00:21 <+bridge> <roflikbest> Why is this example considered bad? This function was originally designed to combine all these actions into one. I personally don't see any advantage. As I already said, anyone can download our client.
00:23 <+bridge> <teero777> i don't think actions that usually require multiple clients such as practicing on servers where practice is disabled, connecting more than 1 dummy or being on multiple servers at the same time should be considered legit.
00:23 <+bridge> <roflikbest> "where practice is disabled"
00:24 <+bridge> <roflikbest> This is already about kog, there is practice on ddrace
00:24 <+bridge> <teero777> anyone can download your unsigned, unverified releases or compile it themselves
00:26 <+bridge> <roflikbest> Sorry, I didn't quite understand the point of this message.
00:26 <+bridge> <teero777> anyone can download cheat clients to get an advantage too. that's not an argument.
00:29 <+bridge> <roflikbest> Fast practice doesn't add any new capabilities; it merely shortens the sequence of actions that are already allowed.
00:29 <+bridge> <roflikbest> 
00:29 <+bridge> <roflikbest> It's simply a more convenient way to do the same thing, not an unfair advantage like cheats that provide additional information or alter gameplay.
01:09 <+bridge> <sagas1_> bro
01:09 <+bridge> <sagas1_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1491213281933787326/1.jpg?ex=69d6e017&is=69d58e97&hm=e9dd9289ffc26c642b1ef2589777ed1c4c155e53675f9fb6c3ddb213a4ded265&
01:09 <+bridge> <sagas1_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1491213282290176162/2.jpg?ex=69d6e017&is=69d58e97&hm=2509d0209d2a40ff77ba65d53d6036bfccc277fdbad22826bb603f8f5913df92&
01:09 <+bridge> <sagas1_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1491213282646687996/3.jpg?ex=69d6e017&is=69d58e97&hm=2f322f399700cc111ce608a367025b73105899a073569577e39dd4a24fb3f642&
01:09 <+bridge> <sagas1_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1491213283225501737/4.jpg?ex=69d6e018&is=69d58e98&hm=2a32d37304fd51f132f2a269bda8bca518e9fab5378e9af0febe9e5eac192a47&
03:18 <+bridge> <alw5> how is it a cheat feature
03:20 <+bridge> <alw5> i would say its only an advantage of a time save
03:20 <+bridge> <alw5> but doesnt really add much since
03:20 <+bridge> <alw5> but doesnt really add much
03:33 <+bridge> <inv41idu53rn4m3> One thing that it does is reduce the friction, making people with this feature a lot more likely to test things like that
03:37 <+bridge> <alw5> true
03:37 <+bridge> <alw5> but then again u could have a bind
03:38 <+bridge> <alw5> that does a similar feature
03:38 <+bridge> <alw5> but this does reduce the friction since if u have a dummy its alot morework to practice a part
04:03 <+bridge> <ramirok_> One question who do matrix in the server can explain how do
04:16 <+bridge> <totar> it depends if 4 dummies is a cheat feature
05:44 <+bridge> <inv41idu53rn4m3> more than 1 dummy is kind of a cheat imo, if you can very quickly switch between them
08:34 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> So gnome is a cheat? I can instantly switch between 4 dummies there :D
11:23 <+bridge> <Assa> .
11:28 <+bridge> <Assa> git config directories are so nice
11:28 <+bridge> <Assa> finally I solved my identity crysis on all of my devices
12:26 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> git config directories?
12:27 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> you mean `git config` without `--global`?
13:38 <+bridge> <inv41idu53rn4m3> Gnome is a nerf because it's so slow (we don't speak of Windows here)
13:41 <+bridge> <inv41idu53rn4m3> I assume you don't have your window switching keybinds as comfortable to hit in gameplay as your dummy switch bind but I suppose that could be changed
13:41 <+bridge> <inv41idu53rn4m3> It'd be so cursed to bind a normal letter key to a window manager action
13:49 <+bridge> <learath2> Perhaps something like this? I had this while I was doing my internship
13:49 <+bridge> <learath2> ```
13:49 <+bridge> <learath2> [includeIf "gitdir:~/W/"]
13:49 <+bridge> <learath2>   path = .gitconfig-work
13:49 <+bridge> <learath2> ```
13:50 <+bridge> <Assa> no, you can configure git for directories seperately, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8801729/is-it-possible-to-have-different-git-configuration-for-different-projects
13:51 <+bridge> <Assa> I got called out from fokko for not `discussing new features without implementing them too early and too quick`, while the PR is over a year old and was in dead silence
13:52 <+bridge> <Assa> there is no point in opening an issue, if nobody is willing to discuss them. And I'll not wait a fucking year until I get any response
13:54 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> I did not call you out for that, but explained my points.
13:54 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> 
13:54 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> Keep framing me
13:54 <+bridge> <Assa> You are right, I should have opened an issue, but the PR is older than me beeing maintainer
13:54 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> whataboutism
13:55 <+bridge> <Assa> if you say so
13:57 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> I simply dislike your framing of me, "wanting f-ddrace behaviour" or "calling you out".
13:57 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> I want to discuss features, not play your games
13:57 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> I used f-ddrace as a reference, but would not want the exact behaviour in DDNet for example.
13:58 <+bridge> <Assa> I really understood it like you want f-ddrace behavior, and I don't see anything wrong with wanting this?
13:59 <+bridge> <Assa> please also don't get me wrong there, I also want opinions from others there, in the end I'd also be fine with your implementation
14:00 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> Simply not correct tho, let's discuss features over useless discussions like these.
14:00 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> 
14:00 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> And don't get me wrong, I am also fine with another implementation but really simply want to discuss features and share my thoughts.
14:01 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> I guess that will be required. I dont think the current proposal will make it. But again, my opinion
14:01 <+bridge> <Assa> then why did you tell me that I whould open an issue an discuss features before implementing? This is what I don't get
14:01 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> Where did I say that?
14:02 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> I think that again is a mis interpretation of my words
14:02 <+bridge> <Assa> `I want to follow @heinrich5991's approach of discussing new features without implementing them too early and too quick.`
14:02 <+bridge> <Assa> 
14:02 <+bridge> <Assa> Do I missinterprete this? apparently I am
14:03 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> Its the basis for my points and arguments.
14:03 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> We can discuss in a PR too, not only in issues
14:04 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> I explicitly said this because there were things in the past where DDNet staff is quick to merge. (Like tunezone override).
14:05 <+bridge> <Assa> I don't think this is "just merged" anytime soon, I believe Robyt is working on an experimental client with all the new proposed (and implemented) custom tiles
14:05 <+bridge> <Assa> also this feature needs a map, which is not there yet at all
14:06 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> That's right
14:06 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Might be another topic:
14:06 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> I think we always get stuck on new features and our contributors would rather do some refactors than new features.
14:06 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Not saying that refactor is meaningless, but there have been lots of minor refactors. Besides, ddnet is still running on SDL2.
14:07 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> We could do a lot improvement for gaming experience actually.
14:07 <+bridge> <Assa> Still thank you for the review, I really didn't want to cause any drama, maybe I shouldn't have posted here
14:08 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> Probably. No drama from my side, but I agree that we should keep technical discussions on GitHub?
14:15 <+bridge> <Assa> I'll answer but my Laptop just shutdown due to no battery left 🫠
14:47 <+bridge> <ryozuki> https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/work_items/700
14:47 <+bridge> <ryozuki> this is insane
14:47 <+bridge> <ryozuki> qemu hardcaps at 30 fps for no reason wtf
14:47 <+bridge> <ryozuki> and i was going crazy with my os not feeling snappy
14:52 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ah with sdl backend works better
14:52 <+bridge> <ryozuki> i guess gtk suxs
15:11 <+bridge> <Assa> do you want to do SDL3 v4?
16:17 <+bridge> <kebscs> TL = top left TR = top right, BL = bottom left etc
16:17 <+bridge> <kebscs> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1344411832294834216/image.png?ex=69d768d6&is=69d61756&hm=4261ddd4c1a0a4149e28db2956767e63cfb98d820caae73bc28451a0e177699a&
16:18 <+bridge> <robyt3> They also wrote a blog post on fuzzing the Teeworlds network: https://logicaltrust.net/blog/2020/07/socketfuzzer.html
16:18 <+bridge> <robyt3> Fuzzing the map format isn't really worth it unless for learning, you should easily find crashes everywhere because the format is mostly unchecked at the moment
16:18 <+bridge> <kollpotato> ChillerDragon: so basically, in the 0.7 protocol documentation, in one place, it's written there are 501 null bytes added to the end of the token control packet and in another 508 null bytes. (I tested both cases and 508 is the correct one).
16:18 <+bridge> <kollpotato> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1306940245266141204/image0.png?ex=69d789f4&is=69d63874&hm=b91c8bd5faedcb419e2a5dfe329332b49986a5faa91837c35cda4551f82036cc&
16:18 <+bridge> <kollpotato> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1306940245752942612/image1.png?ex=69d789f4&is=69d63874&hm=4f1c62c1568bd073d8fd8cebb5f3acb9d5e402b855121ab71fdafc5169a402d3&
16:30 <+bridge> <Deleted User> will be it fixed ?
16:30 <+bridge> <Deleted User> switch don't deactivate can't hit others tile . (after dummy went true switch deactivate , only deep deactivates)
16:30 <+bridge> <Deleted User> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/768212247074963466/3685d57d36459edae3080d386426e3d6.png?ex=69d76628&is=69d614a8&hm=360e56697370ce2ca9b4a32f2126f57421fdc66a91e090bab8b5b6ce4c654c17&
17:05 <+bridge> <kebscs> "contributors would get rather do some refacrors than new issues" 😂
17:06 <+bridge> <kebscs> Submit gameplay feature - blocked by new map rule, admins don't help with getting mappers
17:06 <+bridge> <kebscs> Submit non-gameplay feature - blocked because 2 maintainers have different opinion
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ```
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki> edgar@gentoo ~/data/ddnet $ git log --format=format: --name-only --since="1 year ago" | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | head -20
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>    2480
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     116 src/game/editor/editor.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     103 src/game/server/gamecontext.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      93 CMakeLists.txt
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      88 src/game/client/gameclient.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      79 src/engine/server/server.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      77 src/engine/client/client.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      61 src/game/editor/editor.h
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      56 src/base/system.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      52 src/base/system.h
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      50 src/engine/shared/config_variables.h
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      48 src/game/client/components/menus_settings.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      46 src/game/client/components/players.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      45 src/game/server/gamecontext.h
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      45 src/game/server/entities/character.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      43 src/game/server/ddracechat.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      43 src/game/editor/popups.cpp
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      41 src/game/client/gameclient.h
17:15 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      36 src/game/client/components/menus.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki>      34 src/game/editor/mapitems/layer_tiles.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ```
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki> random data
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki> top files most modified in the last year
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki> https://piechowski.io/post/git-commands-before-reading-code/
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ```
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki> git log -i -E --grep="fix|bug|broken" --name-only --format='' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | head -20
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     374 src/engine/client/client.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     341 src/game/server/gamecontext.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     310 src/game/editor/editor.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     279 src/game/server/entities/character.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     272 src/game/client/gameclient.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki>     266 src/engine/server/server.cpp
17:16 <+bridge> <ryozuki> ```
17:17 <+bridge> <ryozuki> most buggy files, lol i never thought about using commits for this
17:17 <+bridge> <kebscs> Nice
17:18 <+bridge> <kebscs> Editor.cpp, gameclient.cpp are just too big
17:57 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> yeah
17:57 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> That was I wanted to say
17:57 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> D:
18:06 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Maybe I could. But my top priority task right now is an RPG mode.
18:09 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Do that for DDNet is more difficult than for teeworlds.
18:25 <+bridge> <Assa> I gave this already a try with generated multiworlds and noticed, that even with procedual content this is a fucking huge task
18:26 <+bridge> <Assa> and grindy missions or sitting in one place for 2 hours is stupid and bad game design i.e. city servers
18:29 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> Survival craft RPG mod, not something like MRPG or MMOTEE D:
18:32 <+bridge> <Assa> good luck 🙂
18:33 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> I can do hammer hit with two clients and gnome default keybindings
18:35 <+bridge> <ryozuki> why gnome
18:35 <+bridge> <matodor> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/12022
18:45 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> waste more snapshot space
18:49 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> but,
18:49 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> yeah
18:49 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> nice look
19:00 <+bridge> <matodor> not more waste then create pictures from lasers :owo:
19:02 <+bridge> <kebscs> I like the pr
19:02 <+bridge> <kebscs> Opens up a lot of possibilities
19:02 <+bridge> <kebscs> Maybe with it custom game modes would be more interesting
19:08 <+bridge> <bamcane_tee237> That's right
19:20 <+bridge> <Assa> I guess similar stuff would be possible with envelope tiggers, but admittedly not that clean
19:21 <+bridge> <alw5> idea seems cool
19:21 <+bridge> <alw5> and it should be added if its possible
19:26 <+bridge> <matodor> yeah, infclass use this trick if im not mistake
19:38 <+bridge> <Assa> yes but in a very hacky way
20:42 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> Gnome is what I use. Gnome is the best I know
20:42 <+bridge> <reitw> agreed, gnome is good