06:54 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> @gorp_tw: iirc it strips all spaces before the arguments, between and after. Unless of course you use an `r` parameter then it keeps spaces between and after, unless of course you use quotes then it ignores everything after the closing quote including spaces.
06:55 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> The /w command in general is a bit cursed because it’s one of the few commands that are half hardcodet instead of using the console system xd
06:57 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> Thing is if a players name is `Person    hi` you can whisper them the message „foo“ like this `/w Person    hi foo`
06:57 <+bridge> <chillerdragon> Best is if there is a player called „nameless tee“ and a player called „nameless“ xd
08:14 <+bridge> <totar> can anyone else reproduce this? it should be pretty simple
08:14 <+bridge> <totar> I swear it didn't used to do this
08:20 <+bridge> <Assa> I think not, no
08:47 <+bridge> <totar> imaginary bug, pay no attention
08:48 <+bridge> <Assa> > well... I restarted my PC and it went away, so I'm unable to reproduce it anymore.
08:48 <+bridge> <Assa> 
08:48 <+bridge> <Assa> Wtf, check if you have a bitcoin miner running or something
08:51 <+bridge> <Assa> hoi, you didn't push your latest changes to github btw. I guess you are still working on the pR?
08:51 <+bridge> <12944qwerty> Oh uh forgot
08:54 <+bridge> <totar> I think messing with my monitor settings testing 11893 made one of my drivers unhappy or something
08:55 <+bridge> <totar> I'm not gonna change the hertz setting 20 times again to find out
08:55 <+bridge> <totar> I'm not gonna change the hertz setting 20 times again to find out so who knows
09:15 <+bridge_> <Assa> <@&293541515781996568> I deleted the "PR: Waiting for Author" label and instead aim to convert PRs into drafts instead, if a PR needs changes from the author. The reason being that contributors can make their PR ready (undraft it) if they believe it's ready, but can't get rid of the label while PRs with that label were often not reviewed and needed to be checked for the label to be removed. This decision was not done by me alone and I hope this makes
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> yeah i like that more than PR: Waithing for Author
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> prevents people from going
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> @essigautomat can you check again? :owo: 
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> :p
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> yeah i like that more than PR: Waithing for Author
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> prevents people from going:
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> @essigautomat can you check again? :owo: 
09:49 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> :p
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> yeah i like that more than PR: Waiting for Author
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> prevents people from going:
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> @essigautomat can you check again? :owo: 
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> :p
09:50 <+bridge_> <Assa> This will still happen, even if the ppl know I am subscribed to their PR :kek:  and I also do the opposite, because some people just need a reminder
09:50 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> your sentence made me check my PR and fix it up so eh
09:51 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> yeah - some people do need a reminder.. :kekMonki:
09:52 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> also, did anyone else have the issue of vscodes markdown preview(er) changing structure?
09:52 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> it was different between github and my preview.. which is annoying
09:53 <+bridge_> <Assa> in theory github has their own markdown flavor - on the other side both is done by microsoft, so maybe they slopped it up
09:54 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> :PauseChamp:
10:53 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> is it german of me to think its "selfkill" instead of "self kill"?
10:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> asking LLM for help only gives me this trash: 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (USA): Call or text 988. Available 24/7.
10:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> maybe self-kill but phew fakin hyphens
10:55 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i feel like over the years i made up my own english dialect that sounds to me better than what would be gramatically correct
10:56 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/self-kill
10:57 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> doesn't seem to have a real opinion on which is more correct
10:57 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> all three forms are listedd
10:57 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> all three forms are listed
10:59 <+bridge_> <totar> self kill is probably most correct imo
10:59 <+bridge_> <totar> usually shortening two words into one is a mistake
11:00 <+bridge_> <totar> self-kill is probably also fine
11:01 <+bridge_> <Assa> ^ @chillerdragon
11:02 <+bridge_> <Assa> hmm are you bridge issued with this 🤔
11:06 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> ye bridge always fucked https://private-user-images.githubusercontent.com/20344300/560203777-aae79815-2740-427b-88bc-ad3cbed347b3.png?jwt=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJpc3MiOiJnaXRodWIuY29tIiwiYXVkIjoicmF3LmdpdGh1YnVzZXJjb250ZW50LmNvbSIsImtleSI6ImtleTUiLCJleHAiOjE3NzMwNTEwNzYsIm5iZiI6MTc3MzA1MDc3NiwicGF0aCI6Ii8yMDM0NDMwMC81NjAyMDM3NzctYWFlNzk4MTUtMjc0MC00MjdiLTg4YmMtYWQzY2JlZDM0N2IzLnBuZz9YLUFtei1BbGdvcml0aG09QVdTNC1ITUFDLVNIQTI1Ni
11:06 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> the wiki one looks like a good source
11:07 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> nice so i can keep saying selfkill even if my source of truth for proper english solly vevo said self kill
11:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> HOLY LSP
11:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> i cant send images can i? xd
11:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> ok never mind u will never know then xd
11:43 <+bridge_> <totar> if you format it to go inside a discord link then it will look fine [like this](https://private-user-images.githubusercontent.com/20344300/560203777-aae79815-2740-427b-88bc-ad3cbed347b3.png?jwt=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJpc3MiOiJnaXRodWIuY29tIiwiYXVkIjoicmF3LmdpdGh1YnVzZXJjb250ZW50LmNvbSIsImtleSI6ImtleTUiLCJleHAiOjE3NzMwNTEwNzYsIm5iZiI6MTc3MzA1MDc3NiwicGF0aCI6Ii8yMDM0NDMwMC81NjAyMDM3NzctYWFlNzk4MTUtMjc0MC00MjdiLTg4YmMtYWQzY2JlZDM0N2IzLn
11:43 <+bridge_> <totar> huh, that seems to have prevented it from embedding the image
11:44 <+bridge_> <totar> discord sux
11:44 <+bridge_> <totar> oh actually the link is just dead now
11:44 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> yes
11:52 <+bridge_> <soulyvevo> you sending images looks like thsoe discord spam bots xd
12:42 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> ho ly its PullNMerge Monday
13:11 <+bridge_> <egor002434> hi
13:12 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> hi
13:12 <+bridge_> <learath2> hi
13:27 <+bridge_> <qxdfox> hi
13:32 <+bridge_> <heckerisprolegit4250> hi...
13:38 <+bridge_> <bencie> hi
13:39 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> hi
13:50 <+bridge_> <teero777> hi
13:51 <+bridge_> <Assa> hi - nrich was just faster than me closing this
13:54 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> When I saw that issue, I knows that must be a terrible idea. D:
13:54 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> I think we should add a guideline against LLM-generated feature proposals
13:55 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> Upcoming pr 🤩
13:55 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> the time developers spend on it is not related to the time people need to generate these
13:55 <+bridge_> <Assa> PPl were already angry at me for introducing the checkbox for PRs ...
13:58 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> They're not the same tho
13:59 <+bridge_> <totar> I learned that KCP is a thing that exists so it wasnt a total waste of time
14:00 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> And then you also learned that's not a standard protocol.
14:00 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> It's just a widely-used custom protocol.
14:01 <+bridge_> <totar> Well nothing other than tcp or udp is a "standard" protocol so you dont have to check
14:01 <+bridge_> <heckerisprolegit4250> Guys, can you help me make an ID for the reason for the ban? I just need to customize it somehow. I only have a reason for the IP ban (reason - hacker2022p)
14:02 <+bridge_> <totar> Cloudflare does have some special handling for QUIC tho so its half standard
14:02 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> At least there's no RFC related to KCP.
14:02 <+bridge_> <totar> RFC = request for change?
14:03 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> something like this:
14:03 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc9293.html
14:03 <+bridge_> <Assa> there are lots of protocols build upon UDP, there is also the RTP protocol for example
14:04 <+bridge_> <totar> Im aware how protocols work yes
14:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> so I'd argue that this is a different internet-stack-layer we're talking about
14:06 <+bridge_> <patiga> request for comment
14:06 <+bridge_> <totar> It doesnt really matter if someone approves the protocol for you to use it, it just travels over UDP
14:07 <+bridge_> <patiga> I think rfc is synonym to "proposal"
14:07 <+bridge_> <Assa> <https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20RFC> :owo:
14:08 <+bridge_> <Assa> I sometimes like to use RFC as "Gimme input"
14:09 <+bridge_> <heckerisprolegit4250> Guys why not answer me?
14:09 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> okay, that person can apparaently only talk in LLM
14:09 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> I don't think we should encourage that
14:09 <+bridge_> <totar> Do Chinese isps have special routing for KCP?
14:10 <+bridge_> <totar> Why is it popular there
14:11 <+bridge_> <Assa> this was apparently the creator of the YClient - **maybe** this was only a language barrier, but yeah ...
14:11 <+bridge_> <Assa> (I can't tell if I break a rul here, because I don't know of this client and what it does 🤷‍♂️ )
14:12 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> They just don't want to do things like what teeworlds did in the network base.
14:12 <+bridge_> <totar> ?
14:13 <+bridge_> <Assa> it might result in a better connection while ~~haveing the gov stealing packages~~ having package loss :justatest:
14:14 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> I think that's just because
14:14 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> KCP has a library to use
14:14 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> Really simple.
14:15 <+bridge_> <learath2> That person is possibly an AI agent. I've heard other projects get these too
14:15 <+bridge_> <learath2> https://cybernews.com/security/openclaw-bot-attacks-developer-who-rejected-its-code/
14:15 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> I do know that person in game tho
14:15 <+bridge_> <totar> They're not
14:16 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> I also watched him stream on bilibili once
14:16 <+bridge_> <totar> They have a tclient fork with commit called "fuck the build"
14:16 <+bridge_> <learath2> Oh, then just someone using LLM to do the talking. Maybe they are just not comfortable talking in english
14:16 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> Oh yeah, that reminded me one thing.
14:17 <+bridge_> <totar> They have a tclient fork with commit called "fuck the release"
14:18 <+bridge_> <bamcane_tee237> I would use bing translator to translate the words which I don't know how to express sometimes. :3
14:55 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> Yandex/deepl translator are decent to at least make a bit of sense
14:55 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> 
14:55 <+bridge_> <blaiszephyr> AI takes a single sentence and makes it a formal 2 page essay :froggo_sip:
14:57 <+bridge_> <totar> google translate is best now in my experience
14:58 <+bridge_> <totar> They buffed it a lot
15:07 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> but i indeed use llm to translate as well
15:08 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> just don't let it write anything itself
15:08 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> they're better than most traditional ones
15:10 <+bridge_> <Assa> do you use it on discord for chat?
15:27 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> whats kcp
15:29 <+bridge_> <Communist> some kind of reliable udp, which deals with orders and resent. but quic is probably better now anyway.
15:30 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> btw suggesting a feature will always be way less effort than implementing tho, llm or not generated, though its true llm makes it even less effort
15:30 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> i can say create X tile to do Y and its also low effort
15:31 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> yup
15:31 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> but i wouldnt be harsh towards ppl who have hard time with english if they use ai to translate
15:31 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> tho idk if thats the case
15:32 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> it wasn't a "I translated xyz"
15:32 <+bridge_> <heinrich5991> it was a "I generated a 2 pages long proposal from 2 sentences"
15:33 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> ye sucks ig
15:34 <+bridge_> <Communist> why did you edit it lol. took me a few minutes to even realize what is the problem in the issue.
15:36 <+bridge_> <pioooooo> nope, only when i need it
16:04 <+bridge_> <patiga> damn twmap doesn't parse automappers with modulo yet :/
16:04 <+bridge_> <Assa> does it parse random?
16:05 <+bridge_> <patiga> yes
16:05 <+bridge_> <patiga> I think I also properly ported the seeding
16:10 <+bridge_> <patiga> if anyone wants to implement modulo for automappers in twmap, feel free ^^
16:11 <+bridge_> <Assa> I already used twmap instead of an automapper :kek:
16:28 <+bridge_> <soulyvevo> i use r++ all the time its great
16:28 <+bridge_> <soulyvevo> honestly writing any rules completely manually is a pain in the ass
17:48 <+bridge_> <Assa> I just wrote the simple ddnet automapper until I had it barely working and then just stopped xD I still use it
20:24 <+bridge_> <teero777> furo: https://ddstats.tw/leaderboards can you add most ingame playtime?
20:52 <+bridge_> <alw5> https://git.ddstats.tw/ddstats/ddstats-web/issues/11
20:52 <+bridge_> <alw5> already requested :brownbear:
20:53 <+bridge_> <teero777> ah ok thx :)
22:47 <+bridge_> <_mattsun_> bro
22:47 <+bridge_> <_mattsun_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1480683409293574287/1.jpg?ex=69b09162&is=69af3fe2&hm=17d9df9f678d10f22a24202a28be5d655eeca65a78e86e5e295cf2224e848985&
22:47 <+bridge_> <_mattsun_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1480683409729917038/2.jpg?ex=69b09162&is=69af3fe2&hm=fd8abd128d4b1c0dc090991740d1d26d29ea07e1d28d363455dcf86a5e62e6d6&
22:47 <+bridge_> <_mattsun_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1480683410065195078/3.jpg?ex=69b09162&is=69af3fe2&hm=9e03e7e6d2838278b55429c4d796703608bdf87e5b690648404e029c7fa07804&
22:47 <+bridge_> <_mattsun_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1480683410518310962/4.jpg?ex=69b09162&is=69af3fe2&hm=d1af32b7f4b9e08d2e85c4a455850fffcca8bce0d550a514fbfa9c256f8b4427&
22:50 <+bridge_> <fushi_gg> can anyone alse not create forks on github rn? it doesn't seem to let me for some reason
22:52 <+bridge_> <fushi_gg> oh wait I can't fork a ddnet fork because I already forked ddnet 💀
22:53 <+bridge_> <totar> github only allows 1 fork from the same tree
22:54 <+bridge_> <totar> although maybe not
22:54 <+bridge_> <totar> I have 2 forks
22:54 <+bridge_> <fushi_gg> I can just make a repo and add the fork to upstream right?
22:54 <+bridge_> <totar> if one is in an organization then it seems to allow you to have more
22:54 <+bridge_> <totar> locally yes but you can only pull request from the official fork
22:56 <+bridge_> <fushi_gg> this is pain
22:56 <+bridge_> <totar> what are you trying to do
22:56 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> cant close LAN while connected to another server?
22:56 <+bridge_> <totar> wdym close LAN/
22:56 <+bridge_> <totar> wdym close LAN?
22:57 <+bridge_> <fushi_gg> fork tclient but I have a ddnet fork
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> LAN server
22:57 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> this happened to me recently idk how i fixed it
22:57 <+bridge_> <totar> you can't do anything while connecting to a server can you?
22:58 <+bridge_> <fushi_gg> did u make an org?
22:58 <+bridge_> <totar> oh right
22:58 <+bridge_> <totar> I'm stupid
22:58 <+bridge_> <totar> the org owns my ddnet fork so I don't have 2
22:58 <+bridge_> <totar> I don't need a tclient fork lul
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> pretty much... kinda annoying
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so like i forgot to close lan server earlier when testing a map and id have to leave this server to do it
22:59 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> or open new client
23:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> or kill the process
23:00 <+bridge_> <totar> wait why
23:00 <+bridge_> <totar> how long are you in the connecting menu for
23:00 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> im connected
23:00 <+bridge_> <totar> you can close it once you join the server
23:00 <+bridge_> <totar> ?
23:00 <+bridge_> <totar> right?
23:00 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> https://reporoast.app/roast/ddnet/ddnet?profanity=true
23:00 <+bridge_> <totar> can you not get to the main menu while on a server?
23:01 <+bridge_> <totar> maybe not
23:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> the only thing you can check in game is browser, you can see demo but loading one disconnects you
23:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> no way to get to menu
23:01 <+bridge_> <totar> I see
23:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so basically you can do nothing except join another server is stupid
23:01 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> so basically you can do nothing except join another server which is stupid
23:02 <+bridge_> <totar> yeah you really can't close the server ig
23:02 <+bridge_> <totar> I can't find a command for it
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> OH WTF
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> not even a new client can do this
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> since it's not a forked process
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> of that client
23:03 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> sdpogjspdfdhomshbn
23:05 <+bridge_> <totar> > Your CMakeLists.txt is a 1,000-line abomination that could probably compile a small moon if given enough time.
23:05 <+bridge_> <totar> 
23:05 <+bridge_> <totar> best line
23:06 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> I sent tclient version too
23:06 <+bridge_> <12944qwerty> In that server
23:06 <+bridge_> <totar> I saw it in recent
23:06 <+bridge_> <totar> on the website
23:06 <+bridge_> <totar> it's like kinda the same
23:06 <+bridge_> <totar> > Your README.md is so bloated with dependency installation commands it reads like a Linux distro’s package manager having a panic attack.
23:06 <+bridge_> <totar> 
23:06 <+bridge_> <totar> true actually
23:12 <+bridge_> <totar> I remember when these used to be all green
23:12 <+bridge_> <totar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1480689792327876900/image.png?ex=69b09754&is=69af45d4&hm=69fe2c4b98dbf4544a7f72bff10d4db4f5582db19a8033cb6983c7042113a5c9&
23:12 <+bridge_> <totar> package maintainers got tired
23:28 <+bridge_> <totar> Watch demo has like a 0% chance of happening btw, demos work by tricking the whole client into joining a fake demo server
23:31 <+bridge_> <learath2> https://reporoast.app/roast/Teero888/ddnet_physics for some reason it suggested this next at the bottom
23:39 <+bridge_> <trophiie> why are the recently roasted just every repo made by teero 😭
23:40 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> because he's in his AI era duhg
23:40 <+bridge_> <gorp_tw> because he's in his AI era duh
23:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Only thing close to green is Teeworlds
23:42 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Old distros like older versions of Debian and Ubuntu were always behind right?
23:47 <+bridge_> <robyt3> Aren't dummies pretty similar actually? I think it might mostly work if you'd add a separate `CONN_DEMO` for handling snapshots and messages while playing a demo :justatest:
23:54 <+bridge_> <totar> what about all the component singletons?
23:55 <+bridge_> <totar> you'd need a second gameclient?
23:55 <+bridge_> <totar> oh
23:56 <+bridge_> <totar> you mean you keep the connection open but to the demo while you're viewing it and then back after
23:56 <+bridge_> <totar> that could work
23:56 <+bridge_> <totar> you mean you keep the connection open but switch to the demo while you're viewing it and then back after
23:57 <+bridge_> <robyt3> The problem is mostly the map I think
23:57 <+bridge_> <robyt3> You need to load the map separately for the demo
23:58 <+bridge_> <totar> also I think there must be some sort of warmup period for certain things that would be buggy when you switch back and fourth quickly
23:58 <+bridge_> <robyt3> It mostly works for dummy though
23:59 <+bridge_> <totar> yeah but a 3rd dummy would be extremely hard