02:35 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> that's funny
02:35 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> This and many other issues could be fixed by rendering to an off-screen buffer but like
03:05 <+bridge_> <gorp> oh what I didnt even know that was how it worked xd
09:09 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> update day
09:09 <+bridge_> <ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1471055505870028810/j91kxd7.png?ex=698d8ab3&is=698c3933&hm=884311b4a71a3fa106d15de53196e5ea7814953f2a00176c05c13a5af8ca5515&
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> Not today :)
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> ```
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> byfox@byfox-x99e ~> yay
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Synchronizing package databases...
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  endeavouros                                                          13.8 KiB  20.2 KiB/s 00:01 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  core                                                                119.6 KiB   762 KiB/s 00:00 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  extra                                                                 7.9 MiB  9.01 MiB/s 00:01 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  multilib                                                            128.4 KiB   725 KiB/s 00:00 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Searching AUR for updates...
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Searching databases for updates...
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> Packages not in AUR: vi
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> Orphan (unmaintained) AUR Packages: nekoray-bin
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: github-copilot-cli  proton-ge-custom-bin  vulkan-amdgpu-pro  zoom
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> maliit-keyboard: local (2.3.1-4) is newer than AUR (2.3.1-3)
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> samrewritten: local (20250919.1-1) is newer than AUR (1.2.2-1)
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: 1 dependency will also be installed for this operation.
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox>    extra/llhttp   -> 9.2.1-2
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: 703 packages to upgrade/install.
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 703  endeavouros/downgrade                        11.5.5-1                    -> 11.8.0-1
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 702  endeavouros/endeavouros-mirrorlist           25.11.1-1                   -> 26-1
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 701  endeavouros/eos-bash-shared                  25.12.3-1                   -> 26.1.1-1
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 700  endeavouros/eos-rankmirrors                  25.11.4-1                   -> 26-1
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 699  endeavouros/eos-update                       25.12.3-1                   -> 26.1.3-1
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 698  endeavouros/welcome                          25.12.2-1                   -> 26-1
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> 697  core/archlinux-keyring                       20251116-1                  -> 20260206-1
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> ```
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> Not today :)
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> ```
09:13 <+bridge_> <byfox> byfox@byfox-x99e ~> yay
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Synchronizing package databases...
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  endeavouros                                                          13.8 KiB  20.2 KiB/s 00:01 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  core                                                                119.6 KiB   762 KiB/s 00:00 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  extra                                                                 7.9 MiB  9.01 MiB/s 00:01 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  multilib                                                            128.4 KiB   725 KiB/s 00:00 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Searching AUR for updates...
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Searching databases for updates...
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> Packages not in AUR: vi
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> Orphan (unmaintained) AUR Packages: nekoray-bin
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: github-copilot-cli  proton-ge-custom-bin  vulkan-amdgpu-pro  zoom
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> maliit-keyboard: local (2.3.1-4) is newer than AUR (2.3.1-3)
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  -> samrewritten: local (20250919.1-1) is newer than AUR (1.2.2-1)
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: 1 dependency will also be installed for this operation.
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>    extra/llhttp   -> 9.2.1-2
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> 
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: 703 packages to upgrade/install.
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> 703  endeavouros/downgrade                        11.5.5-1                    -> 11.8.0-1
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> 702  endeavouros/endeavouros-mirrorlist           25.11.1-1                   -> 26-1
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> 701  endeavouros/eos-bash-shared                  25.12.3-1                   -> 26.1.1-1
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> 700  endeavouros/eos-rankmirrors                  25.11.4-1                   -> 26-1
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> Not today :)
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> ```shell
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> byfox@byfox-x99e ~> yay
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Synchronizing package databases...
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  endeavouros                                                          13.8 KiB  20.2 KiB/s 00:01 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:14 <+bridge_> <byfox>  core                                                                119.6 KiB   762 KiB/s 00:00 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:15 <+bridge_> <byfox>  extra                                                                 7.9 MiB  9.01 MiB/s 00:01 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:15 <+bridge_> <byfox>  multilib                                                            128.4 KiB   725 KiB/s 00:00 [--------------------------------------------------------] 100%
09:15 <+bridge_> <byfox> :: Searching AUR for updates...
09:49 <+bridge_> <gorp> can someone like, actually sell me on gentoo
09:49 <+bridge_> <gorp> it was so hard to get anything to work when I tried
09:54 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> skill issue?
09:55 <+bridge_> <milkeeycat> i used gentoo for a year and then switched to debian xd
10:53 <+bridge_> <remakepower> huh
13:54 <+bridge_> <learath2> To be sold on gentoo you need to care about some things (and I'd say also have an interest in tinkering). First of all you need to care about keeping your installation "minimal", USE flags and how they allow you to pick and choose even features within software is gentoo's main strength
13:55 <+bridge_> <learath2> Second motivation that helps is at least a mild distaste of systemd, Gentoo has it's own first class init system, OpenRC
13:55 <+bridge_> <learath2> Second motivation that helps is at least a mild distaste of systemd, Gentoo has its own first class init system, OpenRC
13:59 <+bridge_> <learath2> The rest are more personal things, I like the epatch system that allows me to apply source patches to my packages. Eselect and the slot system are great for having more than one version of software. E.g. I keep multiple versions of java around
14:25 <+bridge_> <melon> i ran gentoo for a while, and even tho i enjoyed it very much, the maintenance and setup even after the initial one made me RQ.
14:25 <+bridge_> <melon> 
14:25 <+bridge_> <melon> espacially when trying to setup single GPU passthrough
14:25 <+bridge_> <melon> 
14:25 <+bridge_> <melon> but their Wiki is on the same level as the arch wiki, its amazing, and as Learath mentioned USE flags and OpenRC are a big win
14:27 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> I have a mild distaste of systemd in principle but in practice I'm kind of a fan
14:27 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> It has such handy features and doing basic management with it is so easy
14:28 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> Never really tried to do advanced things with it tho
14:28 <+bridge_> <inv41idu53rn4m3> GNU/Linux? More like SystemD/Linux
15:24 <+bridge_> <1voix1> Hello! Play sounds on tee change pos when window inactive is cheat or no? U can hear that already when someone hook or hammer u when snd_nonactive_mute 0 but maybe
15:25 <+bridge_> <teero777> definitely not a cheat xd
15:26 <+bridge_> <learath2> Hm, doesn't sound like it's a cheat, but you obviously had something in mind to think we might perceive it as a cheat, so I'm now curious
15:27 <+bridge_> <1voix1> just think like u can't do custom sound on tee move in default ddnet so i wanted to ask
15:28 <+bridge_> <1voix1> just thought like u can't do custom sound on tee move in default ddnet so i wanted to ask
15:28 <+bridge_> <teero777> there is already something similar for the editor. when someone moves you while you're in the editor you get notified.
15:29 <+bridge_> <teero777> i don't see how a sound could provide an advantage in gameplay, so it's not a cheat
15:30 <+bridge_> <1voix1> oh didn't know. anyway ty
15:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @learath2: it is a competitive advantage on idle pvp servers where you can stay afk in certain areas and gain something until someone else comes along and kills you
15:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> For that exact competitive advantage I added a feature into chillerbot-ux which sends you a notification when you are moved in game
15:54 <+bridge_> <melon> :Bro_What:
15:54 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I think nowerdays cactus and tater yoinked that too
15:55 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I never saw anyone complaining about that so it should be safe while it still technically is an advantage
15:55 <+bridge_> <remakepower> lol
15:56 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I actually no longer use this feature because alerts are annoying
15:56 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I instead made my terminal transparent so I see at all times what is happening in game in the background
15:56 <+bridge_> <remakepower> At least
15:57 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Because too many false positives and as soon as you move it’s mostly too late
15:57 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I think afk players shouldn't know anything except important mentions until they backed.
15:59 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @learath2: why does if city not have a community yet btw?
16:01 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Isn't it the server admin's thing?
16:01 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
16:02 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> What about the server admins that don’t care about ddnet
16:02 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Because their server existed long before DDNet existed
16:02 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I don't think we can add new community to the community list without their consent.
16:02 <+bridge_> <remakepower> How could we find a icon for it?
16:02 <+bridge_> <remakepower> if we design one
16:03 <+bridge_> <remakepower> we have no permission to do that
16:04 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Makes sense
16:04 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> But imo ddnet should approach them
16:05 <+bridge_> <remakepower> that makes sense if we could find a way to contact them.
16:05 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I as a ddnet client user have been at risk of getting credentials stolen because of if city fake servers and demand a verified badge
16:05 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> They have contact and it’s not hidden
16:05 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> It was discord last time I checked
16:05 <+bridge_> <swarfey> correct me if im wrong, but arent they p2w and therefore cant apply?
16:06 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> In general we are missing a few communities
16:06 <+bridge_> <swarfey> though id also like them to have a community even if they are p2w
16:06 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @swarfey: yea just had the same thought but that rule is bonkers isn’t it?
16:06 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> ZenBlock is also pay to win
16:07 <+bridge_> <remakepower> idk why we couldn't p2w, but we could accept selling clan.
16:07 <+bridge_> <swarfey> yeah every second teeworlds server is p2w
16:07 <+bridge_> <swarfey> to some extent
16:07 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Which is fine
16:07 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> So it’s a rule issue
16:08 <+bridge_> <swarfey> blockworlds too .. :D
16:08 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> The rules in general feel mostly bs
16:08 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I as a user want a community for all established servers
16:08 <+bridge_> <swarfey> those two are the only ones i can think of from the current community list though
16:08 <+bridge_> <swarfey> i agree
16:09 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Although they said it's a donation, they controll the clan system in their community. If you want to display your clan, you need to donate them first, and then you can create a clan.
16:09 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I have to say that's my first time to see the thing.
16:10 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @swarfey: what about the Russian community that renames weekly? They don’t sell stuff?
16:10 <+bridge_> <remakepower> We all know that's in RPG mod, you can create a clan by shopping  a ticket, which costs your gold/moeny in the game.
16:11 <+bridge_> <remakepower> And I have no words to say about donating to create a clan.
16:11 <+bridge_> <swarfey> im not sure if 0xf sells any p2w stuff
16:12 <+bridge_> <swarfey> they do sell vip, but i have no idea if its purely cosmetic or also gives access to weapons or anything
16:12 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Isn’t 0xf a mod
16:12 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I forgot who had the community
16:12 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Ah
16:12 <+bridge_> <swarfey> for me 0xf, russkyblock and whatever the other names were are all the same xd
16:13 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Wait selling cosmetics is legal?
16:13 <+bridge_> <swarfey> well i would think so
16:13 <+bridge_> <swarfey> why not
16:13 <+bridge_> <remakepower> so idk why donating to create a clan is acceptable in ddnet community rule.
16:14 <+bridge_> <swarfey> im not really in the picture in ifcity, does creating a clan give you any benefits other than seeing it in the tab?
16:14 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> There are plenty of off community 0xf servers
16:14 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> And non 0xf Russian community servers
16:15 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I did not mean ifcity, which is another community.
16:15 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Pretty sure donor has increased loot but idk
16:15 <+bridge_> <remakepower> But yeah
16:15 <+bridge_> <remakepower> It wouldn't give any benefits other than seeing it in the tab.
16:16 <+bridge_> <remakepower> But that's just like selling a thing that should be free.
16:17 <+bridge_> <remakepower> just be like selling air on the earth now.
16:17 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> Weird rule anyways
16:17 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @robyt3: what’s up with that rule
16:18 <+bridge_> <remakepower> if it could be acceptable
16:18 <+bridge_> <remakepower> then someone would ask their players to donate to get their nickname back
16:18 <+bridge_> <remakepower> lol
16:19 <+bridge_> <remakepower> and then we should "donate" for our chatting.
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> ```
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> Benefits
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> 💰 2x Cash and XP earned (works in conjunction with 2x Weekend Bonus)
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> ✨ Unique VIP Effect
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> 🔱 Free Rainbow, Heart Gun, and Lovely visual effects
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> 💵 In-game store costs reduced by 25%
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> 🛡️ Prefix selection (VIP|MVP|TOP|MLG|PRO)
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> 🏅 @⨯ V.I.P. Role (requires account linking)
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> 🚀 Priority for handling requests (requires account linking)
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> ```
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> 
16:20 <+bridge_> <byfox> xd
16:21 <+bridge_> <byfox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1471164061000400896/image.png?ex=698defcd&is=698c9e4d&hm=a24820ae2c26c4907a200a970351a4bb105ed9b844c84b1d2e15abf8c63095c6&
16:25 <+bridge_> <remakepower> I think we should add a new rule:
16:25 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ```
16:25 <+bridge_> <remakepower> d. The community shouldn’t receive money—whether through donations or payments—for anything that is free in vanilla teeworlds server.
16:25 <+bridge_> <remakepower> ```
16:26 <+bridge_> <remakepower> At least, we won't **donate** for walking under the current rule.
16:28 <+bridge_> <remakepower> the rule b and new rule d could solve a lots of issue. :3
16:31 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> @byfox: which server is that?
16:32 <+bridge_> <Assa> faking DHL, has now two crosses for me.
16:33 <+bridge_> <Assa> 1 stop away, but sending has been cancelled, because the driver reached overtime, so the package will come tomorrow. Ironically the package has been marked as "GoGreen" and "reduces co2" :pepeRage:  green my ass, greenwashing bullshit
16:37 <+bridge_> <remakepower> hm...
16:40 <+bridge_> <remakepower> what the hell?
16:40 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Why there's developer-vc??
16:41 <+bridge_> <remakepower> And it was created last year??
16:41 <+bridge_> <Assa> for the rare occasions that developers talk to each other
16:42 <+bridge_> <remakepower> Why I didn't see it last year
16:42 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
16:42 <+bridge_> <byfox> Teefusion xd
16:43 <+bridge_> <byfox> 0xf is just a mod, depending on what you meant by that, I immediately thought of Teefusion, although there is also unstable
17:19 <+ChillerDragon> should i see lag in pcap?
17:20 <+ChillerDragon> i need to find a way to proof to my internet provider that it is his fault i fail in gores
17:21 <+ChillerDragon> i tried to use python dpkt and tcpdump to measure the diff between packets i received from the server https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/sl
17:22 <+ChillerDragon> but i see no sus delays
17:22 <+ChillerDragon> but i teleport like 3 tiles in game
17:29 <+ChillerDragon> this pcap contains one lag spike https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/1u
17:30 <+ChillerDragon> that was clearly noticable in game but i see no spike in diffs how is this possible?
17:34 <+bridge_> <bencie> you need the dev role to see it, idk when you got it but could be that
17:34 <+bridge_> <remakepower> :thonk:
17:38 <+ChillerDragon> i see the spike in the prediction margin tho
17:38 <+ChillerDragon> https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/b52ad502-d940-4393-b978-2ed233ab2d1e
17:38 <+ChillerDragon> that is related to network lags right?
17:38 <+ChillerDragon> i just send prediction margin graph to provider ez
17:42 <+ChillerDragon> nah bro
17:42 <+ChillerDragon> that giant spike in the graph does not show up in the pcap at all how is that possible?
17:43 <+ChillerDragon> i had a diff to prev message of 0.04 for almost all server sent packets
17:43 <+ChillerDragon> and the highest spike is 0.05 which it reached twice and one time i felt a big lag
17:43 <+ChillerDragon> that makes no sense
17:44 <+ChillerDragon> wait twice is bs 
17:44 <+ChillerDragon> in that pcap are 6 occurences of 0.05 diff
17:44 <+ChillerDragon> and they are all spread through time
17:45 <+ChillerDragon> so far the only measurable metric of my perceived lag is the prediction margin smh
22:08 <+bridge_> <blazu da apol> hi, quick question
22:08 <+bridge_> <blazu da apol> 
22:08 <+bridge_> <blazu da apol> is 0xf OSS?
22:11 <+bridge_> <pluskz> I think it was but now it is not
22:13 <+bridge_> <blazu da apol> ohh
22:13 <+bridge_> <blazu da apol> al
22:13 <+bridge_> <blazu da apol> alr
22:29 <+bridge_> <teero777> did you?
22:46 <+bridge_> <chillerdragon> I thought it never was