridge> <learath2> I must agree that this revolution has unleashed a lot of morons into the field
20:09 <+bridge> <mpft> I don't know how much time it will take of forcing myself to use it for it to ever feel justified
20:10 <+bridge> <mpft> using such an intrinsically inefficient technology goes against everything I aim to do in the field
20:10 <+bridge> <mpft> it's not like I want to be a luddite about it
20:11 <+bridge> <mpft> deepseek is apparently still 75% off for the time being when before it was only supposed to be for May
20:11 <+bridge> <mpft> that's something
20:11 <+bridge> <mpft> if you're gonna fork over money at least don't give it to the americans
20:12 <+bridge> <learath2> I've been forcing myself to use more of it so I can be hireable 🙃
20:37 <+bridge> <teero777> the image was a reference to some of the ddnet prs and i think it makes heinrichs view more understandable
20:38 <+bridge> <louis> how did it go
20:39 <+bridge> <louis> how is it inefficient
20:39 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i guess he means energy wise
20:40 <+bridge> <ryozuki> no luck
20:41 <+bridge> <louis> wat
20:42 <+bridge> <louis> i mean the story
20:44 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i dont remember it exactly
20:44 <+bridge> <mpft> srsly
20:45 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i stopped caring about the world
20:45 <+bridge> <mpft> it's not efficient in any metric
20:45 <+bridge> <ryozuki> u cant control it
20:45 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ppl who do dont have morals
20:45 <+bridge> <ryozuki> why should i
20:45 <+bridge> <ryozuki> its death anyway
20:45 <+bridge> <mpft> it can be fast if you throw enough power at it but don't confuse that with efficiency just because it saves you time
20:46 <+bridge> <mpft> contrary to popular belief your time is not more valuable than our planet's finite resources and tolerances
20:46 <+bridge> <mpft> there are the ppl getting the shit end of the stick due to AI and there are those who love it and stay ignorant to the aforementioned effects
20:47 <+bridge> <mpft> anyone caught in the middle has been polarized because you can't wait around to see if you can use it and continue to make a living
20:47 <+bridge> <ryozuki> this is about most stuff in consumerism
20:47 <+bridge> <mpft> ye
20:47 <+bridge> <ryozuki> cars gas, food, all sucks
20:47 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i wont get stressed over it
20:48 <+bridge> <mpft> not when u make the kind of money you do
20:48 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i got other things to fuss about as a non rich person
20:48 <+bridge> <ryozuki> oh idk what money u think ii do xD
20:48 <+bridge> <ryozuki> im in debt
20:48 <+bridge> <ryozuki> like most ppl
20:48 <+bridge> <mpft> still no debt for me but I'm finally not bleeding money anymore
20:48 <+bridge> <mpft> my savings are growing again if very slowly and because of the kindness of my family to house and feed me free of charge
20:49 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ye thats nice
20:49 <+bridge> <mpft> I would not be making it on my own rn
20:49 <+bridge> <ryozuki> igot it the other way around
20:49 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i cant return to them
20:49 <+bridge> <ryozuki> if i fail im done
20:49 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i think thats worse
20:49 <+bridge> <mpft> ye I understand that
20:50 <+bridge> <mpft> you have a fire under your ass that I never have
20:50 <+bridge> <ryozuki> and i nearly got fired cuz AI
20:50 <+bridge> <mpft> I never would've lost my job if I had said fire
20:50 <+bridge> <ryozuki> they laid off like 40%
20:50 <+bridge> <mpft> damn
20:50 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ii think stress is making me go bald faster
20:50 <+bridge> <ryozuki> xd
20:50 <+bridge> <mpft> definitely
20:50 <+bridge> <mpft> get your vitamin d
20:50 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i thought u left ddnet btw
20:51 <+bridge> <mpft> came back to get a rank removed via admin mail and am getting distracted by developer chat again xd
20:51 <+bridge> <mpft> I have nothing else to do in this time tho
20:51 <+bridge> <mpft> I'm in the passenger's seat of the junk truck
20:52 <+bridge> <mpft> so much fucking driving in the Denver metro area to get anywhere
20:54 <+bridge> <louis> it wastes energy when ppl generate pure slop for no reason, but i could also say the internet wastes energy when we could instead be walking to libraries for information instead
20:54 <+bridge> <mpft> the extent to which the energy is wasted is a difference of large magnitude
20:55 <+bridge> <teero777> lol what, it takes a lot more effort to find information in a library than the internet
20:55 <+bridge> <mpft> you can draw the comparison in principle but it's just copium
20:55 <+bridge> <mpft> when u think about the actual cost
20:56 <+bridge> <mpft> the only things other that ever came close to requiring that much brute force parallelization and power usage are intrinsically inefficient
20:56 <+bridge> <mpft> gaming for pleasure and proof of work for crypto
20:57 <+bridge> <louis> going to a library is more environmentally sustainable than using the internet
20:57 <+bridge> <mpft> that's very arguable
20:58 <+bridge> <louis> if u walk there it is
20:58 <+bridge> <teero777> i thought we are taling about wasting time and energy of the developer
20:58 <+bridge> <mpft> I wasn't but it's worth mentioning
20:58 <+bridge> <teero777> i thought we are talking about wasting time and energy of the developer
20:59 <+bridge> <mpft> you can have carbon neutral internet routing systems much more easily than e.g. AI
20:59 <+bridge> <mpft> the finite precious resources are a different topic but fundamentally we make too much, use too much at a time, and throw too much away
21:12 <+bridge> <louis> Idk enough about this to discuss much further but i guess i just think that the advancement of useful technology is usually good for everyone but at the same time i do think itsvery much inefficient
21:12 <+bridge> <louis> theres a lot of good use cases and at the same time u have companies pushing out absolute slop to consumers who dont need to use ai at all
21:12 <+bridge> <louis> for whatever reason
21:12 <+bridge> <mpft> yeah it's just that real world benefits have yet to be seen whereas the downsides are overabundant and have undone any attempts at environmental neutrality almost instantly
21:12 <+bridge> <mpft> it's our nail in the coffin
21:13 <+bridge> <mpft> it's not the sole killer but we can never actually become sustainable if we rely on this junk
21:14 <+bridge> <mpft> I cannot name a single thing that has actually improved in the wake of AI
21:14 <+bridge> <mpft> developers can grind out subpar products faster. great
21:14 <+bridge> <mpft> good for your day-to-day. that's it
21:15 <+bridge> <mpft> good for the day-to-day of a shrinking minority, that's essentially it
21:26 <+bridge> <ryozuki> https://github.com/stanford-cs336/assignment1-basics/blob/main/CLAUDE.md
22:37 <+bridge> <totar> walking is similar to driving a normal car if you account for needing to eat food
22:39 <+bridge> <totar> electric bike is the best iirc
22:42 <+bridge> <PRO_Gaming1921> is the fast practice button from best client controversial? I really like the idea and how it is implemented. if people find it cheating I wont use it
22:54 <+bridge> <totar> it would be a good townhall post
23:01 <+bridge> <inv41idu53rn4m3> I personally would've implemented it myself if I wasn't lazy as hell xd
23:02 <+bridge> <inv41idu53rn4m3> ...and then I would've made a town hall post to ask if it's okay