00:10 <+bridge> <louis> what u actually gonna do w the board doe
06:33 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> chillerDragon: I found this here, but where's the mod? How can I get it? Byfox told me it's a chiller mod, so I can get it. Or not.
06:33 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1490207703170285608/image.png?ex=69d33793&is=69d1e613&hm=3ca060c5cb6459dbbb5f989bba6ca5a1867c9ead230ab731e5d1875d78d73f1e&
06:36 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-what-wut-crazy-gif-1680519747041896114
07:06 <+bridge> <byfox> > Byfox told me it's a chiller mod, so I can get it. Or not.
07:06 <+bridge> <byfox> > 
07:06 <+bridge> <byfox> I don't understand why I should be mentioned, I just sent a link to the organization at his request :)
07:06 <+bridge> <byfox> > Byfox told me it's a chiller mod, so I can get it. Or not.
07:06 <+bridge> <byfox> 
07:06 <+bridge> <byfox> I don't understand why I should be mentioned, I just sent a link to the organization at his request :)
07:49 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> @heckerisprolegit4250: 0XF is closed source
09:31 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> when open?
09:32 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> ChillerDragon: when open?
12:34 <+bridge> <matodor> no chance
12:35 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> not a chance of using your own words to communicate in PRs?
12:36 <+bridge> <matodor> im not a native english user, it's hard for me, AI or google translate they would have been needed anyway
12:37 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> please use google translate
12:37 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> it's a lot easier to read human-written text
12:37 <+bridge> <matodor> and whats wrong with ai summary?
12:37 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> nothing, but maintainers can use their own AI summary if they want to
12:38 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> as a contributor, you're expected to put in some effort
12:38 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> (so that maintainers don't waste their time reviewing LLM-generated stuff. maintainers can use LLMs themselves if they want to review LLM-generated stuff)
12:39 <+bridge> <matodor> reviewers can use for review code changes, pr summary for others people, not only for maintainers
12:41 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> that's not the decision of the contributor
12:41 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> reviewing stuff takes longer than producing it
12:41 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> that was true before LLMs existed
12:41 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> with LLMs, the imbalance shifted even furhter
12:42 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> so it makes sense to require contributors to put in the minimum level of effort
12:42 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> describing changes yourself shouldn't be hard, since you've hopefully understood them
12:45 <+bridge> <matodor> What difference does it make whether I write the same thing myself or generate it through LLM?
12:45 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> this
12:47 <+bridge> <matodor> what effort? Do you think it was done in 5 minutes and one prompt?
12:47 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> no
12:47 <+bridge> <aegisub> the issue is that an outsider has no way of knowing whether effort was put into it when they only see the LLM output
12:50 <+bridge> <matodor> LLM researched ddnet issues and #7777 and said heinrich5991 aproves it, because it's dont have any network changes, work this demo without changes :justatest:
12:50 <+bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7777
12:51 <+bridge> <matodor> LLM researched ddnet issues and #7777 and said heinrich5991 aproves it, because it's dont have any network changes, work with demo without changes :justatest:
12:51 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> again, use your own words to communicate
12:51 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> don't say "but my LLM said"
12:51 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> say what you think yourself
12:51 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> what do **you** think?
12:51 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I don't care what your word generation tool has to say
12:53 <+bridge> <matodor> The tool simply outlined the changes and motivation in three paragraphs, based on my own thoughts and requirements.
12:53 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> great, now think of a summary for yourself
12:54 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> you can use the LLM output to inform your own opinion
12:54 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> but I don't care about reading words from some word generation algorithm
12:54 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> if you can't be bothered to read the LLM output, why should I?
12:57 <+bridge> <matodor> What exactly don't you like? If I wrote 10 times more text in my own words, would that be okay with you? Wasting your time.
12:57 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> yes, if you put thought into your words
12:58 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> I don't like the effort asymmetry
13:04 <+bridge> <matodor> sorry about that. I rewrote the PR description in my own words.
14:05 <+bridge> <murpi> FWIW google translate is AI powered as well 😄
14:05 <+bridge> <murpi> Since 2016
14:08 <+bridge> <jxsl13> #7777 best issue number and content.
14:08 <+bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7777
16:11 <+bridge> <learath2> I've been using SEGGER Embedded Studio for working on RISCV and honestly this is the first time I see the value in proprietary software. Things literally JUSTWORK
16:49 <+bridge> <melon> :FrogPopcorn:
17:09 <+bridge> <louis> Someone can put in a lot of effort snd have really bad code though
17:09 <+bridge> <louis> and vice versa
17:12 <+bridge> <louis> oh if it's about descriptions then yeah llms use way too many words
17:18 <+bridge> <learath2> Humans might just be the worst register allocators 😄
17:18 <+bridge> <learath2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1490370131342131401/image.png?ex=69d3ced9&is=69d27d59&hm=4b81184b1a10fd22fa00bac51541a9aeca81f17945199363a8fda2ed6136fb87&
18:44 <+bridge> <milkeeycat> what are you doing? 0_o
18:45 <+bridge> <learath2> Implementing the RECTANGLE cipher in rv32 assembly using the bitsliced format
18:45 <+bridge> <learath2> Thankfully RV32 has a metric fuckton of registers
18:49 <+bridge> <learath2> I don't think I see any other easy pickings to reduce register pressure there, perhaps I can recompute t6 as it lives long
18:50 <+bridge> <learath2> I could spill, but who wants to spill
18:51 <+bridge> <milkeeycat> write it in C and look at clang's output xd
18:51 <+bridge> <learath2> Or I could use the top halves of the registers too, but then every operation on them requires a temporary and shifts to mask off
18:52 <+bridge> <learath2> Actually would be nice to see what clang does. I'm sure it can do much much better than me
18:52 <+bridge> <learath2> (or maybe it'll spill, idk tbf)
19:33 <+bridge> <everomt> hey，how to use volleybot
19:35 <+bridge> <everomt> volley map
19:35 <+bridge> <everomt> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1490404450160873542/image.png?ex=69d3eecf&is=69d29d4f&hm=0971426fffacd45883c88cd1faa848b9fb38b550f06ee3262fce4231aad0fba0&
19:39 <+bridge> <12944qwerty> /w Volleybot help
19:39 <+bridge> <12944qwerty> Iirc
19:40 <+bridge> <12944qwerty> It's not a bot to play against, it just manages elo and ranked play
19:42 <+bridge> <12944qwerty> Might be !commands not !help
19:42 <+bridge> <12944qwerty> I can't remember
19:42 <+bridge> <everomt> Can it be used as a ball？
19:42 <+bridge> <12944qwerty> No
19:42 <+bridge> <everomt> OK fine，XD,THX
20:50 <+bridge> <jxsl13> did my bachelor's thesis on microcontrollers 👀. I tried 3 probes until a proprietary one worked with my dev board... I did not want to work with Windows, so  I used PlatformIO on macOS until the J-Link EDU one worked 👀. Had to flash firmwares on the Blackmagic probe until one of the previous revisions worked with my micocontroller 😭.
20:50 <+bridge> <jxsl13> and j-link edu is from segger 😄
20:54 <+bridge> <jxsl13> and it worked out of the box D:
20:54 <+bridge> <learath2> Telling you, the most streamlined experience I've had with proprietary software, on linux too, didn't even have to mess around with weird settings to get it to work with my tiling wm
20:55 <+bridge> <learath2> Just `./bin/emStudio &` and everything just worked, no path issues, no files not found, eventhough I installed it in a non standard directory
20:57 <+bridge> <learath2> And the license is so friendly, completely free for non-commercial and education
21:00 <+bridge> <jxsl13> yeah that is nice. but commercial hard- and software cost a shit ton of money 😄
21:00 <+bridge> <jxsl13> but probably worth it.
21:00 <+bridge> <learath2> Honestly, the strategy they have is quite sane. Get students and hobbyists hooked on it for free, so if they ever end up working in the industry they can make their bosses pay up
21:01 <+bridge> <jxsl13> it's fair and they do a great job at stuff just working.
21:01 <+bridge> <learath2> Like in this case, I could definitely set up a cross compiler and qemu, but then I need to mess around with attaching gdb to qemu, and I think I also need to rebuild gdb to support rv32
21:02 <+bridge> <learath2> I also don't really remember how to run just a random executable on bare rv32, also I have an object completely in assembly, so I need to mess around with linking it up
21:03 <+bridge> <jxsl13> takes a lot of time messing around with getting a stupid led blinking. getting flashbacks here 😭.
21:04 <+bridge> <jxsl13> The PlatformIO forum was a big help, tho.
21:04 <+bridge> <jxsl13> can recommend
21:04 <+bridge> <learath2> I guess one downside to commercial tools like this is that support is far more limited. As in you can't really just google issues
21:05 <+bridge> <learath2> (unless the software is extremely popular, like photoshop or sth)