00:50 <+bridge> <mnxdq> bro
00:50 <+bridge> <mnxdq> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1506791291072020490/1.jpg?ex=6a0f8c3e&is=6a0e3abe&hm=9af24693538c9cb1e7e1cdfac4cba2b12f7ed9a3722abba68d7159e072f2e7c0&
00:50 <+bridge> <mnxdq> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1506791291558822058/2.jpg?ex=6a0f8c3e&is=6a0e3abe&hm=4010aa730f1f79651da7b99f2f32ee6d61f75f7f7203cb7a605e5816e1731177&
00:50 <+bridge> <mnxdq> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1506791292103954643/3.jpg?ex=6a0f8c3e&is=6a0e3abe&hm=a3ae477c37856c3f9f13f5d8ddd6004b71f0f1826c8e91e1418d5792210c5084&
00:50 <+bridge> <mnxdq> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1506791292544483398/4.jpg?ex=6a0f8c3e&is=6a0e3abe&hm=1b2291c06cd4a748f050ebad16caa6aaa9d79e46f114cd63e511e26ccbbd2bcf&
01:10 <+bridge> <reitw> Never lmao
06:00 <+bridge> <manikoo> :kek:
09:14 <+bridge> <teero777> is there an option to turn off the invertion of the hookline color when you do a hookline and show hookline always is on? its really annoying
09:17 <+bridge> <aegisub> yeah it's right next to the spacebar heating toggle
09:24 <+bridge> <ryozuki> https://openai.com/index/model-disproves-discrete-geometry-conjecture/
09:42 <+bridge> <alw5> no
09:42 <+bridge> <alw5> doesnt seem like it
09:43 <+bridge> <alw5> who decided it should be blue
11:26 <+bridge> <fushi_gg> wdym it only inverts if you +hookline
11:27 <+bridge> <teero777> yea thats the problem
11:27 <+bridge> <teero777> it shouldnt at all
11:27 <+bridge> <fushi_gg> no clue what that is useful for tbh
11:27 <+bridge> <teero777> it mixes up the colors if you have opposite colors for different hits of the hook coll
11:29 <+bridge> <fushi_gg> easy fix is to just not press your bind but also what is that even there for
11:47 <+bridge> <teero777> wdym? you still need your bind for others to see the hookline
11:47 <+bridge> <teero777> its still important
11:47 <+bridge> <teero777> but pressing it should just thicken the hookline or smth
11:47 <+bridge> <teero777> not invert its colors
11:49 <+bridge> <fushi_gg> ngl I thought it always just sent the flag then but I forgot it was changed
11:50 <+bridge> <alw5> does bind x "+toggle cl_show_hook_coll_own 1 2;+showhookcoll" work?
11:51 <+bridge> <teero777> it does, thanks xd
11:51 <+bridge> <alw5> no problem
11:53 <+bridge> <jxsl13> here, my cavemen: https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman
11:54 <+bridge> <teero777> `bind lshift "+toggle cl_show_hook_coll_own 1 2;+toggle cl_hook_coll_size 2 0;+showhookcoll"`
11:54 <+bridge> <teero777> final version, noice
11:59 <+bridge> <fushi_gg> actually it wasn't even changed I only remembered the og way of pressing the bind and then opening the chat to keep it perma open
15:40 <+bridge> <alw5> ^ @heinrich5991 would you be fine with both? and why are you against it? it doesnt seem like you provided a reason only assa did
15:41 <+bridge> <alw5> ^ @heinrich5991 would you be fine with both? and why are you against it? it doesnt seem like you provided a reason only assa did or do you share the same concerns as assa
15:41 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> probably not fine with both, no
15:42 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> chat commands aren't a good interface
15:42 <+bridge> <alw5> what about cl_show_others and /showothers?
15:43 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> /showothers isn't a good interface either
15:43 <+bridge> <alw5> would you want it removed?
15:43 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> no, it's what people are used to
15:46 <+bridge> <alw5> i feel like there is some inconsistency like /showall only is a comamnd and im 99% sure there isnt a client variable to control it
15:47 <+bridge> <alw5> if people are used to chat commands then i think having both a command variable and a chat command is fine
15:47 <+bridge> <alw5> as you said people are used to it
15:47 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I mean that I wouldn't remove /showall because people are used to type /showall for showall functionality
15:47 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> not that people are used to chat commands for all actions
15:49 <+bridge> <alw5> why are you against having both ways do you think it makes it too complex?
15:49 <+bridge> <alw5> i feel like if showall can have both this can aswell
15:49 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I think we shouldn't add bad interfaces
15:49 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> showall has both because it was added as chat command first and real people know that as a way to change /showall
15:50 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> if we don't add it for sending a snap more often than every other tick, then they won't learn it
15:51 <+bridge> <alw5> the only reason why he wants it as a command is to support old clients right?
15:51 <+bridge> <alw5> is there a way to register commands only for older clients?
15:51 <+bridge> <alw5> or is that even more inconsistent
15:51 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> people using old clients should just update to get new features
15:52 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> if you're using an unmaintained client, you shouldn't expect to get new features IMO
15:53 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> (this all is under the assumption that we actually want this feature at all, btw. I'm slightly opposed to adding the feature at all, barring more motivation or some analysis)
15:53 <+bridge> <alw5> yeah i agree
15:53 <+bridge> <alw5> i just suggested that to make fokko happy
15:54 <+bridge> <murpi> Totally agree with this. /showall, /specteam and /showothers is just all around horrible ux
15:54 <+bridge> <alw5> so why are u against it?
15:54 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> for a new feature, I want a motivation
15:54 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I didn't see enough motivation
15:55 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I didn't see an analysis how much this costs in server bandwidth
15:56 <+bridge> <alw5> well would it not make other tees 2x more responsive?
15:57 <+bridge> <alw5> that is a legitimate concern and should be addressed if the pr wants to be merged
15:59 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I don't know. would it? I think we're sending other tee's input more often nowadays?
16:00 <+bridge> <alw5> well that makes 2 that doesn't know
16:00 <+bridge> <alw5> is fokko still banned?
16:00 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> yes
16:00 <+bridge> <alw5> any plans of unbanning?
16:00 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I'll talk to you in DMs
18:12 <+bridge> <avolicious> fokko is banned?
18:12 <+bridge> <avolicious> 😮
18:12 <+bridge> <avolicious> Discord or mastersrv?
18:13 <+bridge> <teero777> discord
18:22 <+bridge> <avolicious> Could you forward it to me too, so you dont have to rewrite it again
18:23 <+bridge> <avolicious> Could you forward it to me too, so you dont have to write it again
18:33 <+bridge> <raptorie_> bro
18:33 <+bridge> <raptorie_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1507058824815706203/1.jpg?ex=6a108567&is=6a0f33e7&hm=699bd111fedcc700ac2ae5626aabe39e2c3d5c0a1cedc4ec8822d4cb7b9d161a&
18:33 <+bridge> <raptorie_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1507058825134604390/2.jpg?ex=6a108567&is=6a0f33e7&hm=2c400edb0c7968f8933fff2b39fa07bc5329582fb9e9eb61a8e9f68d771b1e66&
18:33 <+bridge> <raptorie_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1507058825545650287/3.jpg?ex=6a108567&is=6a0f33e7&hm=dafe9444e651c917c94fc74a9b2f7ae4dcf0f6aa01dfa88c496d6022da807f9f&
18:33 <+bridge> <raptorie_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1507058825868349550/4.jpg?ex=6a108567&is=6a0f33e7&hm=ef48977b3fac888bf28992903e10d656669560a838ad6ac6751896d99a3fceae&
18:47 <+bridge> <avolicious> I dont think its a good idea to ban server providers from DDNet Discord, as this is the main source of communication - atleast my pov
18:58 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> Bans in general are too strict and long here
19:01 <+bridge> <manikoo> it's a part of imaginary justice
19:01 <+bridge> <manikoo> let it be
19:02 <+bridge> <manikoo> free fokko :greenthing:
19:02 <+bridge> <melon> (other communities would've banned 10x the amount of people we banned)
19:03 <+bridge> <melon> we do tolerate a lot of things, and handle most things with timeouts instead of bans.
19:04 <+bridge> <melon> other communities usually ban after 2-3 timeouts :p
19:04 <+bridge> <manikoo> melon you gonna lower this multiplicator soon
19:04 <+bridge> <manikoo> yeah and it's good
19:05 <+bridge> <manikoo> if person is so bad then it's obvious
19:05 <+bridge> <manikoo> in the most of situations here we just have different opinions or trololo