01:47 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> please fix copy
01:47 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> dummy is so vibecoded actually
01:47 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> like why should i have to play a solo part twice because "some packets dropped btw" let me opt into telling the server im a dummy at least
01:48 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> mabye back to old code?
01:48 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> what are you even saying
01:49 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> Maybe should return to the old code?
01:49 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> maybe we shouldnt advertise it as dummy copy, lets call it "dummy tries to do what you do"
01:49 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> what are you even saying
01:49 <+bridge> <totar> it shouldn't be that inconsistent...
01:49 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> I've had to redo like 3 parts in this run because of desync
01:49 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> 3 different times in the same run
01:49 <+bridge> <totar> how high is your margin
01:50 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> it is 10
01:50 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> the default
01:50 <+bridge> <totar> yeah idk
01:50 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> i am on a server a STATE away from me
01:50 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> like 30 ping
01:50 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> the fact that it's 2 sockets is bad for other reasons, not just this
01:51 <+bridge> <totar> increasing the margin should make it desync less, if it doesn't then it's probably a bug
01:51 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> ok ill bite. what "old code" fixes dummy desync in copy?
01:52 <+bridge> <totar> I'm pretty sure there was a change that caused dummy desyncs to increase and I don't know if it ever got fixed
01:52 <+bridge> <totar> I wasn't paying much attention because I assumed someone else would handle it
01:52 <+bridge> <gorp_tw> i figure as long as it's 2 connections it will always have this problem
01:53 <+bridge> <totar> well
01:53 <+bridge> <totar> if you don't notice lag on your regular connection the dummy shouldn't desync
01:54 <+bridge> <totar> I've definitely played for like 20+ minute without desync on that one map
01:54 <+bridge> <totar> with the dummy copy fly mechanic
02:34 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> back to old ddnet
03:23 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I have a question. What's the character limit of the "game_type" that comes from the master server?
03:23 <+bridge> <drafakiller> 
03:23 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I was looking around and I thought it would be this line in [src/engine/shared
03:23 <+bridge> <drafakiller> /serverinfo.h](<https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/shared/serverinfo.h#L42>) but then there's "TestDDraceNetwork" and that's longer than 15 characters.
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I have a question. What's the character limit of the "game_type" that comes from the master server?
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> 
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I was looking around and I thought it would be this line in [src/engine/shared
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> /serverinfo.h](<https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/shared/serverinfo.h#L42>) or [src/engine
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> /serverbrowser.h](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/serverbrowser.h#L116) but then there's "TestDDraceNetwork" and that's longer than 15 characters.
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I have a question. What's the character limit of the "game_type" that comes from the master server?
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> 
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I was looking around and I thought it would be this line in [src/engine/shared
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> /serverinfo.h](<https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/shared/serverinfo.h#L42>) or [src/engine
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> /serverbrowser.h](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/serverbrowser.h#L116) but then there's "TestDDraceNetwork" and that's longer than 15 characters.
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I have a question. What's the character limit of the "game_type" that comes from the master server?
03:25 <+bridge> <drafakiller> 
03:26 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I was looking around and I thought it would be this line in [src/engine/shared
03:26 <+bridge> <drafakiller> /serverinfo.h](<https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/shared/serverinfo.h#L42>) or [src/engine
03:26 <+bridge> <drafakiller> /serverbrowser.h](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/serverbrowser.h#L116) but then there's "TestDDraceNetwork" and that's longer than 15 characters.
03:26 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I have a question. What's the character limit of the "game_type" that comes from the master server?
03:26 <+bridge> <drafakiller> 
03:26 <+bridge> <drafakiller> I was looking around and I thought it would be this line in [src/engine/shared/serverinfo.h](<https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/shared/serverinfo.h#L42>) or [src/engine/serverbrowser.h](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/1edf07325dfa93f91fe51ef64c9ffc5515fb4c23/src/engine/serverbrowser.h#L116) but then there's "TestDDraceNetwork" and that's longer than 15 characters.
03:26 <+bridge> <vappy19> Between 2 and 8
03:26 <+bridge> <vappy19> I think 16
03:27 <+bridge> <vappy19> MMORPGTeeworlds3.0
03:28 <+bridge> <drafakiller> Okay Vappy, okay. Go back to #off-topic now, it's okay.
03:29 <+bridge> <vappy19> ?
03:29 <+bridge> <vappy19> Im telling to u the answer idiot
03:29 <+bridge> <vappy19> 😂
03:30 <+bridge> <drafakiller> What does between 2 and 8 mean then? And how does 16 fit "TestDDraceNetwork" that is 17 characters?
03:30 <+bridge> <vappy19> I think there is no longer to this
03:31 <+bridge> <vappy19> This is a meme
03:32 <+bridge> <vappy19> I see, maybe is like name maps, there is a gores map with 64 characters i think
03:34 <+bridge> <drafakiller> It's okay Vappy, I will just wait for someone else to take a look at it.
03:34 <+bridge> <drafakiller> You can stand back for this one.
03:56 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> sv_gametype has a 32char buffer,
03:56 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> 
03:56 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> the one youre looking at truncates it in the server browser for displaying purposes it seems
03:57 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1478949439459819631/Screenshot_20260305-035652.png?ex=69aa427f&is=69a8f0ff&hm=ecbed5111a9494547408b7906448811423ac45f1918d0ecca5dcf666951ae022&
04:01 <+bridge> <drafakiller> Ah nice, thank you. ^^
04:03 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> parsing the master server?
04:03 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> 
04:03 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> There is a lib by I think Zwelf, Patiga or Heinrich somewhere libtw, twgame or ddnet-rs (not jupstars ddnet-rs)
04:03 <+bridge> <blaiszephyr> Written in rust tho, so take care 🦀
05:20 <+bridge> <heckerisprolegit4250> https://tenor.com/view/python-jmk-gif-22427188
05:30 <+bridge> <Communist> this emoji has been ruined by AI
12:30 <+bridge> <totar> I saw these comments and was like "wow this is exceptionally helpful for ddnet code, this has to be new". very good pr
12:30 <+bridge> <totar> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11735
12:50 <+bridge> <Assa> time is still magic, the smooth timer is magic, prediction is magic, how does everything not fall apart? idk
12:51 <+bridge> <totar> the smooth timer sucks actually
12:51 <+bridge> <totar> I think the one in ddnet-rs is much better
12:51 <+bridge> <totar> it's terrible at its job
12:52 <+bridge> <Assa> if you can rewrite it in a way, where I can understand what it does, I'll merge.
12:52 <+bridge> <Assa> but that's a hard task
12:52 <+bridge> <totar> I'm not sure I want to rewrite it at all
12:58 <+bridge> <Assa> just asked AI about it, it said it's a classical algorithm, that could be replaced by more modern approaches
13:00 <+bridge> <totar> "classical algorithm" is not a very objective concept
13:00 <+bridge> <totar> usually that just machines anything other than machine learning
13:00 <+bridge> <totar> usually that just means anything other than machine learning
13:01 <+bridge> <totar> unless it's suggesting we need quantom smooth timer
13:01 <+bridge> <totar> unless it's suggesting we need quantum smooth timer
13:01 <+bridge> <Assa> AI says, we could apply an Exponential Moving Average (EMA) instead of a linear interpolation and use a Kalman filter. I'd need to look into these concepts
13:01 <+bridge> <totar> yes that would work
13:02 <+bridge> <totar> the smooth timer has to balance giving the player as low of a prediction margin as possible with prevent packet loss, so it's actually subjective
13:02 <+bridge> <totar> the smooth timer has to balance giving the player as low of a prediction margin as possible with preventing input packet loss, so it's actually subjective
13:03 <+bridge> <totar> the shape of a users internet latency also varies widely, basically any pattern of latency/packet drops than you can imagine will exist for someone
13:04 <+bridge> <totar> some people might have a single delayed packet every 5 seconds, others might have bursts of delayed packets, even delays that go up and down on a cycle. literally nothing is out of the question, and somehow the smooth timer needs to pick the value that gives the player the best "experience"
13:05 <+bridge> <totar> jupsti spent a really long time working on this in ddnet-rs. so I would just steal that
13:05 <+bridge> <teero777> xddd
13:06 <+bridge> <Assa> just use the best smooth timer over realitites
13:07 <+bridge> <totar> time travel 500ms into the future to know exactly when their ping will spike and adjust before it happens
13:07 <+bridge> <Assa> but if we can time travel, we can directly fetch the package from the future before it's even send
13:07 <+bridge> <totar> woah
13:07 <+bridge> <teero777> nah that cant be added else it will be used to make bots predict when the player will fail to adjust inputs
13:08 <+bridge> <Assa> but then the future where the player failed never happened
13:08 <+bridge> <teero777> hmm
13:08 <+bridge> <totar> who needs client prediction, just time travel the duration of the latency so you know the snapshots at the exact ns the server creates them
13:08 <+bridge> <teero777> tater just solved latency lets gooo
13:09 <+bridge> <totar> it was assa's idea I can't take credit
13:09 <+bridge> <Assa> nice, just got a phone call from tomorrow with the lottery numbers
13:09 <+bridge> <teero777> instant communication over infinite distance
13:09 <+bridge> <teero777> i just got a phone call from yesterday, the government is calling
13:10 <+bridge> <trophiie> when is the pr #11490 "Time machine" getting merged?
13:10 <+bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/11490
13:10 <+bridge> <trophiie> gg it existed
13:11 <+bridge> <teero777> @totar go make a pr on april 1st
13:11 <+bridge> <totar> ?
13:11 <+bridge> <totar> for what
13:11 <+bridge> <teero777> time machine
13:11 <+bridge> <totar> aah
13:11 <+bridge> <trophiie> this
13:11 <+bridge> <trophiie> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479088992753291417/images.png?ex=69aac478&is=69a972f8&hm=ba2aaddfa288f7e796bce9ca107ebc4fea34abaf3e17abb469a86ce80e19ff06&
13:11 <+bridge> <teero777> XD
13:11 <+bridge> <teero777> delorean ascii art will predict packets
13:12 <+bridge> <trophiie> i think we would even allow ai generated code for that
13:12 <+bridge> <totar> april first I post patch notes with "merged galaxy client into tclient" only to just scare you
13:12 <+bridge> <teero777> :justatest:
13:12 <+bridge> <trophiie> "tclient now closed source"
13:12 <+bridge> <teero777> nobody would even notice
13:12 <+bridge> <totar> no, only you
13:12 <+bridge> <teero777> nobody is pressing the secret key combination
13:13 <+bridge> <totar> imagine I add all the settings but as soon as you use any of them it just closes the game xd
13:13 <+bridge> <teero777> xD
13:13 <+bridge> <teero777> none of the features are descriptive lmao
13:13 <+bridge> <teero777> like: "activate banana?"
13:13 <+bridge> <teero777> and then it closes the game? xD
13:14 <+bridge> <totar> it will crash with note that says "try downgrading your drivers"
13:15 <+bridge> <teero777> "Submitting to sound queue failed, try [downgrading your drivers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4WlUXrJgy4)"
13:48 <+bridge> <desolator4078> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479098366569742356/1.jpg?ex=69aacd32&is=69a97bb2&hm=0e7b11fc1d7064b0805b3102ce1809bbde023c6367176aaf72d7037bbc7fdb49&
13:48 <+bridge> <desolator4078> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479098367303876608/2.jpg?ex=69aacd33&is=69a97bb3&hm=ea827c3437b0b3749c461060e983cc58e1f678090f247bf07ba3ffddd14afbe4&
13:48 <+bridge> <desolator4078> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479098367932891136/3.jpg?ex=69aacd33&is=69a97bb3&hm=3b3cef02283e0fffa044dc53d7b3021df4d047fe550dd2c8f9f60e0f667a4892&
13:48 <+bridge> <desolator4078> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479098368482611301/4.jpg?ex=69aacd33&is=69a97bb3&hm=12d8817dd762435c8ffd7ff3811a4246470b224fea2a0a3495b9c7996e574ec3&
13:54 <+bridge> <Assa> the new smooth timer the AI implemented for me has a diff of 800 LOC 🙂
14:07 <+bridge> <avolicious> Downloading more ram
14:07 <+bridge> <avolicious> Hardware is too expensive, just download it
14:30 <+bridge> <Assa> look guys, I now wrote a PR to doxygen improving it, now I am a valuable member of society right?
14:30 <+bridge> <learath2> Always have been
16:19 <+bridge> <Assa> is there any way we can get the RTT from a packet and a connection?
16:39 <+bridge> <heinrich5991> didn't know that. interesting 🙂 looks like it's disabled by default for gdb though, probably due to lack of sandboxing?
16:39 <+bridge> <ryozuki> poggies
17:23 <+bridge> <Assa> :poggers2:
18:50 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> Learath, since you have already taken a look into #11752 and called it sane, could you maybe actually take another closet look before the upcoming release, please?
18:50 <+bridge> <DDNet> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/11752
18:50 <+bridge> <fokkonaut> Learath, since you have already taken a look into #11752 and called it sane, could you maybe actually take another closer look before the upcoming release, please?
22:50 <+bridge> <robyt3> It's definitely possible to save some space, but it's still truncated one some sizes
22:50 <+bridge> <robyt3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479234774332735518/screenshot_2026-03-05_22-44-17.png?ex=69ab4c3d&is=69a9fabd&hm=47a90bcc741559836a32e435ee0e33062895c573b5168d1fef8dccd8d75b63e2&
22:50 <+bridge> <robyt3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479234774814949517/screenshot_2026-03-05_22-44-27.png?ex=69ab4c3d&is=69a9fabd&hm=fd03850b6e3bbf8b6a01b5279746f417f6738cc2c64cb828da5cd1fbced632ca&
22:50 <+bridge> <robyt3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1479234775289171989/screenshot_2026-03-05_22-45-24.png?ex=69ab4c3d&is=69a9fabd&hm=b273552b7e8a3fd29c1317bee5a821ff6286e7e3205e55e9fc244555b9a01d84&
23:25 <+bridge> <learath2> That's not as pretty as I'd hoped 😄
23:25 <+bridge> <learath2> It needs some internal padding
23:28 <+bridge> <louis> can't we jus tmake it scrollable since we have cursor in tablist now
23:32 <+bridge> <aegisub> when are we getting a react native backend for ddnet