01:43 <+bridge> <teero777> you
04:27 <+bridge> <cyberfrighter> the hell you got for a car
04:35 <+bridge> <mpft> it's worth more than both cars I've had
09:18 <+bridge> <totar> I dont think I could buy a car that functions for only 2k here...
09:18 <+bridge> <totar> Maybe if it has like 350k miles and will break instantly after you buy it
09:20 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Maybe he bought some EA microtransaction car
09:22 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> @totar: u still shader dev?
09:25 <+bridge> <totar> ye
09:42 <+bridge> <sans._.> Chevy spark I from 2008
09:43 <+bridge> <sans._.> 0.8L engine, slightly used, 80k kilometers
09:43 <+bridge> <sans._.> paid about 4000 on it
09:43 <+bridge> <sans._.> paid about 4000 ron on it
09:44 <+bridge> <sans._.> paid about 4000 ron on it (800€)
10:29 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> I love it when I get a client segfault while trying to reproduce a server bug
10:29 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> Such classic
10:29 <+ChillerDragon> the dangers of leaving the happy path
10:31 <+ChillerDragon> HOLY SHIT THAT CRASH IS A NEW ONE Xd
10:31 <+ChillerDragon> omg thats funny af
10:31 <+ChillerDragon> FULLY DENIALL OF SERVICE
10:31 <+ChillerDragon> no fakin way
10:31 <+ChillerDragon> omg omg
10:32 <+ChillerDragon> this might be too op to report xd
10:32 <+ChillerDragon> gonna sell to nsa
10:32 <+ChillerDragon> its 0 click
10:38 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> So how can I get the permission for IRC? D:
10:39 <+ChillerDragon> gotta ask lerato or heino
10:39 <+ChillerDragon> not even deen can chat here xd
10:41 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> backdoor to deens millions
10:41 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> oh no
10:41 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> they are offline
10:41 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> D:
10:44 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> chillerdragon: leak it to me in matrix 😬
10:44 <+ChillerDragon> ok my bug is not as 0 click as i thought
10:44 <+ChillerDragon> i might be able to share it because it now became really boring
10:44 <+ChillerDragon> it could have been such a cool irl prank
10:44 <+ChillerDragon> for teecon
10:46 <+ChillerDragon> HOLY SHIT
10:46 <+ChillerDragon> rare LLM W
10:47 <+ChillerDragon> i post gdb backtrace to llm containing this line ` __i=<error reading variable: Cannot access memory at address 0x3000746c756166>`
10:47 <+ChillerDragon> and then llm goes all conspirarcy tinfoil theory on me
10:47 <+ChillerDragon> until i realize it might be correct
10:47 <+ChillerDragon> > That memory address is not a random hex value; it is ASCII text. If you convert 0x...746c756166 from hex to ASCII (reading in little-endian), you get:
10:47 <+ChillerDragon> > 66 = f
10:47 <+ChillerDragon> > 61 = a
10:47 <+ChillerDragon> > 75 = u
10:48 <+ChillerDragon> > 6c = l
10:48 <+ChillerDragon> > 74 = t
10:48 <+ChillerDragon> and i actually expected the string "default" in memory
10:48 <+ChillerDragon> not really fixing my bug but kinda neat that it spots something like this
10:52 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Chiller Leak or did not happen
10:52 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Clickbait
10:53 <+furo> @bamcane_tee237 First create an account on quakenet, so your voice perms are kept even if you were to lose connection. Then ask 5991, I guess.
10:53 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> ^
10:53 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> oh
10:53 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> you are on irc
10:53 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> sorry
10:54 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I just want to do a bridge bot so that we (CN developers) could call bot to chat on IRC
10:57 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> Okay I will leak jupsit because you came back and I love you
10:57 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> Give me 10 minutes xd
11:05 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> :thonk:
11:16 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> and I came up a idea
11:16 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I thought it would be nice to use the rest channel in pos env for changing the size of quads.
11:17 <+bridge> <robyt3> See #12020
11:17 <+bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/12020
11:17 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> no, not for red pivots
11:18 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> just set the scale of it.
11:18 <+bridge> <robyt3> Changing the size seems like a subset of that. And we can't change the existing envelope format.
11:18 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> It won't break back-compat.
11:19 <+bridge> <robyt3> It breaks forwards compatibility
11:19 <+bridge> <robyt3> It's teeworlds' format
11:22 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> If we do that, the legacy clients would load all of the 4 channels' data but only use the three of them.
11:22 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> That seems to be no problem
11:26 <+bridge> <robyt3> But we won't be compatible with any future version of Teeworlds if was going to make use of those channels' data. It's Teeworlds' format, so we shouldn't make changes to it. New data belongs in new UUID-based map items.
11:27 <+bridge> <robyt3> But we won't be compatible with any future version of Teeworlds that would make use of those channels' data. It's Teeworlds' format, so we shouldn't make changes to it. New data belongs in new UUID-based map items.
11:27 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> tbh, isn't Teeworlds dead?
11:28 <+bridge> <melon> the existing community is much much smaller than DDNet's but still going strong
11:28 <+bridge> <robyt3> Maybe oy suddenly returns and decides to add more maintainers. The point isn't how active Teeworlds is, but that's it's not our data format to change.
11:29 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> nah, then I know it
11:29 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> btw, I means the official Teeworlds.
11:30 <+bridge> <robyt3> This already created a huge mess in the past when DDRace added tele, speedup, front, switch and tune data to the existing tiles layer map item and then Teeworlds added the layer name in the same location.
11:34 <+bridge> <marmare_314> How was that solved? Have the DDRace layers been moved?
11:36 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> That might be 0.5 things.
11:39 <+bridge> <robyt3> For old maps with flags like`TILESLAYERFLAG_TELE` but version 2 map items we hackily reinterpret the struct layout:
11:39 <+bridge> <robyt3> ```
11:39 <+bridge> <robyt3> if(pTilemap->m_Version <= 2)
11:39 <+bridge> <robyt3> {
11:39 <+bridge> <robyt3>     pTilemap->m_Tele = *((int *)(pTilemap) + 15);
11:39 <+bridge> <robyt3> }
11:39 <+bridge> <robyt3> ```
11:45 <+bridge> <robyt3> @marmare_314 Can you update the comment https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/12198#issuecomment-4529512255 to the latest commits? The linked commit references became invalid after force pushing.
12:05 <+ChillerDragon> https://tube.zillyhuhn.com/video.php?t=ddnet_cybernuke.mp4&u=chiller
12:05 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> @Jupstar ✪ here u go xd
12:05 <+bridge> <marmare_314> I also clarified the comment a bit. But as I already said, I am really not sure it helps with readability that much (especially the `CScrollRegion::End` one)
12:07 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> xDDDD wtf
12:07 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I assume you changed the result of info.ddnet.org
12:07 <+ChillerDragon> no tricks involved
12:07 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But yeah 100/100 buying it
12:07 <+ChillerDragon> xd
12:07 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> for 0$
12:07 <+ChillerDragon> good price
12:07 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I bought it my selling my IP
12:08 <+ChillerDragon> hehe
12:08 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> wait
12:08 <+ChillerDragon> imagine i wipped that exploit out when we meet irl jupsi
12:08 <+ChillerDragon> would be cinema
12:08 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I have thought you all are irc bridge bot
12:09 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I mean realistically it can only be http or socket attack
12:09 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> but my bridge told me that the chat from Jupstar is discord??
12:09 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> So maybe you just send random pkts to the client
12:09 <+ChillerDragon> i basically gave enuff info on how it works already :D 
12:09 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> :thonk:
12:09 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Anyway, FIX
12:09 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> today
12:09 <+ChillerDragon> nah 
12:10 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I am bot in discord, dunno what you mean
12:10 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> yeah that's what I meant
12:11 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I have thought you are irc bridge bot
12:11 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I had thought you are irc bridge bot
12:11 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Matrix
12:11 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> wait, we have a matrix bridge?
12:12 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Yes
12:12 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> For the cool hackers with max privacy
12:12 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> So much privacy that user friendlyness suffers 😬
12:17 <+bridge> <alw5> cant have both
12:20 <+bridge> <robyt3> ChillerDragon: Ideally report potential vulnerabilities (and the stack trace) in admin-mail or via email (for example to deen).
12:21 <+ChillerDragon> its not that interesting or sensitive tbh @robyt3
12:21 <+ChillerDragon> can be disclosed publicly
12:22 <+ChillerDragon> i just didnt share yet because maybe someone wants to guess :D and inititally i wanted to use it as party trick xd
12:22 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Can you see it in the video or what
12:27 <+ChillerDragon> no
12:27 <+ChillerDragon> you can guess it from the video
12:27 <+ChillerDragon> and a bit from what i said
12:45 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Ah yeah I can see it in the logs
12:45 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Why does it segfault tho, I would have thought that is handled by simply returning false or whatever
12:46 <+ChillerDragon> wait wotin the logsß
12:46 <+ChillerDragon> wat did u see
12:46 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> What resource is busy
12:47 <+ChillerDragon> ?xd
12:48 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Ok so that's not it, thanks xd
12:48 <+ChillerDragon> probablynot
12:48 <+ChillerDragon> but idk what you talk about tbh
12:48 <+ChillerDragon> want a hint?
12:48 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Ok
12:48 <+ChillerDragon> can i do spoilers?
12:48 <+ChillerDragon> ||does this work||
12:49 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> yes
12:49 <+ChillerDragon> epic
12:49 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Discord IRC pro
12:49 <+ChillerDragon> best thing is i quit discord before spoilers existed
12:49 <+ChillerDragon> and smh i know the syntax
12:49 <+ChillerDragon> ||i kept saying "when we meet irl" and "party"||
12:49 <+ChillerDragon> what could that mean
12:49 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i mean tbf, maybe it doesnt work, but in works in matrix xdd
12:49 <+ChillerDragon> haha gg
12:50 <+ChillerDragon> probably nobody wants to guess anyways
12:50 <+ChillerDragon> oh and its notdns
12:50 <+ChillerDragon> not dns
12:50 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I dunno dude, I am not a party guy, this is beyond my skill level.
12:50 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
12:50 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> You gonna put drugs into my drink and rape me or what
12:51 <+ChillerDragon> ok
12:51 <+ChillerDragon> ima tell you
12:51 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> No
12:51 <+ChillerDragon> xd
12:51 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> That's boring
12:51 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Is it network related?
12:51 <+ChillerDragon> how can one device attack another one
12:51 <+ChillerDragon> without joining a server
12:51 <+ChillerDragon> yes its network
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> thats why its so funny
12:52 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Sending packets, e.g. Scan for local servers
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> at at first seems damn strong
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> yes
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> you gotit
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> thats also why i later realized its boring af
12:52 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Yeah but that already was my first guess xd
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> because the exploit only works if the current tab is LAN
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> even in the main menu
12:52 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I see
12:52 <+ChillerDragon> it does the lan stuff
12:53 <+ChillerDragon> but only if that was last selected
12:53 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> We get responds and everything explodes
12:53 <+ChillerDragon> so you aint gonna consistantly attack someone like this in the real world
12:53 <+ChillerDragon> yes
12:53 <+ChillerDragon> server info that breaks the client
12:53 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But is the packet at least modified?
12:53 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Or a normal one
12:54 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Like do you send normal server info?
12:54 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
12:54 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Holy shit that is sad tbh
12:54 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But anyway chiller, you should make sure that this really only works on LAN tab
12:55 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Even if routers block traffic usually, in theory a server that knows your UDP port can send you packets
12:55 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Now that you leaked, it's your responsibility 😬
12:55 <+ChillerDragon> vanilla ddnet server
12:55 <+ChillerDragon> can send it
12:56 <+ChillerDragon> oh shiet
12:56 <+ChillerDragon> i havent figured out all the details
12:57 <+ChillerDragon> the crash doesnt make sense to me and i dont have a minimal reproduce
12:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Run claude, codex, copilot, glm, i dunno how all these fancy tools are called
12:57 <+ChillerDragon> but yea interesting idea to test 
12:57 <+ChillerDragon> avo didnt respond to the last 17 pings here
12:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> PM me a stacktrace and I tell you in 3 minutes
12:57 <+ChillerDragon> is he still in thisdiscord?
12:58 <+ChillerDragon> also wtf is going on with my spaces xd
12:58 <+ChillerDragon> i lose half of them
12:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Maybe he just doesnt want to do moderation
12:58 <+ChillerDragon> ehm @avolicious if you cleanup cheated ranks again 
12:59 <+ChillerDragon> please dont do `DELETE FROM record_race WHERE Map = "DragonLore" and Name = "ChillerDragon"`
12:59 <+ChillerDragon> xd
12:59 <+ChillerDragon> the 2minute time may or may not be cheated
12:59 <+ChillerDragon> the 40 minute time is legit
12:59 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> true better do `DELETE FROM record_race WHERE Name = "ChillerDragon"`
12:59 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Safer
12:59 <+ChillerDragon> aaaaaa
13:00 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> chiller cheating on pub servers, that is sad
13:00 <+ChillerDragon> i didnt
13:00 <+ChillerDragon> -.-
13:00 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> not even @teero777 does that
13:00 <+ChillerDragon> i didnt in years*
13:00 <+ChillerDragon> xd
13:00 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> He invented cheating
13:00 <+ChillerDragon> i cheated one kog rank for a school project
13:00 <+ChillerDragon> before the map DragonLore even released
13:01 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Yeah bcs your teachers totally cared about teeworlds
13:01 <+ChillerDragon> yea must have been the best grade that i got that year
13:02 <+ChillerDragon> there are some ranks that were cheated using my nickname
13:02 <+ChillerDragon> but not by me
13:02 <+ChillerDragon> jupsti arent you supposed to be my lawyer
13:02 <+ChillerDragon> dont get me into trouble here
13:03 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> chiller yes, but i am also detective
13:03 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i have my sources
13:03 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I know you used replay bot on kog
13:03 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> back when qshar was still a thing
13:04 <+ChillerDragon> yes
13:04 <+ChillerDragon> i never really was hiding that
13:05 <+ChillerDragon> using the client i leaked on discord by accident xd
13:14 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I think I should write the fastest serde compatible serialization lib finally. The compatitors are bincode (which is now dead bcs of drama) and bitcode, which is sometimes faster and sometimes slower than bincode
13:27 <+bridge> <teero777> holy irc wall of text
13:33 <+bridge> <teero777> lol nice party trick
13:33 <+ChillerDragon> xd
13:34 <+bridge> <teero777> why would i only work on lan?
13:34 <+bridge> <teero777> so its not just some server info that corrupts the client?
13:34 <+bridge> <learath2> I have an hour or so to review stuff, anyone have anything they need reviewed?
13:34 <+bridge> <teero777> i mean if that worked publicly you could crash everyone that went on the internet tab xd
13:35 <+bridge> <teero777> maybe the masterserver filters it?
13:35 <+bridge> <Assa> I'd love for somebody to look at my network PR
13:35 <+bridge> <teero777> chiller give more hints
13:35 <+ChillerDragon> master is http anyways
13:35 <+ChillerDragon> lan works different
13:35 <+bridge> <Assa> #12106
13:35 <+bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/12106
13:36 <+bridge> <Assa> oh nevermind I still need to add the linebreaks
13:36 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> @learath2 Could I get the permission for my IRC bridge bot chat 😄
13:36 <+bridge> <learath2> Lets start with this one, does it have a Q account?
13:36 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> no
13:36 <+bridge> <robyt3> #11564 :justatest:
13:37 <+bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11564
13:37 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Then I guess I can register one now
13:38 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> wait for a minute
13:38 <@Learath2> I'm guessing it's NTCN-Bridge 
13:38 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> yeah
13:39 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I'm registering, hmm
13:39 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Let me stop the bot first
13:47 <@Learath2> Huh, #11564 looks relatively straightforward. Guess it just slipped through the cracks
13:48 <+ChillerDragon> which cracks
13:48 <+ChillerDragon> the cracks the 100 other prs also slipped through?
13:49 <@Learath2> knew I shouldn't have said anything, one day I'll start listening to my inner voice
13:50 <+ChillerDragon> hrhr
13:50 <+ChillerDragon> ye i know what you mean
13:51 <+ChillerDragon> but saying something slipped through the cracks when there is no progress on the 100 open pr situation in forever is a little bit rage bait from you
13:56 <@Learath2> you saying that as if what you said isn't rage bait is quite ironic in a funny way
14:00 <+ChillerDragon> @avolocious sos 45.141.57.45:8314 crashed
14:00 <+ChillerDragon> Learath2 no what i said is me raging because i got baited by u :p
14:00 <+ChillerDragon> rip 1h run
14:03 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Learath downgraded to IRC too
14:03 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> RIP
14:03 <+ChillerDragon> irc is pog
14:03 <+ChillerDragon> he is just here to give china a voice
14:04 <@Learath2> O_o Jupstar isn't here, where are you typing from. I thought you were here too
14:04 <+ChillerDragon> bru lerato
14:04 <@Learath2> Are you having a matrix arc?
14:04 <+ChillerDragon> he is matrix enjoyer
14:04 <+ChillerDragon> ye
14:04 <+ChillerDragon> he even has a profile pic
14:04 <@Learath2> I really miss irc, maybe I'll use it more, it feels so much better than discord
14:04 <+ChillerDragon> doesnt it show on discord?
14:05 <@Learath2> nee, the bridge isn't advanced enough for that it seems
14:05 <+ChillerDragon> rly?
14:05 <+ChillerDragon> i see discord profile pics on matrix tho
14:05 <+ChillerDragon> i was 99% sure discord sees matrix profile pics
14:05 <+bridge> <qxdfox> ping didnt work btw
14:05 <+ChillerDragon> oh
14:05 <+ChillerDragon> that explains it
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> did he rename?
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> or leave the discord?
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> OMG
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> i typoed it
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> @avolicious
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> aaa
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa> ```C++
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa> dbg_msg("snapshot",
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> thanks @qxdfox
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa>   "%s\tm_FinishTimeSeconds=%d (Contents=[Constant=FinishTime::UNSET(-2), Constant=FinishTime::NOT_FINISHED_MILLIS(-1), Range=[min=0 max=max_int(%d)]])",
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa>   aRawData,
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa>   pObj->m_FinishTimeSeconds,
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa>   (int)max_int);
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa> ```
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa> 
14:06 <+bridge> <Assa> How do I ideally further linebreak the string here?
14:06 <+bridge> <teero777> you just left :(
14:06 <+bridge> <teero777> nothing crashed
14:06 <+ChillerDragon> @teero777 troll 
14:07 <+ChillerDragon> i indeed left
14:07 <+ChillerDragon> like 40 other ppl
14:07 <+ChillerDragon> and the remaining ppl voted Q-Easy
14:07 <+bridge> <teero777> XD
14:07 <+ChillerDragon> checks out
14:07 <+bridge> <teero777> yes thats what happened
14:07 <+ChillerDragon> ah isee
14:07 <+ChillerDragon> false alarm then
14:07 <+bridge> <teero777> come vc
14:07 <+ChillerDragon> come munich
14:09 <+bridge> <learath2> well you can have it arbitrarily short?
14:09 <+bridge> <Assa> apparently I can't, because reviewer is complaining that lines are too long
14:10 <+bridge> <Assa> doesn't a `\` work here? Maybe the discord preview is broken
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> ```c
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> dbg_msg("snapshot",
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> "%s\tm_FinishTimeSeconds=%d "\
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> "(Contents=[Constant=FinishTime::UNSET(-2), "\
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> "Constant=FinishTime::NOT_FINISHED_MILLIS(-1), "\
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> "Range=[min=0 max=max_int(%d)]])",
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> aRawData, pObj->m_FinishTimeSeconds, (int)max_int);
14:11 <+bridge> <learath2> ```
14:13 <+bridge> <robyt3> You don't need the `\` for string literals
14:14 <+ChillerDragon> the output is still too long
14:14 <+ChillerDragon> i would use multiple prints for proper linebreaks with timestamps
14:16 <+bridge> <patiga> @learath2 if you still got minutes left to spare, a short look at https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/pull/139 with any insights you might have would be neat :)
14:16 <+bridge> <patiga> oooh jupii
14:17 <+bridge> <patiga> you could also be dead reckoning expert
14:17 <+bridge> <patiga> as you must've handled it in ddnet-rs for ddnet server compat
14:18 <+bridge> <patiga> do the graphics always interpolate between two game states 1 tick apart using prediction/dead reckoning, or is it sometimes more than 1 tick apart, as the server doesn't update us that often
14:18 <+bridge> <patiga> I'm hella confused and this is like my third time trying to get dead reckoning into twgpu :d
14:19 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> > as you must've handled it in ddnet-rs for ddnet server compat
14:19 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:19 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> No not at all
14:19 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I solved it differently
14:19 <+bridge> <patiga> darn :c
14:19 <+bridge> <patiga> how did you manage?
14:19 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Or at least I don't call it dead reckoning lol
14:20 <+bridge> <patiga> then I'd be interested in how you do <thing-which-you-call-by-another-name> ^^
14:20 <@Learath2> I would say dead reckoning is not all that closely related to prediction or the constant snapshots gaps. I mean they do the same thing but they are only tangentially related
14:22 <+bridge> <patiga> doing the same thing but being tangential in theory makes it very confusing
14:22 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Well what should I say, i called core.physics\_tick move and quantinize on some fake data xdd
14:22 <+bridge> <patiga> yes thats precisely it
14:23 <+bridge> <patiga> but do you always interpolate between two game states which are exactly 1 tick apart, or are they sometimes more than 1 tick apart?
14:23 <+bridge> <patiga> because the server typically sends us the gamestate only every second tick, so we aren't allowed to dead reckon the tick inbetween, no?
14:24 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i dunno, i do it I'd say xd
14:24 <+bridge> <Assa> can you do an example how you'd reformat this?
14:24 <+bridge> <patiga> ig that works in most cases :d
14:24 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> @patiga: come discord then we can talk
14:24 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> wait
14:24 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i meant matrix
14:24 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> muscle memory
14:25 <+bridge> <patiga> I really wonder what the ddnet client does, but the last time I checked I wish I didn't, I just couldn't navigate the code properly
14:25 <+bridge> <patiga> 1 sec
14:25 <@Learath2> I'd say it's mostly a way to reduce bandwidth usage. The server (under the assumption that the client has the EXACT same gamecore) keeps two cores, one is the real current core which gets manipulated freely, and the other is the reckoning core which only runs gamecore stuff.
14:26 <@Learath2> The server then just doesn't send the core if the reckoning core matches the current core. This only happens if "nothing non-standard" happens to the tee. That way you can avoid sending the core all the time for a tee that is just falling
14:27 <@Learath2> So technically the snaps could be sent at any frequency and dead reckoning would still work, the client if it doesn't receive a core just uses the reckoned core
14:27 <+bridge> <patiga> (still 1 sec)
14:28 <+bridge> <patiga> but the dead reckoned core is free to desync on the tick where we don't send the snap
14:33 <+bridge> <patiga> jupi whats your matrix tag?
14:34 <+bridge> <patiga> wait no got ya
14:38 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> @learath2 ok, I have done the bot login.
14:38 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> The bot's name is CN-Bridge now
14:39 <+bridge> <learath2> You'll have to wait a little now, I'm a little busy
14:39 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> that's fine
14:44 <+bridge> <chairn> https://marksilberstein.ece.technion.ac.il/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Putting_Bugs_in_Your_DC_Might_Actually_be_a_Good_Idea_WACI.pdf
14:45 <+bridge> <chairn> reintroducing bus in datacenters 😄
14:45 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> omg, 36 pages of issues??
14:56 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> :thonk:
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ```
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> running 1 test
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> case            format        size     encode total     decode total
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> small           pure-binary       53      7.646572ms      6.776377ms
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> small           bincode           30     12.479809ms      8.888441ms
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> small           bitcode           41    101.567322ms     68.845916ms
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> complex         pure-binary    41989    256.680012ms    505.821253ms
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> complex         bincode        38020     303.99272ms    578.980395ms
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> complex         bitcode        33802    374.706144ms     511.51084ms
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> huge            pure-binary  2508328    1.079632143s    2.245703215s
14:57 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> huge            bincode      2572295     1.65533603s    2.700988511s
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> huge            bitcode      2132319     1.25865873s    1.828595946s
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> huge_complex    pure-binary  3358170    702.127664ms    2.321313107s
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> huge_complex    bincode      2876996    904.159327ms    2.826487132s
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> huge_complex    bitcode      2234483    769.087388ms    2.389296894s
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ```
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> 
14:58 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> HOW? how can my shit vibe coded serde library be better than bincode and bitcode first try 😂
14:58 <+bridge> <Teero> XDDD
15:05 <+ChillerDragon> if(benchmark) return
15:11 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> erwischt
15:12 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> with fixed int encoding bincode is close, or basically same
15:12 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> so time to beat hehe
15:14 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I coded a terrible regex, and it messed my console. D:
15:18 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> :frozen:
15:48 <+bridge> <learath2> Perhaps your format is less structured?
16:02 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> I dunno, I think it's just bcs I spammed always(inline) everywhere lol
16:02 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Maybe with LTO it's more even
16:02 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> But the fact that you can so easily have same perf (400 LOC) is still interesting
17:19 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> :thonk:
17:19 <@Learath2> CN-Bridge should get autovoiced now
17:19 <@Learath2> lmk if you need anything else
17:19 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> wow
17:19 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> thanks
17:20 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> let me test...
17:30 <+ChillerDragon> CN-Bridge_: elo bridge
17:31 <+ChillerDragon> CHINA?
17:31 <+ChillerDragon> CHINA!
17:33 <+CN-Bridge_> <Bamcane> H
17:33 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> :thonk:
17:35 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  OK, I guess it's fine now.
17:35 <+CN-Bridge> <CometOnOrbit>  wow, hello friends there
17:39 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  I coded a dict for translating the nickname.
17:44 <+bridge> <Teero> hellooo chinaa
17:44 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  I'm preparing a server to set this bot, hmm
19:57 <+CN-Bridge> <Bamcane>  anyone here?
20:05 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Ghost seems like a single-player only demo...I don't know why I think so
20:05 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> hmm
20:42 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> Daily dose of AI SLOP
20:43 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> https://files.catbox.moe/z2i8tt.png
21:13 <+bridge> <kebscs> https://x.com/kupolov/status/2060439836386025737
21:13 <+bridge> <kebscs> real
21:14 <+bridge> <melon> pretty ironic when someone talks about virtue signaling and drama, while the entire tweet is there to stir up drama ^^
21:15 <+bridge> <melon> not entirely wrong tho, the entire `RiiR` thing throws a bad shade on the language itself
21:32 <+bridge> <milkeeycat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqddnwKF8HQ what an awesome guy
21:38 <+bridge> <learath2> I do kinda agree with the community part of go being much nicer
21:38 <+bridge> <learath2> Very enjoyable people from everyone I interacted with
21:50 <+bridge> <melon> yeah can't deny that part, other communities feel more welcoming, Rust does feel "elitist" from time to time
21:50 <+bridge> <melon> i remember joining their IRC and asked a pretty basic question, got 20 different answers and hell broke loose between them :kek:
21:51 <+bridge> <learath2> Reminds me of ##c in freenode, I wonder how ##c is doing in libera nowadays
22:12 <+bridge> <sans._.> petition to make this the ddnet summertime logo
22:13 <+bridge> <mpft> f4 slop
23:27 <+bridge> <alw5> noway
23:27 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> ah shit
23:28 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> i cloned ddnet's repo not mine
23:28 <+bridge> <Jupstar ✪> well now to late lmao
23:28 <+bridge> <melon> :OMEGALUL:
23:28 <+bridge> <alw5> whatever